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‘Nothing to Do With Climate Change’: Conservative Media and Trump Align

‘Nothing to Do With Climate Change’: Conservativ...
obsidian goyim hospital
  09/15/20
I’m on a sort of middle ground. I think climate change...
Flickering electric newt digit ratio
  09/15/20
I think the funny part is the idea that it’s the *cons...
razzle-dazzle buck-toothed mediation abode
  09/15/20
cr. what's funny is rush's skepticism about climate change q...
obsidian goyim hospital
  09/15/20
I’ve seen no one clearly explain to me how these fires...
Flickering electric newt digit ratio
  09/15/20
heat->fire. it's science, goy
obsidian goyim hospital
  09/15/20
holy shit
razzle-dazzle buck-toothed mediation abode
  09/15/20
...
navy heady shrine
  09/15/20
lmao
Bistre Stirring Fat Ankles Messiness
  09/15/20
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pungent principal's office
  09/15/20
The constant and obvious over play of everything is condesce...
Aphrodisiac Kitty Cat
  09/15/20
It's insane flame. The CC notion is that if the world get...
trip pea-brained pozpig
  09/15/20
People stressing CLIMATE CHANGE make it sound like small poc...
aromatic idiotic menage hominid
  09/15/20
That’s not middle ground
rebellious erotic chad locus
  09/15/20
Don’t Limbaugh types completely deny man-made climate ...
Flickering electric newt digit ratio
  09/15/20
“ conservative media stars dismiss climate change &mda...
Bistre Stirring Fat Ankles Messiness
  09/15/20
trump said pussy and must be defeated
obsidian goyim hospital
  09/16/20
All you have to do is look at a map and see the fires all st...
cobalt lodge
  09/15/20
Climate change doesn’t happen in Canada because they h...
Bistre Stirring Fat Ankles Messiness
  09/15/20
The most predictive factor of fires is summer droughts, whic...
navy heady shrine
  09/15/20
CC is probably as much of a cause/aggravtor as anything but ...
Dead Misanthropic Property Police Squad
  09/15/20
We Didn't Start the Fire as Trump's new campaign song.
Dead Misanthropic Property Police Squad
  09/15/20
"And Mr. Trump continues to play down environmental fac...
pungent principal's office
  09/15/20
Australia is basically mars
costumed depressive
  09/16/20
On average 4m to 11m acres burned per year in CA 100 years a...
marvelous olive chapel yarmulke
  09/15/20
I’m not taking sides in this debate, but this comment ...
canary hairraiser psychic piazza
  09/16/20
lol, drop
obsidian goyim hospital
  09/16/20
ok let me spell it out for you. large fires are expected due...
marvelous olive chapel yarmulke
  09/16/20
At least he’s not blaming racism (yet)
costumed depressive
  09/16/20


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Date: September 15th, 2020 7:14 PM
Author: obsidian goyim hospital

‘Nothing to Do With Climate Change’: Conservative Media and Trump Align

Rush Limbaugh and Tucker Carlson dismiss scientists’ determination that climate change is a key culprit in West Coast wildfires.

Rush Limbaugh told millions of his radio listeners to set aside any suggestion that climate change was the culprit for the frightening spate of wildfires ravaging California and the Pacific Northwest.

“Man-made global warming is not a scientific certainty; it cannot be proven, nor has it ever been,” Mr. Limbaugh declared on his Friday show, disregarding the mountains of empirical evidence to the contrary. He then pivoted to a popular right-wing talking point: that policies meant to curtail climate change are, in fact, an assault on freedom.

“Environmentalist wackos” — Mr. Limbaugh’s phrase — “want man to be responsible for it because they want to control your behavior,” the conservative host said on the show. He added that they “want to convince you that your lifestyle choices are the reason why all these fires are firing up out on the Left Coast.”

Hours later, that message leapt to prime time on Fox News, where the host Tucker Carlson said those who blamed climate change for the fires were merely reciting “a partisan talking point.”

“In the hands of Democratic politicians, climate change is like systemic racism in the sky,” Mr. Carlson told viewers. “You can’t see it, but rest assured, it’s everywhere, and it’s deadly. And like systemic racism, it is your fault.”

