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here is what chauvin needs to do to win

His lawyer needs to find some way to allow him to kneel on s...
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Gerry Spence-esque
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Weren't there 3 cops holding him down? When you're lying on ...
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Jury sees Chauvin get erect
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So we've reached "bargaining"?
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I personally will volunteer to fly out to Minneapolis and ha...
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Prosbro only needs to prove that it was a substantial factor...
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If the due says "I felt fine, my breathing wasn't affec...
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Dude. That’s not going to happen. The objection is cal...
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But but but by the time the objection is sustained, jury bro...
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Nope it just doesn’t work like that. Everyone who is a...
contagious lime kitchen jew
  04/07/21
"it's nbd, just unring the bell!" (dumbass)
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  04/07/21
Do u even jury trial?
contagious lime kitchen jew
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you say it would be crazy, but what would be the basis of th...
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I’m not explaining this any further. I can only do on...
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You seem like an abject idiot.
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no, he's just beta and sanction cucked. if I knew the knee r...
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Good attys risk sanctions on occasion. But this is not that....
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Hint: the foundation for eyewitness testimony is "I was...
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Exactly. The "there" is underneath Chauvin's knee.
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But you can’t I ring the bell, friend.
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"objection your honor this would help the defendant win...
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If this were proposed it would be denied 10 times out of ten...
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it is telling that no one has actually tried to refute my ar...
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Yeah. You are right. You are a goddamn genius. Well done.
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This frustration you’re feeling in this subthread, whe...
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Lmao this is spaceporn.
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All correct. Also obj to foundation in this hypo. It&rsq...
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COPS HAVE KILLED FOLKS JUST BY KNEELING ON THE BACK WHILE TH...
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It would be wild if OP's insane idiotic scheme were permitte...
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  04/06/21
There would be immunity for the second killing under the lit...
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Maybe could get a mistrial on the basis that the jury was pr...
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but but but defensebro opened the door
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legit loled
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Should have had Mercil demonstrate on the defense attorney b...
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Fuck that's pretty good
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the trial should last 10 minutes with chauvin being held dow...
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there is something to this when you get "blood choked&...
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i will only allow this if it's the mousy/milfy female prosec...
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if the knee don't choke, you must revoke
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Date: April 6th, 2021 10:09 PM
Author: Plum Casino

His lawyer needs to find some way to allow him to kneel on someone's neck/shoulder in the same way as he is depicted doing in the infamous videos. If Chauvin appears to be doing exactly the same thing to someone in the courtroom as he had done to Floyd, and if that person in the courtroom experiences no trouble breathing, then that fact, per se, creates reasonable doubt. This would obviously be procedurally unorthodox (though somewhat similar to when OJ tried on the glove), but there has to be a way to do it, given the stakes at trial, and given that it goes to the very issue at the heart of the trial. Perhaps he can even do it on the jury members.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42234142)



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Date: April 7th, 2021 11:31 PM
Author: Gay Becky

Gerry Spence-esque

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240403)



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Date: April 7th, 2021 11:32 PM
Author: Dark national

Weren't there 3 cops holding him down? When you're lying on your stomach, breathing is naturally more difficult. If you have 3 men holding you down that's going to complicate things more.

https://prnt.sc/116ze84

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240404)



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Date: April 6th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: violent striped hyena

Jury sees Chauvin get erect

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42234147)



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Date: April 6th, 2021 10:11 PM
Author: Hyperventilating senate

So we've reached "bargaining"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42234154)



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Date: April 6th, 2021 10:12 PM
Author: Plum Casino

I personally will volunteer to fly out to Minneapolis and have him do it to me, and I will testify (assuming I survive) as to the effect it had on me. But how could something like this NOT be done, given how central it is to the issue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42234160)



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Date: April 6th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: frozen deep wrinkle cruise ship

Prosbro only needs to prove that it was a substantial factor in causing the death, doesn't need to prove that it would always cause death in any random person. Including one without the same drug and health problems. A shooting is also not not a murder just because some people survive a shot to the same body part.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42234171)



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Date: April 6th, 2021 10:19 PM
Author: Plum Casino

If the due says "I felt fine, my breathing wasn't affected at all" then it creates dat reasonable doubt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42234191)



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Date: April 7th, 2021 11:20 PM
Author: contagious lime kitchen jew

Dude. That’s not going to happen. The objection is called “lack of foundation.” Look it up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240353)



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Date: April 7th, 2021 11:21 PM
Author: Plum Casino

But but but by the time the objection is sustained, jury bros will have seen it and will not be able to forget it, despite instructions by the judge

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240358)



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Date: April 7th, 2021 11:26 PM
Author: contagious lime kitchen jew

Nope it just doesn’t work like that. Everyone who is a trial lawyer aka real lawyer knows that shit wouldn’t fly under the rules of evidence. And trying to do some dumb shit like that wouldn’t happen but if it did happen notwithstanding that it’s sanctionable conduct even to make the attempt, it’s raised outside of the presence of the jury. And if god forbid something like that would be raised in the presence of the jury, which it wouldn’t, a forceful explanation of the nature of the objection by the prosecutors as part of the objection would deflate any potential damage.

