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Vaccine unlikely to see widespread distribution before October 2021

Approval unlikely until April 2021. After that, it's predict...
,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,...,.,,;..,
  10/17/20
They’re already manufacturing the candidates.
Dopey Anti-Vaxxer and Grandma Killer Andrew Cuomo
  10/17/20
they take that into account. and yet " Our modelling...
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  10/17/20
I don’t get why they think it will take that long for ...
Dopey Anti-Vaxxer and Grandma Killer Andrew Cuomo
  10/17/20
The whole underlying premise of requiring a vaccine to &ldqu...
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  10/17/20
LOL is this spaceporn? you seem retarded.
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  10/17/20
You seem weirdly invested in this study.
Dopey Anti-Vaxxer and Grandma Killer Andrew Cuomo
  10/17/20
no i just find your flippant objections to shit they clearly...
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Daytona Beach 1986
  10/17/20
“ it could be September 2023 before we have enough dos...
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  10/17/20
Seems like they’re stuck in traditional vaccine thinki...
Dopey Anti-Vaxxer and Grandma Killer Andrew Cuomo
  10/17/20
The Space Force will handle this!
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  10/18/20
Consistent with what higher ups at my work think—that ...
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  10/17/20
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  10/18/20
Industry?
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Rapping Boomer IS Baby Chomsky!
  10/17/20
trump will cram through a vaccine but biden won't whether...
rogue planet
  10/18/20
If I know Uganda won't get the V in 2021, I'd might as well ...
How to derive aut from ism
  10/18/20
are you retarded?
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  10/18/20
Trump lied AGAIN?
China Trump
  10/18/20
Deep State in FDA is stalling: http://feedproxy.google.co...
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  10/18/20
Cons is it true Donald lied to the American people yet again...
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  10/20/20


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Date: October 17th, 2020 11:01 PM
Author: ,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,...,.,,;..,


Approval unlikely until April 2021. After that, it's predicted that scaling up won't start in earnest until October or November of next year. Won't be enough vaccine for all medical workers until spring 2022; at that point there won't even be enough for 1/6 of the US population. Won't be enough doses to eradicate COVID altogether until September 2023.

https://www.cgdev.org/publication/covid-19-vaccine-predictions

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4654186&forum_id=2#41133970)



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Date: October 17th, 2020 11:10 PM
Author: Dopey Anti-Vaxxer and Grandma Killer Andrew Cuomo

They’re already manufacturing the candidates.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4654186&forum_id=2#41134004)



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Date: October 17th, 2020 11:12 PM
Author: ,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,...,.,,;..,


they take that into account. and yet

" Our modelling suggests that it will probably take more than a year to produce enough vaccines to inoculate the world’s 50 million medical staff, and that it could be September 2023 before we have enough doses for the whole world. It is not clear that these early vaccines will be efficacious enough to end the COVID-19 crisis."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4654186&forum_id=2#41134013)



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Date: October 17th, 2020 11:13 PM
Author: Dopey Anti-Vaxxer and Grandma Killer Andrew Cuomo

I don’t get why they think it will take that long for approval. Pfizer’s is very far along. They’re almost done with Phase 3.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4654186&forum_id=2#41134020)



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Date: October 17th, 2020 11:16 PM
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The whole underlying premise of requiring a vaccine to “end” this is stupid. It’s a mild respiratory virus for 99% of people. It’s doesn’t need a “vaccine” save for a minority of people in specific categories. At best it will work like a flu vaccine, which isn’t that well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4654186&forum_id=2#41134027)



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Date: October 17th, 2020 11:19 PM
Author: ,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,...,.,,;..,


LOL

is this spaceporn? you seem retarded.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4654186&forum_id=2#41134039)



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Date: October 17th, 2020 11:23 PM
Author: Dopey Anti-Vaxxer and Grandma Killer Andrew Cuomo

You seem weirdly invested in this study.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4654186&forum_id=2#41134053)



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Date: October 17th, 2020 11:24 PM
Author: ,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,...,.,,;..,


no i just find your flippant objections to shit they clearly included in their model to be really idiotic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4654186&forum_id=2#41134058)



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Date: October 17th, 2020 11:08 PM
Author: Daytona Beach 1986



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Date: October 17th, 2020 11:13 PM
Author: ..,..,,,,,...,...,..,,..,,,,.,,.,,...,,..,,.,.,.,,


“ it could be September 2023 before we have enough doses for the whole world.”

Lol what is even the point? Everyone will have been exposed by that time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4654186&forum_id=2#41134022)



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Date: October 17th, 2020 11:15 PM
Author: Dopey Anti-Vaxxer and Grandma Killer Andrew Cuomo

Seems like they’re stuck in traditional vaccine thinking. We’re doing warp speed, fuckers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4654186&forum_id=2#41134025)



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Date: October 18th, 2020 11:49 AM
Author: ,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,...,.,,;..,


The Space Force will handle this!