Mr. Limbaugh and Mr. Carlson are two of the most prominent commentators in the right-wing media sphere, where a rich history of climate denialism has merged with Trump-era cultural warfare to generate a deep skepticism of the notion that climate change is a factor in the fires devastating the West Coast.

Like President Trump, conservative media stars dismiss climate change — which scientists say is the primary cause of the conflagration — and point to the poor management of forestland by local (and, conveniently, Democratic) officials. Fringe right-wing websites, like The Gateway Pundit, have blamed left-wing arsonists, fueling false rumors that authorities say are impeding rescue efforts.

Visiting California on Monday to witness the destruction firsthand, Mr. Trump took Western states to task for failing to manage the forests properly. During a meeting with California officials who pushed him to acknowledge the role of climate change in the wildfires, the president said: “It’ll start getting cooler. You just watch.”

“I wish science agreed with you,” Wade Crowfoot, California’s secretary for natural resources, replied.

“Well, I don’t think science knows, actually,” Mr. Trump retorted.

The president’s comments were likely to resonate with fans of the conservative media personalities who routinely defend his agenda.

“This has nothing to do with climate change, it has nothing to do with man-made climate change, and it sure as hell would help if these forests in these timber areas were free to be properly managed, but they’re not,” Mark Levin, another popular right-wing radio host, said on his nationally syndicated show on Friday.

ImageConservative media stars like Rush Limbaugh dismiss climate change.

Conservative media stars like Rush Limbaugh dismiss climate change.Credit...Leah Millis/Reuters

Like Mr. Carlson, Mr. Levin drew a link between climate advocacy and recent demonstrations for racial justice, suggesting that both causes — widely associated with liberals — offered a cloak for more sinister intentions.

“They want to talk man-made climate change because, out of this, they want to control you,” Mr. Levin said. “It’s just like the race stuff — ‘systemically racist’ — well, what do you want to do about it? Control you. Beat you down. You need to change your lifestyle, need to confess to something.”

Some right-wing writers see even darker origins in the outbreak of a lethal blaze.

The Gateway Pundit, a conspiracy website with a healthy online following — its chief writer, Jim Hoft, was welcomed to the White House by Mr. Trump — published posts asserting that left-wing anarchists were to blame, not the environment.

“Many arsonists have already been arrested in Oregon, Washington and California, but the Democrats continue to blame the wildfires on climate change,” a Gateway Pundit story said on Monday, alongside a video purportedly showing a woman in Oregon confronting an arsonist on her property. The site claimed that mainstream news outlets were ignoring this story because “it goes against their global warming and anti-gun narrative.”

A man in Oregon was charged last week with starting the destructive Almeda Fire in a small town that was under orders to evacuate. But the authorities say rising temperatures are a predominant cause of this year’s outbreak.

Wildfires in the West ›

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Sept. 15, 2020, 5:55 p.m. ET

On the West Coast, leaders plead for ‘all the help we can get.’

Lighter winds are forecast in California and Oregon, which should aid firefighters.

‘Everything of ours burned.’ A ride through Phoenix, Ore., reveals the destruction.

For the president’s political supporters, the notion that rogue firestarters are causing havoc is an enticing echo of a key message adopted by Mr. Trump and Republican in the presidential race: that regions of the country have been consumed by left-wing violence.

And Mr. Trump continues to play down environmental factors. Asked on Tuesday’s “Fox & Friends” about his policy plans for fighting climate change, the president replied: “You have forests all over the world. You don’t have fires like you do in California.”

Californians have been debating how to reduce the risk of deadly blazes, with some officials arguing for more controlled burns. An August news release from the office of Gavin Newsom, the California governor, noted that the state’s forests were “highly vulnerable to catastrophic wildfire and in need of active, science-based management,” in part because of hotter and drier conditions created by climate change.

Mr. Newsom has called for the federal government to play a more active role in managing the state’s forests. About 58 percent of California forestland is controlled by the federal government; the state owns 3 percent.

For environmental advocacy groups, problematic media coverage of the wildfires is not limited to platforms associated with the right.

The Environmental Defense Fund, in a scathing post, said many mainstream news outlets had failed to draw a direct link between the widespread destruction and the dangerous consequences of a changing climate.