Make all the dumb but but buts you want. You obviously know nothing about trying a jury case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240385)



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Date: April 7th, 2021 11:27 PM
Author: Frum hyperactive orchestra pit

"it's nbd, just unring the bell!"

(dumbass)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240388)



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Date: April 7th, 2021 11:30 PM
Author: contagious lime kitchen jew

Do u even jury trial?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240398)



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Date: April 7th, 2021 11:33 PM
Author: Plum Casino

you say it would be crazy, but what would be the basis of the objection? "Lack of foundation", you say in conclusory fashion? Explain exactly what you mean. There would be an abundance of foundation: (a) Chauvin is in the very same position relative to someone's neck as he had been with Floyd; (b) the effect of being in such a position is what the whole trial is about; (c) the witness in the courtroom on whose neck Chauvin kneeled would be testifying about the effect of being in such a position; and (d) the witness would have actual knowledge of the effect of being in such a position.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240412)



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Date: April 7th, 2021 11:36 PM
Author: contagious lime kitchen jew

I’m not explaining this any further. I can only do one or two back and forths on this. Look it up. See if you can figure it out yourself. I bet you can(‘t).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240430)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 12:10 AM
Author: Arousing shivering plaza tattoo

You seem like an abject idiot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240543)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 12:23 AM
Author: Plum Casino

no, he's just beta and sanction cucked. if I knew the knee restraint was flame, I would absolutely do everything in could to make that point to the jury to save my guy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240581)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 12:31 AM
Author: contagious lime kitchen jew

Good attys risk sanctions on occasion. But this is not that. By any measure or on any level. You don’t do something dumb w no payoff and no chance of success w multiple downsides. I can’t explain it any more.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240598)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 1:25 AM
Author: Arousing shivering plaza tattoo

Hint: the foundation for eyewitness testimony is "I was there"

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hth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240710)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 9:55 AM
Author: Plum Casino

Exactly. The "there" is underneath Chauvin's knee.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42241610)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 12:19 AM
Author: vibrant twinkling uncleanness

But you can’t I ring the bell, friend.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240569)



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Date: April 7th, 2021 11:37 PM
Author: Frum hyperactive orchestra pit

"objection your honor this would help the defendant win!"

ljl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240433)



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Date: April 7th, 2021 11:48 PM
Author: contagious lime kitchen jew

If this were proposed it would be denied 10 times out of ten. Because every real life atty knows this, it would also possibly be sanctionable. There is no way to have an adequate foundation under the hypothetical as presented. Every atty trying the case knows as much and it isn’t even a Hail Mary.

Bringing this dumb idea up or proposing it risks a mistrial. More realistically it would be corrected by instruction by A now visibly pissed off judge and the prosecutors would be sure to flip the script on the argument in closing.

I think you are trolling jurisprudence or more likely you just don’t try jury cases.

Anyway, so now I’m going to get a bunch of retard takes rife w straw arguments and misunderstanding of what evidence is etc.

sure op, your a goddamn legal genius and they should have you trying the case. In fact, your technique here could work every single time. Wow.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240459)



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Date: April 7th, 2021 11:51 PM
Author: Plum Casino

it is telling that no one has actually tried to refute my argument about foundation, as opposed to just saying it's too unconventional, idiosyncratic, etc. remember, this dude's freedom is on the line, and there is a simple experiment that can be done that will shed light on the salient issue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240472)



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Date: April 7th, 2021 11:51 PM
Author: contagious lime kitchen jew

Yeah. You are right. You are a goddamn genius. Well done.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240474)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 10:37 AM
Author: misunderstood reading party

This frustration you’re feeling in this subthread, where you’re asking yourself “how can this guy be so stupid, really, is he just playing dumb to troll me ...”

yeah this is exactly what everyone else on the bort experiences when trying to engage with you on pretty much any topic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42241799)



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Date: April 7th, 2021 11:58 PM
Author: green church

Lmao this is spaceporn.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240498)



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Date: April 7th, 2021 11:19 PM
Author: contagious lime kitchen jew

All correct.

