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Trump will lose and its because of college educated white women

It’s hard to overstate just how badly Trump is perform...
startled territorial newt
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LOL, it's because ALL college whites. Trump is fucked wit...
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trump will win white men across all educational demos. he wi...
startled territorial newt
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>he's picked up some hispanic support where's that gon...
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FL for sure. and maybe NC and GA
startled territorial newt
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like his silly fight with the media over the inauguration cr...
startled territorial newt
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and now those normies will get 30 million more illegal immig...
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true. thats why i am strongly pro trump even though i am ash...
startled territorial newt
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You're overreacting. Let's see what they do in the ballot bo...
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He tried to walk down the middle and please everyone, and in...
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It wasn't the inauguration crowd that he mentioned, it was t...
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She’s bought into the “if Biden wins all the ang...
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He is not going to lose this group that badly and all of the...
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nah. he is done due to white women. not saying 100% done but...
startled territorial newt
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Women were supposedly repulsed by him in '16, but he still d...
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White women were also repulsed by Hillary who they correctly...
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“Honestly, all the moms I know, we are really nervous ...
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She was going to vote D anyways. Let's interview a white, Lu...
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not necessarily. i think that the stats on affluent, urban/s...
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I agree they are a little soft but think that if you give th...
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link to those stats
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It’s very depressing you don’t want to see them ...
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i am already depressed. give it to me
startled territorial newt
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Over the past decade, the baseline attitudes expressed by wh...
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well its "white liberals" so not as depressing as ...
startled territorial newt
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check the married/single split
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i know, but it's pretty bad among the married ones too so...
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She believes in strong borders but not caging children. ...
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“ She loves her own health care and believes everyone ...
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absolutely devastating for white women
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Jessica Morschakov, a 38-year-old ballet studio owner, told ...
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https://www.clickondetroit.com/all-about-ann-arbor/2019/09/2...
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LITERAL Russians supporting Biden here, libs ur response?
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cr take but it also shows the importance of acting like a po...
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It looks like he already lost that demo in 2016 (in fact col...
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Yes it’s worse. https://cookpolitical.com/analysis/...
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my mother is a poor, college educated white boomer with a ti...
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180. she is heroic. tell her that
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i think i will
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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:24 PM
Author: startled territorial newt

It’s hard to overstate just how badly Trump is performing with this crucial demographic. Over the past several weeks, a raft of internal polls have produced numbers that political professionals here are struggling to comprehend. In Oakland County, the second-biggest voting area in the state, Gongwer reported that Democratic polling shows Biden leading Trump by 27 points; Republicans pushed back with a survey showing Trump down only 18 points. (For reference, Trump lost Oakland County by 8 points in 2016.)

Elissa Slotkin, the freshman House Democrat who represents northern Oakland County — and whose district stretches west through the affluent suburbs of Livingston County — is witnessing the same phenomenon. Having flipped a longtime Republican district in 2018, she was supposed to be one of the most endangered incumbents in the country. Instead, she’s cruising toward reelection.

Why? According to her campaign’s most recent internal poll, she’s an eye-popping 35 points above water, in terms of net favorability, with college-educated white women. This came as a shock to Slotkin, a veteran national security official, who was worried that Trump’s law-and-order message was going to scare women away from voting for Democrats this fall. But what her polling revealed — consistent with surveys done elsewhere in the state — is that Trump’s messaging has backfired.

“Honestly, all the moms I know, we are really nervous about our kids, what kind of future they’re going to have. And Trump is the one making us nervous,” Jessica Morschakov, a 38-year-old ballet studio owner, told me in the wealthy, ultra-conservative township of Brighton. “He’s just so angry all the time. I really believe that he brings out the worst in people, the worst in situations.”