“It is like talking about the increased spread of Covid while ignoring the reason it is spreading,” the group wrote.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625250&forum_id=2#40925654)



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Date: September 15th, 2020 7:17 PM
Author: Flickering electric newt digit ratio

I’m on a sort of middle ground. I think climate change is real and may at least in part be human influenced, but saying *these* fires were caused by “climate change” is PURE FLAME and makes the left look cravenly partisan and ridiculous.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625250&forum_id=2#40925666)



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Date: September 15th, 2020 7:19 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle buck-toothed mediation abode

I think the funny part is the idea that it’s the *conservative* media who are coalescing around a pre approved narrative wrt the fires.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625250&forum_id=2#40925673)



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Date: September 15th, 2020 7:19 PM
Author: obsidian goyim hospital

cr. what's funny is rush's skepticism about climate change quoted in the article IS objectionable but the NYT immediately follows that by overreaching and saying WITHOUT EVIDENCE that climate change is a "predominant" cause of the fires??

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625250&forum_id=2#40925676)



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Date: September 15th, 2020 7:24 PM
Author: Flickering electric newt digit ratio

I’ve seen no one clearly explain to me how these fires were caused by “climate change” and not some other more identifiable cause. Where’s the “fact checking” on this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625250&forum_id=2#40925704)



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Date: September 15th, 2020 7:26 PM
Author: obsidian goyim hospital

heat->fire. it's science, goy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625250&forum_id=2#40925716)



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Date: September 15th, 2020 10:18 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle buck-toothed mediation abode

holy shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625250&forum_id=2#40926652)



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Date: September 15th, 2020 10:48 PM
Author: navy heady shrine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625250&forum_id=2#40926782)



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Date: September 15th, 2020 11:07 PM
Author: Bistre Stirring Fat Ankles Messiness

lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625250&forum_id=2#40926877)



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Date: September 15th, 2020 11:14 PM
Author: pungent principal's office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625250&forum_id=2#40926915)



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Date: September 15th, 2020 7:19 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac Kitty Cat

The constant and obvious over play of everything is condescending. They don't think people are smart enough to be properly alarmed. And now it's become a pillar of the religion. Really an awful coupling.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625250&forum_id=2#40925678)



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Date: September 15th, 2020 7:22 PM
Author: trip pea-brained pozpig

It's insane flame.

The CC notion is that if the world gets hotter then the land gets drier, the dry season might (or might not) extend, and less water soaks into the soil. From that, fires might get more extreme at some point.

There is no evidence that that's happened in California. The state had a bumper crop of rain two years ago and is not super dry.

On the other hand, the state has suppressed wildfires for 100 years and has a catastrophic amount of dead wood and detritus lying around. Ungodly amounts of it. That's what causes the super hot fires.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625250&forum_id=2#40925690)



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Date: September 15th, 2020 7:24 PM
Author: aromatic idiotic menage hominid

People stressing CLIMATE CHANGE make it sound like small pockets of the west coast are spontaneously becoming so hot that they ignite the forest on fire.

They completely forget about Smokey the Bear and PG&E.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625250&forum_id=2#40925705)



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Date: September 15th, 2020 7:30 PM
Author: rebellious erotic chad locus

That’s not middle ground

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625250&forum_id=2#40925746)



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Date: September 15th, 2020 7:33 PM
Author: Flickering electric newt digit ratio

Don’t Limbaugh types completely deny man-made climate change?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625250&forum_id=2#40925779)



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Date: September 15th, 2020 11:06 PM
Author: Bistre Stirring Fat Ankles Messiness

“ conservative media stars dismiss climate change — which scientists say is the primary cause of the conflagration — and point to the poor management of forestland by local (and, conveniently, Democratic) officials. Fringe right-wing websites, like The Gateway Pundit, have blamed left-wing arsonists, fueling false rumors that authorities say are impeding rescue efforts.”

Bullshit to all of that. No respectable scientist would say that. Some dude with a campfire and a forest that hasn’t been thinned in decades are the “primary cause[s] of the conflagration”.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625250&forum_id=2#40926871)



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Date: September 16th, 2020 5:58 AM
Author: obsidian goyim hospital

trump said pussy and must be defeated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625250&forum_id=2#40927816)



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Date: September 15th, 2020 10:20 PM
Author: cobalt lodge

All you have to do is look at a map and see the fires all stop shortly after the Canadian border.

