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Watching bits of actual trial and then watching media coverage of Chauvin trial

Leads to only one reasonable conclusion: The America medi...
Unholy brunch
  04/08/21
Enemies of the people.
emerald laughsome sandwich principal's office
  04/08/21
...
soul-stirring double fault ticket booth
  04/08/21
Who owns the "media"? Hello.
cerebral dilemma cuckold
  04/08/21
The same thing happened with the Zimmerman trial
180 turdskin
  04/08/21
This seems worse and more malicious
Unholy brunch
  04/08/21
agreed
Boyish trump supporter
  04/08/21
nothing can flimflam the ZimZam
bateful mischievous tank
  04/08/21
can't simmer the zimmer
fantasy-prone wonderful ceo
  04/08/21
Mess with George, fall in a gorge.
lascivious mint plaza boiling water
  04/08/21
violent civil wars are the worst kind
bateful mischievous tank
  04/08/21
Second only to stale schticks
Unholy brunch
  04/08/21
absolutely devastating
blue hissy fit
  04/08/21
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ocher galvanic native
  04/08/21
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Unholy brunch
  04/08/21
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Passionate multi-billionaire
  04/08/21
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soul-stirring double fault ticket booth
  04/08/21
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lascivious mint plaza boiling water
  04/08/21
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bateful mischievous tank
  04/08/21
Agreed. No other conclusion is possible. Many, many “j...
crimson whorehouse fat ankles
  04/08/21
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Unholy brunch
  04/08/21
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peach judgmental cruise ship codepig
  04/08/21
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Passionate multi-billionaire
  04/08/21
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soul-stirring double fault ticket booth
  04/08/21
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Unholy brunch
  04/08/21
Give examples. The coverage seems fair to me.
poppy beady-eyed hairy legs haunted graveyard
  04/08/21
(Obeezy)
obsidian glittery keepsake machete weed whacker
  04/08/21
No, but xo frequently complains about "biased" med...
poppy beady-eyed hairy legs haunted graveyard
  04/08/21
What is the insane conspiracy theory in this case?
obsidian glittery keepsake machete weed whacker
  04/08/21
That the guy caught on tape murdering a dude will only be co...
poppy beady-eyed hairy legs haunted graveyard
  04/08/21
lol ok
obsidian glittery keepsake machete weed whacker
  04/08/21
State your iq
Lake Feces
  04/08/21
Have you actually watched any parts of the trial or are you ...
Unholy brunch
  04/08/21
Liberals on this board are so staggeringly fucking stupid, j...
Umber Hell
  04/08/21
Some get paid, some are just true believers
Multi-colored Burgundy Meetinghouse Pisswyrm
  04/08/21
Spent about 10mins flipping between CNN and MSNBC coverage l...
Unholy brunch
  04/08/21
lol @ supporting a cop, a member of the elite's bully boys, ...
misanthropic mexican casino
  04/08/21
No one thinks that irl. The coverage I have seen appears on ...
disgusting self-absorbed foreskin
  04/08/21
Have you watched the unfiltered coverage or just the selecti...
Unholy brunch
  04/08/21
Let’s see how accurate your assessment is. Time will ...
disgusting self-absorbed foreskin
  04/08/21
sure, but this thread wasn't about predicting the outcome - ...
Unholy brunch
  04/08/21
You are talking to spaceporn, don’t bother
citrine dingle berry
  04/08/21
goddamnit, why is that faggot still poasting?
Unholy brunch
  04/08/21
A pathological obsession with this place
citrine dingle berry
  04/08/21
That's a great moniker
House-broken Pearl Round Eye Skinny Woman
  04/08/21
...
Unholy brunch
  04/08/21
...
soul-stirring double fault ticket booth
  04/08/21
Yeah but the jury doesn’t see any of that. So my poast...
disgusting self-absorbed foreskin
  04/08/21
you are a fucking retard - this thread was about the public'...
Unholy brunch
  04/08/21
No it was about how the media is distorting things to make i...
disgusting self-absorbed foreskin
  04/08/21
Your response?
disgusting self-absorbed foreskin
  04/08/21
step away from your son, reread the OP, then come back you f...
Unholy brunch
  04/08/21
So no response then. Take your retard-tier shit to Reddit
disgusting self-absorbed foreskin
  04/08/21
your purposefully obtuse schtick doesn't merit a substantive...
Unholy brunch
  04/08/21
I literally just pointed out that if you are right in your a...
disgusting self-absorbed foreskin
  04/08/21
THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT THE JURY YOU MOUTHBREATHING PEDO RE...
Unholy brunch
  04/08/21
You are so retarded you can’t track basic logic or rea...
disgusting self-absorbed foreskin
  04/08/21
get the fuck out of my thread, pedotard
Unholy brunch
  04/08/21
You are a moron who just got blown the fuck out. When chauvi...
disgusting self-absorbed foreskin
  04/08/21
OUT SATAN
Unholy brunch
  04/08/21
stop poasting your dumb shit if you can’t stand basic ...
disgusting self-absorbed foreskin
  04/08/21
THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU, DEMON
Unholy brunch
  04/08/21
You are so dumb you’ve been modded off every single mo...
disgusting self-absorbed foreskin
  04/08/21
Tell us more about Floyd's "blocked windpipe" befo...
beta razzmatazz associate background story
  04/08/21
“It was only partly blocked, not fully blocked” ...
disgusting self-absorbed foreskin
  04/08/21
Lol as you are the only person I've seen say this, agreed.
beta razzmatazz associate background story
  04/09/21
MSNBC is going with "Pulmonologist captivates jury"...
dashing piazza lettuce
  04/08/21
The Irishman? lol Americans really are suckered by foreign a...
Unholy brunch
  04/08/21
that guy was a snoozefest
Boyish trump supporter
  04/08/21
media control over public opinion is insane
Boyish trump supporter
  04/08/21
"Media" is just a bunch of global boardroom execs ...
titillating son of senegal center
  04/08/21


