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Any scenario where you'd grab a 12g pump action over AR15?

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onions
  11/21/20
every situation
minecraft
  11/21/20
make thing messier, scare someone trying to break in, look c...
.,,,,.,......,.,.,,,,......,.,,.,
  11/21/20
AR15 looks cool as fuck
onions
  11/21/20
Home defense, zombies, ducks, clay pigeons, Halo Flood
DrakeMallard
  11/21/20
AR15 isn't better for home defense?
onions
  11/21/20
Matter of preference. Pluses and minuses to both
DrakeMallard
  11/21/20
Have you ever tried "mini" shotgun shells? They're...
onions
  11/21/20
Ive shot the aguila ones. Fun with a lot less recoil but I ...
DrakeMallard
  11/21/20
My Keltec is 14+1. Those would put me at 28+1
onions
  11/21/20
KSG? Those things look badass They came out with a 24+1 s...
DrakeMallard
  11/21/20
I'm taking a class/completion where everyone else has a Remi...
onions
  11/21/20
if someone is on drugs, a 12G may work better
debunked right wing conspiracy theory
  11/21/20
This is good
onions
  11/21/20
lmao no it's nonsense. The only 100% guaranteed ways to stop...
Hitler Did Nothing Wrong
  11/21/20
MFCR
Hegemon
  11/22/20
I thought he meant if the shooter is on drugs
onions
  11/22/20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-mztxHgYQo
bloomington
  11/21/20
even really good body armor will deform and eventually fail ...
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  11/21/20
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onions
  11/21/20
I don't think this is true. Even very good plates will crumb...
Hegemon
  11/22/20
Shotgun is way better for home defense than an AR. Any kin...
sniggle
  11/21/20
This is simply untrue. There's a reason that no SOF units us...
Hegemon
  11/22/20
Home defense, with birdshot load, if you don’t live al...
Driving back in silence from retirement home
  11/21/20
PCC fixes this
Hegemon
  11/22/20
you live in an apartment
UhOh
  11/21/20
If I had to shoot birds, small game, or dangerous game like ...
Hitler Did Nothing Wrong
  11/21/20
That's why I thought but seems we're in the minority
onions
  11/21/20
ARs aren’t kings of any situation. They are relatively...
sniggle
  11/21/20
I think this probably undersells the AR significantly. Insid...
Hegemon
  11/22/20
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Hegemon
  11/22/20
Every situation where I’m not trying to breach a build...
Obese Turtle
  11/21/20
Trench warfare, hand to hand combat
dcpoast (41 yr old shirtless guitar player)
  11/21/20
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onions
  11/22/20
Bird hunting
Hegemon
  11/22/20
Suicide
'"'"'"''"
  11/22/20
https://youtu.be/p8SASAy7puQ&t=40s Anyone saying home...
Hegemon
  11/22/20
If it’s sawed off for home defense
Refunkulus
  11/22/20
most scenarios
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Date: November 21st, 2020 2:02 AM
Author: onions



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41408483)



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Date: November 21st, 2020 2:04 AM
Author: minecraft

every situation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41408489)



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Date: November 21st, 2020 2:05 AM
Author: .,,,,.,......,.,.,,,,......,.,,.,


make thing messier, scare someone trying to break in, look cooler

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41408494)



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Date: November 21st, 2020 2:15 AM
Author: onions

AR15 looks cool as fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41408515)



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Date: November 21st, 2020 2:06 AM
Author: DrakeMallard

Home defense, zombies, ducks, clay pigeons, Halo Flood

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41408497)



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Date: November 21st, 2020 2:15 AM
Author: onions

AR15 isn't better for home defense?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41408512)



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Date: November 21st, 2020 2:22 AM
Author: DrakeMallard

Matter of preference. Pluses and minuses to both

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41408522)



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Date: November 21st, 2020 2:26 AM
Author: onions

Have you ever tried "mini" shotgun shells? They're like half the size so you get 2x capacity

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41408529)



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Date: November 21st, 2020 2:29 AM
Author: DrakeMallard

Ive shot the aguila ones. Fun with a lot less recoil but I don’t know when I’d need 10 shells vs 6 regular ones (Mossberg 500). If I’m missing that many shots, I deserve to get got or should be using a rifle

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41408533)



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Date: November 21st, 2020 2:32 AM
Author: onions

My Keltec is 14+1. Those would put me at 28+1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41408542)



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Date: November 21st, 2020 2:33 AM
Author: DrakeMallard

KSG? Those things look badass

They came out with a 24+1 shell version that fits 40 mini shells

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41408544)



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Date: November 21st, 2020 2:36 AM
Author: onions

I'm taking a class/completion where everyone else has a Remington or mossberg. Most of the exercises require 10-15 rounds and reloads. Had no idea what I was doing the first time but next time I'm gonna have these mini shells and literally never reload ever. It's going to be hilarious.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41408545)



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Date: November 21st, 2020 2:13 AM
Author: debunked right wing conspiracy theory

if someone is on drugs, a 12G may work better

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41408505)



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Date: November 21st, 2020 2:15 AM
Author: onions

This is good

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41408514)



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Date: November 21st, 2020 6:28 PM
Author: Hitler Did Nothing Wrong

lmao no it's nonsense. The only 100% guaranteed ways to stop an attacker are:

1. Destroy the brain (self explanatory)

2. Prevent the body from providing oxygenated blood to the brain (massive hemorrhage or destroying the heart)

3. Destroying the muscles used to carry out the attack (see: XO Kyle blowing that antifa guy's arm the fuck off)

Anything outside these three scenarios is not guaranteed and relies on factors out of your control. Drugs have no bearing on whether or not someone's head explodes like a fucking watermelon if you send a 77 grain SMK through it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41411888)