It’s this sentiment, from this voting demographic, that’s echoing all across Michigan — especially in its rich white suburbs. Even voters who describe themselves as single-issue, pro-life Republicans, such as Karen Kudla, have said they’ve given up on Trump. “I cannot in good conscience vote to keep this man in the White House,” Kudla told me in Lake Orion.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/14/michigan-swing-states-428896

trump's brand is toxic among non-evangelical conservative college educated suburban women

even though media blew up everything he did, dems smeared him with russian collusion he also deserves a lot of blame for how he conducted himself in office - twitter rage poasting, name calling, verbal gaffes, pandering to some silly conspiracy theories etc etc. if he had cut down on his narcissism and twitter shitpoasting he would have a much better of chance even with covid. but people dont change when they are 70 i guess

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120008)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:24 PM
Author: Elite dashing codepig garrison

That's not what borders says.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120011)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:25 PM
Author: Spectacular church



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120015)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:29 PM
Author: misanthropic nofapping market



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120050)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:51 PM
Author: House-broken rambunctious community account lay



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120228)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:25 PM
Author: Azure Corn Cake

LOL, it's because ALL college whites.

Trump is fucked with seniors and with college whites.

the only group he's over performing in is psychotic ugly trumpmo minorities, particularly the homosexual asian male nurse subgroup.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120016)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:28 PM
Author: startled territorial newt

trump will win white men across all educational demos. he will also win the seniors. he probably lost some support in both demos but he picked up some hispanic support

his problem is college educated suburban women. he lost so much support there its going to destroy him politically

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120040)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 6:01 PM
Author: appetizing hairless spot gaming laptop

>he's picked up some hispanic support

where's that gonna help him

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120325)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 6:07 PM
Author: startled territorial newt

FL for sure. and maybe NC and GA

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120356)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:26 PM
Author: startled territorial newt

like his silly fight with the media over the inauguration crowd. complete self goal. unlike "fine people" comment which is a media smear this was his own fuck up. he was obsessed with proving he had the biggest inauguration crowd for some reason and acted like an irrational buffoon

these kind of things piss off normies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120027)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:46 PM
Author: razzmatazz hyperventilating really tough guy state

and now those normies will get 30 million more illegal immigrants, critical race theory, thieving, vindictive elites and a post-modern dystopic nightmare.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120186)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:50 PM
Author: startled territorial newt

true. thats why i am strongly pro trump even though i am ashamed to admit it in public unlike 2016. he really didnt do any of his supporters who live and work with white collar libs any favor. his buffoonish antics and idiotic rants has overshadowed all the great things he did - confront china, renegotiate NAFTA, destroy isis, remain in mexico policy

but ppl deserve the govt they vote for. the idiotic conservative women who vote against trump because they hate his personality and are willing to abandon ideology deserve what they are going to get. i wont shed a tear when these cucks cry in 2022 about the tyrannical leftist doj/hud/doe or impotent DHS destroying their neighborhoods and schools. FUCK THEM

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120222)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:51 PM
Author: light passionate step-uncle's house voyeur

You're overreacting. Let's see what they do in the ballot box

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120232)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:56 PM
Author: Chrome Vivacious Internal Respiration Range



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120284)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:52 PM
Author: razzmatazz hyperventilating really tough guy state

He tried to walk down the middle and please everyone, and in the end he'll get nothing for his troubles and neither will we.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120240)



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Date: October 16th, 2020 7:22 AM
Author: Ultramarine insanely creepy crackhouse indirect expression

It wasn't the inauguration crowd that he mentioned, it was the audience.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41123806)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:26 PM
Author: Frisky round eye stain

She’s bought into the “if Biden wins all the angry people will go home and we can enjoy peace again” implicit message at the core of the BLM movement.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120028)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:29 PM
Author: light passionate step-uncle's house voyeur

He is not going to lose this group that badly and all of the battleground states will be close