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4654186&forum_id=2#41135698)



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Date: October 17th, 2020 11:17 PM
Author: ..,..,,,,,...,...,..,,..,,,,.,,.,,...,,..,,.,.,.,,


Consistent with what higher ups at my work think—that we will probably continue to WFH all next year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4654186&forum_id=2#41134031)



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Date: October 18th, 2020 11:57 AM
Author: P0astradamus

1800000

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Date: October 18th, 2020 11:58 AM
Author: ''''''''''''''''''''''

Industry?

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Date: October 17th, 2020 11:20 PM
Author: Rapping Boomer IS Baby Chomsky!



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4654186&forum_id=2#41134045)



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Date: October 18th, 2020 11:55 AM
Author: rogue planet

trump will cram through a vaccine but biden won't

whether the vaccine works or not is not important, as we could all go back to regular life now and we would loosely follow a sweden-like trajectory, possibly a little worse due to obesity in the united states, possibly better since we already have some herd immunity in some areas here

usa fuct if biden wins



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4654186&forum_id=2#41135728)



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Date: October 18th, 2020 11:57 AM
Author: How to derive aut from ism

If I know Uganda won't get the V in 2021, I'd might as well plan for my kid's homeschooling thru 2023

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4654186&forum_id=2#41135743)



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Date: October 18th, 2020 12:12 PM
Author: ,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,...,.,,;..,


are you retarded?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4654186&forum_id=2#41135808)



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Date: October 18th, 2020 12:13 PM
Author: China Trump

Trump lied AGAIN?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4654186&forum_id=2#41135811)



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Date: October 18th, 2020 12:18 PM
Author: Dopey Anti-Vaxxer and Grandma Killer Andrew Cuomo

Deep State in FDA is stalling:

http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/marginalrevolution/feed/~3/1KIAbNesAEU/solve-for-the-rational-bayesian-equilibrium.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4654186&forum_id=2#41135841)



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Date: October 18th, 2020 3:05 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4654186&forum_id=2#41136471)



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Date: October 18th, 2020 5:28 PM
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Date: October 18th, 2020 5:44 PM
Author: City Pop

just get a $400 DIY vaccine:

These Scientists Are Giving Themselves D.I.Y. Coronavirus Vaccines

Impatient for a coronavirus vaccine, dozens of scientists around the world are giving themselves — and sometimes, friends and family — their own unproven versions.

Preston Estep, chief scientist and co-founder of RaDVaC, administering an eighth iteration of his vaccine on August 19.

Preston Estep, chief scientist and co-founder of RaDVaC, administering an eighth iteration of his vaccine on August 19.Credit...Kayana Szymczak for The New York Times

By Heather Murphy

Published Sept. 1, 2020

Updated Sept. 8, 2020

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In April, more than three months before any coronavirus vaccine would enter large clinical trials, the mayor of a picturesque island town in the Pacific Northwest invited a microbiologist friend to vaccinate him.

The exchange occurred on the mayor’s Facebook page, to the horror of several Friday Harbor residents following it.

“Should I pop up and get your vaccine started?????,” wrote Johnny Stine, who runs North Coast Biologics, a Seattle biotech company with a focus on antibodies. “Don’t worry — I’m immune — I have boosted myself five times with my vaccine.”

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“Sounds good,” Farhad Ghatan, the mayor, wrote after a few follow-up questions.

Several residents interjected skepticism in the exchange. They were swatted down by the mayor, who defended his friend of 25 years as a “pharmaceutical scientist on the forefront.” When residents raised additional concerns — about Mr. Stine’s credentials and the unfairness of encouraging him to visit San Juan Island despite travel restrictions — Mr. Stine lobbed back vulgar insults. (The geekiest and least R-rated: “I hope your lung epithelial cells over express ACE2 so you die more expeditiously from nCoV19.”)

ImageMr. Stine attacked Friday Harbor residents on several Facebook pages where they had expressed skepticism that he could make their mayor immune to Covid-19.

Mr. Stine attacked Friday Harbor residents on several Facebook pages where they had expressed skepticism that he could make their mayor immune to Covid-19.

Several residents reported all of this to a variety of law enforcement and regulatory agencies. In June, the Washington attorney general filed a lawsuit against Mr. Stine not only for pitching the mayor with unsupported claims, but also for administering his unproven vaccine to about 30 people, charging each $400. In May, the Food and Drug Administration sent a letter warning Mr. Stine to stop “misleadingly” representing his product.

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Although his promotional tactics were unusual, Mr. Stine was far from the only scientist creating experimental coronavirus vaccines for themselves, family, friends and other interested parties. Dozens of scientists around the world have done it, with wildly varying methods, affiliations and claims.

