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Just took the Heat +300 to win the series.

Put $5k on it. $13,500 if I hit.
Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested
  09/30/20
As a kobe fan whats your venmo/cashapp ill send you $69
purple boyish property
  09/30/20
Shouldn’t it be $15K (in addition to your $5K) wager i...
Razzle-dazzle Haunting Stag Film Hominid
  09/30/20
Vig
Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested
  09/30/20
What are you talking about? The vig is baked into the odds.
Ivory Razzmatazz Private Investor
  09/30/20
Not with your local bookie. That's online shit bro.
Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested
  09/30/20
What kind of back room of Nick's Roast Beef shit is this?
Ivory Razzmatazz Private Investor
  09/30/20
It's just easier dude. 10% comes off the top of all wins. Ju...
Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested
  09/30/20
Yeah, if you are taking a spread, standard vig is both teams...
Ivory Razzmatazz Private Investor
  09/30/20
lol
turquoise institution tank
  09/30/20
Why don’t you just drive to AC and make the bet.
Razzle-dazzle Haunting Stag Film Hominid
  09/30/20
I actually have to give AC money first.
Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested
  09/30/20
You have the cash though. Saving that vig over the long ter...
Razzle-dazzle Haunting Stag Film Hominid
  09/30/20
AC takes a vig bro.
Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested
  09/30/20
But it’s built into the odds. If heat were +300 they&...
Razzle-dazzle Haunting Stag Film Hominid
  09/30/20
Right. I actually don't know the odds AC and Vegas are offer...
Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested
  09/30/20
+320 here, although seems a lot of people are betting on hea...
garnet sticky codepig
  09/30/20
You’re a big gambler and not a prole. You don’t ...
Razzle-dazzle Haunting Stag Film Hominid
  09/30/20
I believe the books in AC would probably send a limo for Rud...
pale beta lay
  10/07/20
Lol at xo noobs - that's why bookies are still in business e...
lascivious base
  09/30/20
...
Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested
  09/30/20
I think you can just drive over the bridge and place the bet...
garnet sticky codepig
  09/30/20
...
Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested
  09/30/20
UNLIKELY, but we shall see
Irradiated Wagecucks
  09/30/20
Would be 180 for Lebron to lose in the finals yet again. ...
vermilion party of the first part deer antler
  09/30/20
of course they will.
Rose travel guidebook
  09/30/20
This is actually a pretty smart bet for Rudolph. I don't th...
Trip ebony main people
  09/30/20
the odds are literally putting them at 1 or 2 games against ...
Rose travel guidebook
  09/30/20
Jimmy Butler is going to WILL this team to a championship
Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested
  09/30/20
i think lebron will be too lazy to put himself out there whi...
Rose travel guidebook
  09/30/20
Shrewd but Anthony Davis is going to run roughshod on the he...
Talented Aqua Ladyboy Sandwich
  09/30/20
Miami's secondary players are so superior after Lebron and D...
Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested
  09/30/20
...
turquoise institution tank
  09/30/20
took this last week at better odds but only 2k protip: be...
turquoise institution tank
  09/30/20
...
Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested
  09/30/20
...
Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested
  09/30/20
...
Talented Aqua Ladyboy Sandwich
  09/30/20
Can you deduct gambling losses on your taxes?
stirring lodge mediation
  09/30/20
Only to offset winnings
Claret boistinker
  09/30/20
When Rudolph winnings?
stirring lodge mediation
  09/30/20
...
appetizing amber indian lodge
  09/30/20
Not a tax lawyer (and not a professional gambler), but my un...
lascivious base
  09/30/20
...
Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested
  09/30/20
Also I believe you cannot carry the losses forward
godawful nowag area
  10/07/20
Bro, it's for the series. Not 1 game.
Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested
  09/30/20
:)
stirring lodge mediation
  09/30/20
Not a tax expert, but my understanding is that you can only ...
Ivory Razzmatazz Private Investor
  09/30/20
...
Claret boistinker
  09/30/20
Typical Rudolph
poppy address
  09/30/20
got the Lakers -4.5 at -105
lascivious base
  09/30/20
I feel like you might be getting "value" but what'...
multi-colored ultramarine dilemma
  09/30/20
Nothing. It was 1 game. I'm not panicking yet, but Jimmy ...
Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested
  09/30/20
...
stirring lodge mediation
  10/02/20
Are the Heat going to pull this off?
stirring lodge mediation
  10/04/20
YNY!
Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested
  10/04/20
wow
appetizing amber indian lodge
  10/04/20
HERE WE GO!!!!
Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested
  10/04/20
...
turquoise institution tank
  10/06/20
Poast your slip.
exhilarant lilac market faggotry
  10/06/20
...
stirring lodge mediation
  10/06/20
I hope you’re right. Not because I care about your dum...
godawful nowag area
  10/06/20
Cr There’sa rumors that he’s MJs illegitimate...
turquoise institution tank
  10/07/20
...
Greedy infuriating macaca point
  10/07/20
+2300 now. op time to double down
Very tactful halford background story
  10/07/20
the difference in psychology is interesting with people who ...
multi-colored ultramarine dilemma
  10/07/20
He’s got a chance, fellas
stirring lodge mediation
  10/10/20
I would've liked to see the line for game 7 but too bad
multi-colored ultramarine dilemma
  10/11/20
I actually got out of the bet after the Heat won game 5.
Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested
  10/11/20
guess the line for game 7 lakers still favored by a lot?
multi-colored ultramarine dilemma
  10/11/20
sure you did, loser.
godawful nowag area
  10/12/20
...
big sinister bawdyhouse affirmative action
  10/12/20
For a gain or loss?
poppy address
  10/12/20
He let me buy out for $1,000. So, I saved $4,000.
Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested
  10/12/20
...
stirring lodge mediation
  10/11/20