Also obj to foundation in this hypo. It’s an o I one objection that would have to be made and sustained.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240352)



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Date: April 7th, 2021 3:40 AM
Author: Soul-stirring garrison



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42235256)



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Date: April 6th, 2021 10:16 PM
Author: Flesh hominid

COPS HAVE KILLED FOLKS JUST BY KNEELING ON THE BACK WHILE THEY ARE HANDCUFFED.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8nLMeyejOM&t=1037s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42234177)



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Date: April 6th, 2021 10:23 PM
Author: Hyperventilating senate

It would be wild if OP's insane idiotic scheme were permitted and Chauvin killed ANOTHER guy, and then they had to have a second murder trial INSIDE of the first murder trial.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42234210)



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Date: April 6th, 2021 10:24 PM
Author: Plum Casino

There would be immunity for the second killing under the litigation privilege

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42234213)



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Date: April 6th, 2021 10:29 PM
Author: Hyperventilating senate

Maybe could get a mistrial on the basis that the jury was prejudiced after watching the defendant murder a dude in cold blood right in the courtroom.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42234245)



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Date: April 6th, 2021 10:33 PM
Author: Plum Casino

but but but defensebro opened the door

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42234267)



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Date: April 7th, 2021 11:35 PM
Author: 180 background story

How to THINK like a lawyer!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240422)



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Date: April 7th, 2021 11:20 PM
Author: Frum hyperactive orchestra pit

legit loled

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240356)



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Date: April 7th, 2021 11:21 PM
Author: shimmering jet-lagged church building



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240360)



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Date: April 7th, 2021 11:53 PM
Author: Opaque lascivious fortuitous meteor area



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240479)



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Date: April 7th, 2021 3:23 AM
Author: Splenetic Address Skinny Woman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42235240)



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Date: April 7th, 2021 3:24 AM
Author: Mind-boggling twinkling water buffalo space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42235243)



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Date: April 7th, 2021 11:08 PM
Author: Plum Casino

Haha, this is the only way to ensure that Chauvin doesn't die in prison, and you think it is "insane idiotic." the whole trial is centered on the question of whether Chauvin's position relative to a person's neck/back affects breathing; and you are saying it would be "insane idiotic" to re-enact that scenario in court so that its actual effect could be explained through testimony. You think it was "insane idiotic" for OJ's lawyers to ask him to try on the glove?!?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240310)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 1:50 AM
Author: Arousing shivering plaza tattoo

The whole trial is centered on whether Chauvin's hold is so outside the scope of his law enforcement duties that it constitutes felony assault. Felony assault causing death = second degree murder.

Your point has more to do with the known likelihood of death from his actions w/r/t the third-degree murder count. If his actions were not "calculated to put the lives of others in jeopardy . . . evincing a mind depraved and regardless of human life [such as that] malice . . . might be inferred from the perpetration of such an act," State v. Weltz, 155 Minn. 143, 145-46 (1923), then it isn't DHM/Murder-3.

While your point is relevant and well-taken, it pertains solely to the late-added charge. It's a stretch to say the whole trial is centered on it.

(I may be the only person on the board to have litigated DHM -- got no PC on it at preliminary hearing, client ended up pleading guilty to invol m/s and got less than five years.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240757)



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Date: April 7th, 2021 11:16 PM
Author: boyish saffron philosopher-king boltzmann

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240340)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 1:38 AM
Author: dull lay



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240740)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 10:07 AM
Author: Charismatic umber elastic band dilemma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42241670)



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Date: April 6th, 2021 10:33 PM
Author: French Supple Spot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42234270)



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Date: April 7th, 2021 12:34 AM
Author: Arousing shivering plaza tattoo

Should have had Mercil demonstrate on the defense attorney based on the timeline in the photos (most of which don't show a neck restraint).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42234899)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 1:30 AM
Author: Pungent canary cuckoldry

Fuck that's pretty good

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240729)



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Date: April 7th, 2021 11:54 PM
Author: hateful stock car

the trial should last 10 minutes with chauvin being held down -- if he pops right back up he should walk; if he dies, that saves everyone the trouble of sending him 2 jail.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240485)



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Date: April 7th, 2021 11:58 PM
Author: vermilion haunting rigpig stain

there is something to this

when you get "blood choked", you don't let it passively happen. you fight it. that may be just pulling at the arm choking you, but if you have a knee on your neck doing it, you will not just sit by idly and let it knock you out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240497)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 12:06 AM
Author: contagious lime kitchen jew

Are you an autism bro? Not being smart or disagreeing w u, just curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240528)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 12:39 AM
Author: vermilion haunting rigpig stain

i'll get back to you when i'm done stimming.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240610)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 12:44 AM
Author: contagious lime kitchen jew



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240625)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 12:01 AM
Author: contagious lime kitchen jew

Cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240509)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 12:17 AM
Author: trip bat shit crazy nowag love of her life

(Essex County Massachusetts District Attorney)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240562)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 10:02 AM
Author: Mind-boggling twinkling water buffalo space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42241639)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 12:32 AM
Author: Galvanic Masturbator

YOU CAN STAND ME UP AT THE GATES OF HELL

BUT I WON'T BACK DOWN

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240602)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 1:41 AM
Author: Heady Gas Station Affirmative Action

i will only allow this if it's the mousy/milfy female prosecutor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42240743)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 9:58 AM
Author: translucent cerebral depressive famous landscape painting

if the knee don't choke, you must revoke

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4804927&forum_id=2#42241625)