It very clearly isn’t climate change related. The fires very clearly are related to extremely poor controlled burns and forest management skills

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625250&forum_id=2#40926672)



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Date: September 15th, 2020 11:09 PM
Author: Bistre Stirring Fat Ankles Messiness

Climate change doesn’t happen in Canada because they have a brave young hot leftist PM named JUSTIN.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625250&forum_id=2#40926892)



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Date: September 15th, 2020 10:35 PM
Author: navy heady shrine

The most predictive factor of fires is summer droughts, which cc contributes to marginally

I saw a paper that said maybe 30% of the variability in droughts was explained by variation in cc, but this was from a model not observations so should be taken w/ huge grain of salt

It's retarded to say "climate change" is the cause - when you have:

https://www.propublica.org/article/they-know-how-to-prevent-megafires-why-wont-anybody-listen

"Academics believe that between 4.4 million and 11.8 million acres burned each year in prehistoric California. Between 1982 and 1998, California’s agency land managers burned, on average, about 30,000 acres a year. Between 1999 and 2017, that number dropped to an annual 13,000 acres. The state passed a few new laws in 2018 designed to facilitate more intentional burning. But few are optimistic this, alone, will lead to significant change. We live with a deathly backlog. In February 2020, Nature Sustainability published this terrifying conclusion: California would need to burn 20 million acres — an area about the size of Maine — to restabilize in terms of fire."

Ie - how do you blame "climate change" when prehistoric California had 5-10 million acres burning each year, and right now they're at ~15k??? At MOST you could say - cc incrementally pushed us over a threshold that exposed massive mismanagement of the forestry, by exposing our incompetent forest management marginally sooner than would've otherwise happened....



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625250&forum_id=2#40926738)



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Date: September 15th, 2020 11:05 PM
Author: Dead Misanthropic Property Police Squad

CC is probably as much of a cause/aggravtor as anything but is certainly not the cause.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625250&forum_id=2#40926862)



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Date: September 15th, 2020 11:03 PM
Author: Dead Misanthropic Property Police Squad

We Didn't Start the Fire as Trump's new campaign song.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625250&forum_id=2#40926853)



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Date: September 15th, 2020 11:12 PM
Author: pungent principal's office

"And Mr. Trump continues to play down environmental factors. Asked on Tuesday’s “Fox & Friends” about his policy plans for fighting climate change, the president replied: “You have forests all over the world. You don’t have fires like you do in California.”"

This seems somewhat compelling on its face, but it is undermined by the fires in Australia.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625250&forum_id=2#40926906)



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Date: September 16th, 2020 5:55 PM
Author: costumed depressive

Australia is basically mars

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625250&forum_id=2#40931137)



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Date: September 15th, 2020 11:15 PM
Author: marvelous olive chapel yarmulke

On average 4m to 11m acres burned per year in CA 100 years ago. Much more than this year..so what caused those fires then?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625250&forum_id=2#40926920)



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Date: September 16th, 2020 7:08 AM
Author: canary hairraiser psychic piazza

I’m not taking sides in this debate, but this comment made me lol. I doubt they were able to drop fires from spreading as well as we can now what with helicopters flying around spraying water and the like. Have to think that when a fire started (and I don’t think anyone has suggested that forest fires didn’t exist at all prior to climate change) they did a lot more damage because we didn’t have the ability to effectively stop/contain them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625250&forum_id=2#40927894)



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Date: September 16th, 2020 7:10 AM
Author: obsidian goyim hospital

lol, drop

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625250&forum_id=2#40927898)



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Date: September 16th, 2020 5:48 PM
Author: marvelous olive chapel yarmulke

ok let me spell it out for you. large fires are expected due to califonia's geographic location, landscape and climate. so these fires happened before climate change even if you accept libs argument 100% about climate change

so blaming climate change for CA fires is silly. in fact the number one cause is mismanagement by CA NIMBYs. CA has 3x the fuel load than 100 years ago despite smaller forest area

so why is newsom blaming climate change?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625250&forum_id=2#40931091)



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Date: September 16th, 2020 5:56 PM
Author: costumed depressive

At least he’s not blaming racism (yet)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625250&forum_id=2#40931141)