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Date: September 30th, 2020 10:23 AM
Author: Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested

Put $5k on it. $13,500 if I hit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41017485)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 10:27 AM
Author: purple boyish property

As a kobe fan whats your venmo/cashapp ill send you $69

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41017500)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 10:28 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Haunting Stag Film Hominid

Shouldn’t it be $15K (in addition to your $5K) wager if you hit?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41017508)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 10:29 AM
Author: Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested

Vig

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41017521)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 1:17 PM
Author: Ivory Razzmatazz Private Investor

What are you talking about? The vig is baked into the odds.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41018687)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 1:19 PM
Author: Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested

Not with your local bookie. That's online shit bro.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41018699)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 1:22 PM
Author: Ivory Razzmatazz Private Investor

What kind of back room of Nick's Roast Beef shit is this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41018729)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 1:24 PM
Author: Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested

It's just easier dude. 10% comes off the top of all wins. Just like if you took team X -3 against team Y.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41018746)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 1:27 PM
Author: Ivory Razzmatazz Private Investor

Yeah, if you are taking a spread, standard vig is both teams at -110.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41018773)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 2:03 PM
Author: turquoise institution tank

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41019003)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 1:30 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Haunting Stag Film Hominid

Why don’t you just drive to AC and make the bet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41018796)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 1:31 PM
Author: Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested

I actually have to give AC money first.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41018801)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 1:34 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Haunting Stag Film Hominid

You have the cash though. Saving that vig over the long term would make a nice difference

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41018824)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 1:38 PM
Author: Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested

AC takes a vig bro.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41018848)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 1:41 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Haunting Stag Film Hominid

But it’s built into the odds. If heat were +300 they’d give you $15000 winnings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41018866)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 1:45 PM
Author: Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested

Right. I actually don't know the odds AC and Vegas are offering. My guy isn't always on point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41018890)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 1:56 PM
Author: garnet sticky codepig

+320 here, although seems a lot of people are betting on heat.

https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/29994969/los-angeles-lakers-heavy-favorites-win-nba-finals-miami-heat-drawing-early-action

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41018955)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 2:07 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Haunting Stag Film Hominid

You’re a big gambler and not a prole. You don’t need to be paying big time vig to Paulie Walnuts unless the drive to NJ is extremely inconvenient.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41019038)



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Date: October 7th, 2020 8:49 AM
Author: pale beta lay

I believe the books in AC would probably send a limo for Rudolph

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41063876)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:25 PM
Author: lascivious base

Lol at xo noobs - that's why bookies are still in business even in states with legalized sports betting. You can call your guy and tell him to put a dime on the Lakers to cover, but if you want to do the same at Will Hill or FanDuel or whatever, you gotta front the cash.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41022569)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:27 PM
Author: Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41022576)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 1:54 PM
Author: garnet sticky codepig

I think you can just drive over the bridge and place the bet online now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41018940)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 1:10 PM
Author: Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41018638)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 1:16 PM
Author: Irradiated Wagecucks

UNLIKELY, but we shall see

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41018683)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 1:20 PM
Author: vermilion party of the first part deer antler

Would be 180 for Lebron to lose in the finals yet again.

As a Knicks fan (or at least as a former Knicks fan) I hope the NBA goes on strike again.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41018711)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 1:26 PM
Author: Rose travel guidebook

of course they will.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41018756)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 1:28 PM
Author: Trip ebony main people

This is actually a pretty smart bet for Rudolph. I don't think the Heat are going to win but their odds are better than most people seem to be giving them credit for.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41018781)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 1:38 PM
Author: Rose travel guidebook

the odds are literally putting them at 1 or 2 games against LA's 4. it's a smart bet because the heat are so expected to get their holds blown the fuck out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41018851)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 1:40 PM
Author: Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested

Jimmy Butler is going to WILL this team to a championship

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41018860)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 1:41 PM
Author: Rose travel guidebook

i think lebron will be too lazy to put himself out there which is what is needed to beat the heat. he's scared of hitting the hardwood these days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41018873)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 1:46 PM
Author: Talented Aqua Ladyboy Sandwich

Shrewd but Anthony Davis is going to run roughshod on the heat’s front line. Bam adebayo is getting too much credit for abusing Daniel theis last series