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Date: November 22nd, 2020 3:09 PM
Author: Hegemon

MFCR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41415940)



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Date: November 22nd, 2020 3:33 PM
Author: onions

I thought he meant if the shooter is on drugs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41416028)



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Date: November 21st, 2020 2:21 AM
Author: bloomington (🦅)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-mztxHgYQo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41408519)



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Date: November 21st, 2020 3:19 AM
Author: ,.,..,.,..,.,.,.,..,.,.,,..,..,.,,..,.,,.


even really good body armor will deform and eventually fail under a barrage of 12ga sabot slugs, while 5.56/.223 will be defeated all day by the same plates.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41408576)



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Date: November 21st, 2020 5:46 PM
Author: onions

ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41411572)



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Date: November 22nd, 2020 3:29 PM
Author: Hegemon

I don't think this is true. Even very good plates will crumble eventually to 5.56. You need to keep a tight group for this though. I have not tested this, so this hypothesis may be wrong, but I would theorize that 5.56 would defeat body armor before 12 gauge slugs, due to velocity. 5.56 is a high velocity round and speed is typically what beats body armor. I'm very open to evidence I'm wrong though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41416008)



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Date: November 21st, 2020 6:04 PM
Author: sniggle

Shotgun is way better for home defense than an AR.

Any kind of bird hunting or sporting clays would be shotgun material as well.

Shotguns used to be highly valued in CQB, especially trench warfare, because of the absolutely devastating effects they had on the enemies’ bodies.

The AR-15 is a compromise gun. It was designed to do a series of infantry tasks well, while also being robust, easily replaced, and cheap. For any individual task, there is a better gun than the AR-15. But if you have to do a bunch of tasks with just one gun, that’s when the AR starts having value.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41411690)



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Date: November 22nd, 2020 3:07 PM
Author: Hegemon

This is simply untrue. There's a reason that no SOF units use shotguns as a CQB primary; they use 11.5" ARs.

You're correct that the AR is a compromise gun, but it is also the best possible CQB gun, other than perhaps an MP7.

I also would not want a shotgun for home defense because often precision is necessary in such situations. I don't want the spread of a shotgun preventing me from being able to take a precise shot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41415933)



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Date: November 21st, 2020 6:06 PM
Author: Driving back in silence from retirement home

Home defense, with birdshot load, if you don’t live alone and have a family.

In a tough situation, you may miss. Victory over the bad guy won’t mean much if your missed rounds hit your kid two rooms over through the dry wall

Birdshot is less likely to go through the dry wall with enough power to 100% kill the person accidentally hit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41411702)



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Date: November 22nd, 2020 3:13 PM
Author: Hegemon

PCC fixes this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41415951)



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Date: November 21st, 2020 6:24 PM
Author: UhOh

you live in an apartment

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41411828)



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Date: November 21st, 2020 6:25 PM
Author: Hitler Did Nothing Wrong

If I had to shoot birds, small game, or dangerous game like a grizzly since the shotgun can shoot hardcast slugs. Otherwise the AR is king in every other situation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41411844)



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Date: November 21st, 2020 8:41 PM
Author: onions

That's why I thought but seems we're in the minority

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41412621)



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Date: November 21st, 2020 10:20 PM
Author: sniggle

ARs aren’t kings of any situation. They are relatively mediocre at most tasks, but they are a good compromises of firepower, rate of fire, precision, ease of use/training, and manufacturing.

There is no one task for which an AR is the best gun. It’s when you are facing a broad range of unknown tasks for which you can only use one gun that the AR shines.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41413094)



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Date: November 22nd, 2020 3:35 PM
Author: Hegemon

I think this probably undersells the AR significantly. Inside 500 yards, what tasks is it bad at?

I also think that almost all of the limitations the AR has are due to the 5.56 cartridge, rather than the platform itself. I think that in a round like 6.5 Grendel or 6mm Arc, the platform eclipses a lot of the limitations that it currently has.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41416038)



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Date: November 22nd, 2020 3:30 PM
Author: Hegemon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41416011)



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Date: November 21st, 2020 6:30 PM
Author: Obese Turtle (flailing in the hot sun)

Every situation where I’m not trying to breach a building or secure perimeter.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41411899)



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Date: November 21st, 2020 6:32 PM
Author: dcpoast (41 yr old shirtless guitar player)

Trench warfare, hand to hand combat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41411930)



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Date: November 22nd, 2020 3:03 PM
Author: onions



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41415910)



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Date: November 22nd, 2020 3:06 PM
Author: Hegemon

Bird hunting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41415922)



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Date: November 22nd, 2020 3:06 PM
Author: '"'"'"''"

Suicide

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41415926)



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Date: November 22nd, 2020 3:13 PM
Author: Hegemon

https://youtu.be/p8SASAy7puQ&t=40s

Anyone saying home defense needs to watch this video

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41415953)



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Date: November 22nd, 2020 3:16 PM
Author: Refunkulus ((DU RAG, TIMBALANDS, FULL NUDE))

If it’s sawed off for home defense

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41415962)



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Date: November 22nd, 2020 3:30 PM
Author: .- ... -.- .- ...- (🚫🌶️🔥🚫 🅰️ 🇸 🇰 🅰️ ✌️ 🚫🌶️🔥🚫)

most scenarios

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4695046&forum_id=2#41416012)