The most impressively credentialed effort is the Rapid Deployment Vaccine Collaborative, or RaDVaC, which boasts the famous Harvard geneticist George Church among its 23 listed collaborators. (The research, however, is not happening on Harvard’s campus: “While professor Church’s lab works on a number of Covid-19 research projects, he has assured Harvard Medical School that work related to the RaDVaC vaccine is not being done in his lab,” a spokeswoman for Harvard Medical School said.)

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“I’d rather have the chance of having some protection than no protection at all,” said Farhad Ghatan, the mayor of Friday Harbor, Wash, who invited his friend Johnny Stine to vaccinate him.

“I’d rather have the chance of having some protection than no protection at all,” said Farhad Ghatan, the mayor of Friday Harbor, Wash, who invited his friend Johnny Stine to vaccinate him.Credit...Jovelle Tamayo for The New York Times

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Among the most tight-lipped projects is CoroNope, which refuses to name anyone involved because, according to the person responding to messages sent to the group’s anonymous email account, the “less than half a dozen” biologists don’t want to risk getting in trouble with the F.D.A. or with their employers.

Each D.I.Y. effort is motivated, at least in part, by the same idea: Exceptional times demand exceptional actions. If scientists have the skills and gumption to assemble a vaccine on their own, the logic goes, they should do it. Defenders say that as long as they are measured about their claims and transparent about their process, we could all benefit from what they learn.

But critics say that no matter how well-intentioned, these scientists aren’t likely to learn anything useful because their vaccines are not being put to the true test of randomized and placebo-controlled studies. What’s more, taking these vaccines could cause harm — whether from serious immune reactions and other side effects, or offering a false sense of protection.

“Take it yourself and there is not much anyone can or should do,” said Jeffrey Kahn, the director of the Johns Hopkins Berman Institute of Bioethics. But once a person starts encouraging other people to try an unproven vaccine, “you’re headed right back to the days of patent medicine and quackery,” he said, referring to a time when remedies were widely sold with colorful but misleading promises.

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Don Wang, an immunologist and RaDVaC co-founder, takes blood so he can examine his antibody response to the vaccine during a gathering of four collaborators at a secret location in August.

Don Wang, an immunologist and RaDVaC co-founder, takes blood so he can examine his antibody response to the vaccine during a gathering of four collaborators at a secret location in August.Credit...Kayana Szymczak for The New York Times

The RaDVac vaccine effort, first reported on by MIT Technology Review, is different from Mr. Stine’s project in two important ways. No one involved plans to charge for the vaccine. And unlike Mr. Stine’s expletive-laden Facebook rants, RaDVaC has a 59-page scientific document to explain how it works and to guide others who might want to mix up the vaccine formulation on their own.

“The white paper is quite impressive,” said Avery August, an immunologist at Cornell University in Ithaca, N.Y., who is not involved with RaDVaC.

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But the impetus of both projects is similar. In March, as Preston Estep, a genome scientist who lives in the Boston area, was reading about people dying amid the pandemic, he vowed not to sit complacently on the sidelines. He emailed some chemists, biologists, professors and doctors he knew to see whether any were interested in creating their own vaccine. Soon they had devised a formula for a peptide vaccine that could be administered through a spritz in the nose.

“It’s very simple,” Dr. Estep said. “It consists of five ingredients you could mix together in a physician’s office.”

The key ingredient: tiny bits of viral proteins, or peptides, which the scientists ordered online. If all went well, the peptides would train the immune system to defend against the coronavirus, even with no actual virus present.

In late April, Dr. Estep joined several collaborators in a lab as they stirred the concoction and sprayed it in their nostrils. Dr. Church, a longtime mentor to Dr. Estep, said he took it alone in his bathroom to maintain social-distancing precautions.

Dr. Estep soon gave the vaccine to his 23-year-old son, and other collaborators also shared it with their family members. So far, no one has reported anything worse than a stuffy nose and a mild headache, Dr. Estep said. He has also refined the recipe, removing and adding peptides as new coronavirus research has emerged. So far, he has sprayed eight versions into his nose.

A traditional drug development workflow begins with mouse or other animal studies. For RaDVaC, Dr. Estep said, “we are the animals.”

But without rigorous clinical trials, Dr. August said, there’s no reliable way to know if it is safe or effective. He said he feared that the scientists’ prestigious credentials might imply otherwise.

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Dr. Church said that he respected the traditional evaluation process but that there should also be room for “pre-research,” and that most of what he had been involved with throughout his career — including editing genes in human cells — was considered “fringe” at first.

As of last week, Dr. Estep said, about 30 people in the United States, Sweden, Germany, China and Britain had taken the vaccine. He said a university professor in Brazil had told him he was considering making it in his lab and distributing it for free.