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41018894)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 1:47 PM
Author: Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested

Miami's secondary players are so superior after Lebron and Davis, I actually like this play a lot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41018906)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 2:09 PM
Author: turquoise institution tank



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41019051)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 2:03 PM
Author: turquoise institution tank

took this last week at better odds but only 2k

protip: best finals bets are for mvp, bam and butler are good picks here at the lines today

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41019000)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 8:17 PM
Author: Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41021380)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 9:28 PM
Author: Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41021721)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 10:15 PM
Author: Talented Aqua Ladyboy Sandwich



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41022084)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 10:57 PM
Author: stirring lodge mediation

Can you deduct gambling losses on your taxes?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41022400)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 10:58 PM
Author: Claret boistinker

Only to offset winnings

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41022407)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:05 PM
Author: stirring lodge mediation

When Rudolph winnings?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41022452)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:37 PM
Author: appetizing amber indian lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41022630)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:22 PM
Author: lascivious base

Not a tax lawyer (and not a professional gambler), but my understanding is that if you keep meticulous records, you can deduct your losses from your winnings. But as a practical matter, this only comes into play if you're getting W2-Gs at casinos and the like. Obv, wins and losses with your guy are all under the table.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41022549)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:29 PM
Author: Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41022586)



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Date: October 7th, 2020 9:16 AM
Author: godawful nowag area

Also I believe you cannot carry the losses forward

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41063985)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:28 PM
Author: Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested

Bro, it's for the series. Not 1 game.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41022582)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:40 PM
Author: stirring lodge mediation

:)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41022644)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:48 PM
Author: Ivory Razzmatazz Private Investor

Not a tax expert, but my understanding is that you can only do so to the extent you itemize deductions, which almost no one does.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41022695)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 10:58 PM
Author: Claret boistinker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41022403)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:09 PM
Author: poppy address

Typical Rudolph

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41022478)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:17 PM
Author: lascivious base

got the Lakers -4.5 at -105

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41022527)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:34 PM
Author: multi-colored ultramarine dilemma

I feel like you might be getting "value" but what's that worth when/if you lose

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41022618)



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Date: September 30th, 2020 11:35 PM
Author: Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested

Nothing.

It was 1 game. I'm not panicking yet, but Jimmy tweaked his ankle. If he's not 100% no way they win this series.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41022622)



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Date: October 2nd, 2020 11:47 PM
Author: stirring lodge mediation



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41037227)



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Date: October 4th, 2020 9:36 PM
Author: stirring lodge mediation

Are the Heat going to pull this off?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41047753)



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Date: October 4th, 2020 10:07 PM
Author: Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested

YNY!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41047942)



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Date: October 4th, 2020 10:09 PM
Author: appetizing amber indian lodge

wow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41047952)



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Date: October 4th, 2020 10:07 PM
Author: Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested

HERE WE GO!!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41047943)



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Date: October 6th, 2020 10:03 PM
Author: turquoise institution tank



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41061955)



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Date: October 6th, 2020 10:04 PM
Author: exhilarant lilac market faggotry

Poast your slip.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41061962)



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Date: October 6th, 2020 11:38 PM
Author: stirring lodge mediation



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41062780)



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Date: October 6th, 2020 11:40 PM
Author: godawful nowag area

I hope you’re right. Not because I care about your dumb ass, but I like jimmy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41062792)



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Date: October 7th, 2020 3:19 PM
Author: turquoise institution tank

Cr

There’sa rumors that he’s MJs illegitimate son

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41066479)



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Date: October 7th, 2020 3:21 PM
Author: Greedy infuriating macaca point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41066490)



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Date: October 7th, 2020 3:24 PM
Author: Very tactful halford background story

+2300 now. op time to double down

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41066512)



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Date: October 7th, 2020 6:11 PM
Author: multi-colored ultramarine dilemma

the difference in psychology is interesting with people who want to win on the long shot vs small likely hits

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41067570)



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Date: October 10th, 2020 12:09 AM
Author: stirring lodge mediation

He’s got a chance, fellas

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41084248)



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Date: October 11th, 2020 9:50 PM
Author: multi-colored ultramarine dilemma

I would've liked to see the line for game 7 but too bad

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41093929)



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Date: October 11th, 2020 9:56 PM
Author: Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested

I actually got out of the bet after the Heat won game 5.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4637902&forum_id=2#41093958)



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Date: October 11th, 2020 9:58 PM
Author: multi-colored ultramarine dilemma

guess the line for game 7

lakers still favored by a lot?

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Date: October 12th, 2020 12:12 PM
Author: godawful nowag area

sure you did, loser.

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Date: October 12th, 2020 12:43 PM
Author: big sinister bawdyhouse affirmative action



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Date: October 12th, 2020 12:22 PM
Author: poppy address

For a gain or loss?

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Date: October 12th, 2020 12:42 PM
Author: Lavender Massive Site Idea He Suggested

He let me buy out for $1,000. So, I saved $4,000.

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Date: October 11th, 2020 10:02 PM
Author: stirring lodge mediation



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