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Vox: Beethoven's 5th is racist --- link or no link?

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holy shit, not flame!
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GOAT performance of the GOAT piece: https://m.youtube.com/wa...
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gardner's "authentic" shtick (period instruments, ...
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I dont know about any of that but this version is fantastic
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damn this is nice
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all women shall be gagged by officers duly licensed for the ...
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How does an expectation of dressing nicely and being quiet p...
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Lol, you might as well just come out and say "all lives...
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Don't these guys know that Beethoven was black? https://w...
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LMAO this is good stuff
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The more Taibbi I read the more I learn.
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Date: September 16th, 2020 8:50 AM
Author: ....,.,.,.,;,.,;,,,,,,,,,;,;:.:.,,,.


https://www.vox.com/switched-on-pop/21437085/beethoven-5th-symphony-elitist-classism-switched-on-pop

To many, Beethoven’s most famous work is a symbol of exclusion and elitism in classical music.

By Nate Sloan and Charlie Harding Updated Sep 15, 2020, 9:01pm EDT

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Three elitist classical music fans wear monocles and fancy dress while thought bubbles above their heads show what’s not allowed in a concert hall, including casual clothing or cheering from audience members.

Iris Gottlieb

Beethoven’s Fifth Symphony starts with an anguished opening theme — dun dun dun DUNNNN — and ends with a glorious, major-key melody. Since its 1808 premiere, audiences have interpreted that progression from struggle to victory as a metaphor for Beethoven’s personal resilience in the face of his oncoming deafness.

Or rather, that’s long been the popular read among wealthy white men who embraced Beethoven and turned his symphony into a symbol of their superiority and importance. For others — women, LGBTQ+ people, people of color — Beethoven’s symphony may be predominantly a reminder of classical music’s history of exclusion and elitism. One New York City classical music fan wrote in the 1840s, for example, that he wished that “all women shall be gagged by officers duly licensed for the purpose before they’re allowed to enter a concert room.”

Today, some aspects of classical culture are still about policing who’s in and who’s out, and much of it started with Beethoven’s Fifth. When you walk into a standard concert hall, there’s an established set of conventions and etiquette (“don’t cough!”; “don’t cheer!”; “dress appropriately!”) that’s more about demonstrating belonging than appreciating the music.

How did we get here? In the third episode of our four-part series The 5th, a collaboration between Vox’s Switched on Pop and the New York Philharmonic that breaks down the music and meaning of this inescapable work of music, we ask how Beethoven’s symphony was transformed from a symbol of triumph and freedom into a symbol of exclusion, elitism, and gatekeeping — everything we love to hate about classical music today. How did the meaning of this symphony get so twisted?

For classical music critic James Bennett II, Beethoven’s popularity and centrality in classical culture is part of the problem. “As you perpetuate the idea that the giants of the music all look the same, it conveys to the other that there’s not a stake in that music for them,” he says.

New York Philharmonic clarinetist Anthony McGill, one of the few Black musicians in the ensemble, agrees that Beethoven’s inescapability makes classical music appear monolithic and stifling. He likens the inescapability of the Fifth Symphony to a “wall” between classical music and new, diverse audiences.

“If you pretend like there’s no other music out there, that Beethoven is the greatest music that ever will matter,” says McGill, then orchestras will alienate new listeners, since “we’re not promoting any of the composers alive today that are trying to become the Beethovens of their day.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625574&forum_id=2#40928090)



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Date: September 16th, 2020 8:51 AM
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Date: September 16th, 2020 8:59 AM
Author: 37 anonymous sources confirm

holy shit, not flame!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625574&forum_id=2#40928123)



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Date: September 16th, 2020 8:55 AM
Author: .,,...,..,.,.,..,,:,...,::,...,:,.,.:..:.,:.::,,.,


GOAT performance of the GOAT piece: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lNtb-ly1I_k

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625574&forum_id=2#40928108)



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Date: September 16th, 2020 9:06 AM
Author: '''''''''''''''''''"'

gardner's "authentic" shtick (period instruments, superfast tempo) is an acquired taste

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625574&forum_id=2#40928164)



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Date: September 16th, 2020 9:39 AM
Author: ^^<--ears (My name is Joe and I approve these fires and riots )

I dont know about any of that but this version is fantastic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625574&forum_id=2#40928332)



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Date: September 16th, 2020 9:18 AM
Author: penis://

damn this is nice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625574&forum_id=2#40928221)



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Date: September 16th, 2020 9:05 AM
Author: Wilbur999 (Krugerrand)

all women shall be gagged by officers duly licensed for the purpose before they’re allowed to enter a concert room.

Based. Also guarantee this guy was a flit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625574&forum_id=2#40928153)



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Date: September 16th, 2020 9:14 AM
Author: hung stud

How does an expectation of dressing nicely and being quiet prevent anyone from attending a classical performance? Or you can just listen to every classical piece ever made, for free, from the comfort of ur home.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625574&forum_id=2#40928200)



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Date: September 16th, 2020 9:36 AM
Author: Buck "The Club" Paulette

Lol, you might as well just come out and say "all lives matter," you racist.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625574&forum_id=2#40928322)



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Date: September 16th, 2020 9:45 AM
Author: ominous gulp (Poasts are exclusively artistic expression)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625574&forum_id=2#40928366)



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Date: September 16th, 2020 9:56 AM
Author: violence interrupter



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Date: September 16th, 2020 9:57 AM
Author: Niggers



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Date: September 16th, 2020 10:00 AM
Author: cosmic freak



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Date: September 16th, 2020 9:19 AM
Author: '"'""'"'''"''"



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Date: September 16th, 2020 9:53 AM
Author: Niggers



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Date: September 16th, 2020 10:05 AM
Author: cosmic freak

https://youtu.be/_RU3IX5yy28

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625574&forum_id=2#40928443)



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Date: September 16th, 2020 9:19 AM
Author: Buck "The Club" Paulette

Don't these guys know that Beethoven was black?

https://www.blackhistory.com/2018/06/ludwig-van-beethoven-classical-musician-was-black-man-mother-moor.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625574&forum_id=2#40928228)



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Date: September 16th, 2020 9:40 AM
Author: from rigor to vigor

LMAO this is good stuff

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625574&forum_id=2#40928340)



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Date: September 16th, 2020 9:56 AM
Author: Dickey Simpkins

The more Taibbi I read the more I learn.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625574&forum_id=2#40928402)



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Date: September 16th, 2020 10:07 AM
Author: violence interrupter

it's just so wearying and predictable. There are thousands of articles with this exact same premise: [Famous well-loved thing] is ACTUALLY problematic and racist! (click here to see why!)

Make up some half-retarded justification and get a couple quotes from someone, somewhere, and bam! you've got a publishable article that's guaranteed to make the twitter rounds. It takes no effort, no thought, and they don't even *really* believe what they're writing. But this is precisely the kind of "content" that the modern media demands

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625574&forum_id=2#40928452)