Vaccine via Facebook

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“Mr. Stine sold this so-called ‘vaccine’ to people in Washington who are frightened and more apt to look for a miracle cure in the midst of a worldwide pandemic,” Washington Attorney General Bob Ferguson said.

“Mr. Stine sold this so-called ‘vaccine’ to people in Washington who are frightened and more apt to look for a miracle cure in the midst of a worldwide pandemic,” Washington Attorney General Bob Ferguson said.Credit...Ted S. Warren/Associated Press

There is a long history of scientists openly testing vaccines on themselves and their children, but in recent decades it has become less common, according to Susan E. Lederer, a medical historian at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. What’s ethically and legally acceptable for testing and distributing your own medical product varies by institution and by country.

In August, the Scientific Research Institute for Biological Safety Problems, a government institution in Kazakhstan, announced that seven employees had become the first people to try the Covid-19 vaccine they were developing. Russian and Chinese scientists affiliated with government and academic institutions have made similar pronouncements amid the pandemic.

The problem with Mr. Stine’s product, according to Attorney General Bob Ferguson of Washington, is not that he took it. It’s that he “sold this so-called vaccine to people in Washington who are frightened and more apt to look for a miracle cure in the midst of a worldwide pandemic,” Mr. Ferguson said in a statement. The lawsuit also cites Mr. Stine’s unsupported safety and effectiveness claims.

In March, a few months after he said he vaccinated himself and his two teenage sons, he posted an ad on the Facebook page for North Coast Biologics. After decades of working with antibodies, Mr. Stine said in an interview, he knew that making a vaccine should be “pretty goddamn easy.”

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He described a job that sounded a bit like writing Hollywood screenplays that never become movies. He makes antibodies that could be used against various pathogens and sells them to companies that could use them to develop drugs, but they probably won’t. According to the Washington attorney general’s suit, Mr. Stine’s company was administratively dissolved in 2012.

To make his vaccine, he used a genetic sequence for the spike protein on the outside of the coronavirus to make a synthetic version. He put it in a saline solution, injected himself just under the surface of the skin of his upper arm and then took a so-called titer test to look for antibodies in his bloodstream. “It took me 12 days from downloading the sequence to being titer positive,” he said.

In his Facebook ad, he claimed that this left him immune to the virus and offered “interested parties” the opportunity to “pay $400/person.”

As part of an agreement that Mr. Stine eventually struck with prosecutors, he must refund all 30 people who had taken his vaccine.

Mr. Stine seemed amused by this, insisting that few people are likely to apply for a refund. His fee, he said, barely covered travel costs, and often he didn’t charge.

A man in his 60s in Montana, who asked to remain anonymous for privacy concerns, said he flew Mr. Stine out to inoculate him and his family. Now, he said, they have been able to return to “normal behavior,” such as having lunch with friends whose jobs put them at high risk for exposure. The man even joined Mr. Stine to visit a police officer friend in Washington State who had been diagnosed with Covid-19 and was “on death’s door.” According to all three who were present, no one wore a mask. And Mr. Stine sat close to the sick officer in an enclosed space as he gave him a treatment.

Mr. Stine says his vaccine is similar to a recombinant vaccine being developed by the University of Pittsburgh in Pennsylvania. He also claims that a shot will not only protect people against the virus, but also treat those who have it. Dr. Louis Falo, a lead researcher on University of Pittsburgh’s effort, said he was skeptical that Mr. Stine’s vaccine could be safe or effective based on how it was assembled. Even if it was, he said, it’s unlikely it would help sick people.

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In the 1990s, Mr. Stine worked for Patrick Gray, a molecular biologist who contributed to the discovery of a hepatitis B vaccine and is now the chief executive of a biotech company.

Dr. Gray said in an interview that the science Mr. Stine published at Icos, the biotech company where they worked together, was “sound” but that the young scientist had a penchant for making too much of too little. “Johnny was in a hurry to publish his work and advance his career,” he said. “We often insisted on more confirmation and more controls.”

“Regarding his current scientific efforts, I don’t believe Johnny is a ‘scam artist,’ but he has ignored F.D.A. regulations necessary for drug development,” he wrote in an email. “It’s just not possible for an individual like Johnny to create a viable vaccine.”

The mayor of Friday Harbor said he regretted responding to Mr. Stine’s message on his Facebook wall, instead of privately. But he does not see why he should apologize for accepting his friend’s formulation for free. “I’d rather have the chance of having some protection than no protection at all and waiting and waiting,” Mr. Ghatan said.

The controversy, however, has derailed their plans to meet, he said. But if another opportunity arises to get the jab, he said, “I would.”



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4654186&forum_id=2#41137333)



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Date: October 20th, 2020 12:22 PM
Author: China Trump

Cons is it true Donald lied to the American people yet again?

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