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120054)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:32 PM
Author: startled territorial newt

nah. he is done due to white women. not saying 100% done but he doesnt have the novelty/unkown factor in 2020 unlike 2016 and his failure to just "act" presidential will cost him. nobody is even complaining about his policies. its just that he acts and talks like a buffoon and shitpoasts on twitter

look at NE-2. he has only himself to blame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120074)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:49 PM
Author: light passionate step-uncle's house voyeur

Women were supposedly repulsed by him in '16, but he still did fine. He hasn't done anything worse, and many women are happy with his policies. They won't admit it to friends or a pollster, but trust me. They won't go 2 to 1 to corrupt Joe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120210)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 6:09 PM
Author: Primrose Preventive Strike Locale

White women were also repulsed by Hillary who they correctly identified as a sociopathic feminazi willing to do or say anything to advance her own goals especially if it hurt the are country whites she hates and had to tolerate for decades while she took a back seat to her redneck “husband.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120362)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:43 PM
Author: startled territorial newt



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120155)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:48 PM
Author: Swashbuckling piazza digit ratio

“Honestly, all the moms I know, we are really nervous about our kids, what kind of future they’re going to have. And Trump is the one making us nervous,” Jessica Morschakov, a 38-year-old ballet studio owner, told me in the wealthy, ultra-conservative township of Brighton. “He’s just so angry all the time. I really believe that he brings out the worst in people, the worst in situations.”

this might be the greatest quote i've ever seen that really sums up everything going on here

the completely sheltered eloi white woman who is genuinely worried about the future under trump because "he's angry a lot." no connection to objective reality, no concrete line of reasoning, just "there are bad emotions surrounding him, and it makes me feel bad emotions too, and so i feel bad emotions about the future"

allowing these "people" to vote is utterly ludicrous

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120205)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:50 PM
Author: light passionate step-uncle's house voyeur

She was going to vote D anyways. Let's interview a white, Lutheran mom of 3 in Waukesha for another take

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120221)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:53 PM
Author: Swashbuckling piazza digit ratio

not necessarily. i think that the stats on affluent, urban/suburban white women and trump are generally pretty accurate

these women are really, really stupid and brainwashed and operate solely on emotion and social consensus. they have no connection to objective reality and no understanding of "politics" whatsoever

the zach goldberg stats on what has happened to this group in the past decade are incredibly shocking and devastating

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120253)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:55 PM
Author: light passionate step-uncle's house voyeur

I agree they are a little soft but think that if you give them the secrecy of the ballot box, it's not as bad as it looks, and the white male turnout is going to be high enough to off-set

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120277)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:55 PM
Author: startled territorial newt

link to those stats

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120278)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:58 PM
Author: misanthropic nofapping market

It’s very depressing you don’t want to see them

Literally an entire generation of liberal white people brainwashed into insane racial attitudes because of nonstop far left kikery on huffpo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120296)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 6:07 PM
Author: startled territorial newt

i am already depressed. give it to me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120360)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 6:13 PM
Author: misanthropic nofapping market

Over the past decade, the baseline attitudes expressed by white liberals on racial and social justice questions have become radically more liberal. In one especially telling example of the broader trend, white liberals recently became the only demographic group in America to display a pro-outgroup bias—meaning that among all the different groups surveyed white liberals were the only one that expressed a preference for other racial and ethnic communities above their own

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/americas-white-saviors

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120394)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 6:21 PM
Author: startled territorial newt

well its "white liberals" so not as depressing as i thought it would be

this is known and was probably true even during FDR era. liberals by definition are extremely attuned to injustice/fairness and are unwilling to look at reality. so liberals who are at the top of the inequality divide will naturally have self-hate which explains the out group bias of white liberals. also for the record democrats =/= liberals. even today i think liberals are a small minority across the country and even in CA. i doubt california voters will overthrow prop 8 that banned gay marriage even today

so none of this is new. the problem is moderate/conservative women falling for the media bullshit and college brainwashing. so that is new over the last decade or so. one glimpse of hope is the fact that support of BLM which was extremely high in May/June collapsed by end of august. so maybe there is some hope after all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120438)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:56 PM
Author: naked internet-worthy field

check the married/single split

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120286)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 6:35 PM
Author: Swashbuckling piazza digit ratio

i know, but it's pretty bad among the married ones too

something really needs to be done about "the media"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120509)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:57 PM
Author: misanthropic nofapping market



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120292)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 6:49 PM
Author: Unhinged Titillating Mother National



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120592)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:51 PM
Author: sooty comical site

She believes in strong borders but not caging children.

She loves her own health care and believes everyone should get the same as her.

She is worried about violence but a firm believer in gun control.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120233)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:56 PM
Author: Frisky round eye stain

“ She loves her own health care and believes everyone should get the same as her.”

Lol just bankrupt the countey because the health insurance is too complicated for spoiled platinum package suburban moms to understand

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120288)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 6:29 PM
Author: startled territorial newt

absolutely devastating for white women

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120479)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:52 PM
Author: Chrome Vivacious Internal Respiration Range

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120246)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:54 PM
Author: naked internet-worthy field

Jessica Morschakov, a 38-year-old ballet studio owner, told me in the wealthy, ultra-conservative township of Brighton

uh, pics?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120263)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 7:10 PM
Author: sooty comical site

https://www.clickondetroit.com/all-about-ann-arbor/2019/09/25/academy-of-russian-classical-ballet-dances-into-downtown-ann-arbor/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120736)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 7:12 PM
Author: Frisky round eye stain

Unnnnngh the dancer Chad dad

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120747)



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Date: October 16th, 2020 7:11 AM
Author: naked internet-worthy field

LITERAL Russians supporting Biden here, libs ur response?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41123799)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:54 PM
Author: startled territorial newt

cr take but it also shows the importance of acting like a polished politician. if your goal is going to be an effective leader then trump failed to maximize his chances by acting like an idiot and shitpoasting on twitter. the ppl who like tshitpoasting and anti-media rants are based redpilled conservatives who voted for him in 2016 and were a lock for 2020. he should have tried to "act" presidential to keep and expand the normie base. but he let his narcissism and insecurities run amok

but in an ideal democracy we wont have the 19th amendment precisely for this reason and also only allow productive tax paying citizens, current military and veterans to vote

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120266)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 5:58 PM
Author: Cream blood rage

Trumpmos: stupid women, why won't they vote for Trump?

Also Trumpmos: BTW women shouldn't be allowed to vote and don't even count as human beings

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120297)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 6:00 PM
Author: startled territorial newt

trumpmos: "and don't even count as human beings"

link? u must be a journalist. classic cnn move

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120309)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 6:03 PM
Author: Razzle rose station organic girlfriend

You’re an awful poster

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120332)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 6:46 PM
Author: startled territorial newt



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120573)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 6:03 PM
Author: Blue insane pistol

It looks like he already lost that demo in 2016 (in fact college educated whites as a whole):

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/

Any indication that the gap will be bigger in 2020?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120335)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 6:16 PM
Author: Primrose Preventive Strike Locale

Yes it’s worse.

https://cookpolitical.com/analysis/national/national-politics/whos-behind-trumps-big-deficit-college-educated-whites-and

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120402)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 6:12 PM
Author: Painfully honest shrine

I love the uneducated!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120381)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 6:51 PM
Author: Unhinged Titillating Mother National

my mother is a poor, college educated white boomer with a timid spirit and a rule following compulsion. she hates him because she is scairt and afeard of chink flu, and he "breaks the rules and doesn't wear a mask!"

she will still vote for him because he's not Biden

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120606)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 6:54 PM
Author: startled territorial newt

180. she is heroic. tell her that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120623)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 7:59 PM
Author: Unhinged Titillating Mother National

i think i will

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41121017)



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Date: October 15th, 2020 6:55 PM
Author: Milky Glittery Point Legal Warrant

borders pls give us hoap

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4652256&forum_id=2#41120640)