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Date: April 8th, 2021 2:32 AM
Author: Unholy brunch

Leads to only one reasonable conclusion:

The America media is actively trying to stoke a violent civil war in this country. Their coverage is literally nothing but lies meant to prime the country to believe an acquittal is due to racism.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42240804)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 6:04 PM
Author: emerald laughsome sandwich principal's office

Enemies of the people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42244413)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 8:02 PM
Author: soul-stirring double fault ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42245004)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 9:20 PM
Author: cerebral dilemma cuckold

Who owns the "media"? Hello.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42245426)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 2:36 AM
Author: 180 turdskin

The same thing happened with the Zimmerman trial

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42240806)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 2:37 AM
Author: Unholy brunch

This seems worse and more malicious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42240808)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 7:03 PM
Author: Boyish trump supporter

agreed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42244692)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 2:39 AM
Author: bateful mischievous tank

nothing can flimflam the ZimZam

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42240809)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 6:03 PM
Author: fantasy-prone wonderful ceo

can't simmer the zimmer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42244410)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 11:20 PM
Author: lascivious mint plaza boiling water

Mess with George, fall in a gorge.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42246159)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 2:39 AM
Author: bateful mischievous tank

violent civil wars are the worst kind

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42240811)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 2:40 AM
Author: Unholy brunch

Second only to stale schticks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42240813)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 8:43 AM
Author: blue hissy fit

absolutely devastating

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42241328)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 7:13 PM
Author: ocher galvanic native



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42244746)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 7:17 PM
Author: Unholy brunch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42244766)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 7:59 PM
Author: Passionate multi-billionaire



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42244986)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 8:02 PM
Author: soul-stirring double fault ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42245005)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 11:21 PM
Author: lascivious mint plaza boiling water



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42246161)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 2:51 AM
Author: bateful mischievous tank

Post removed by moderator for violating The Law of The Land.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42240835)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 2:52 AM
Author: crimson whorehouse fat ankles

Agreed. No other conclusion is possible. Many, many “journalists” need to hang.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42240840)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 2:54 AM
Author: Unholy brunch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42240842)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 8:30 AM
Author: peach judgmental cruise ship codepig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42241284)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 5:54 PM
Author: Passionate multi-billionaire



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42244369)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 8:02 PM
Author: soul-stirring double fault ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42245006)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 8:29 AM
Author: Unholy brunch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42241280)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 8:31 AM
Author: poppy beady-eyed hairy legs haunted graveyard

Give examples. The coverage seems fair to me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42241287)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 8:32 AM
Author: obsidian glittery keepsake machete weed whacker

(Obeezy)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42241289)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 8:34 AM
Author: poppy beady-eyed hairy legs haunted graveyard

No, but xo frequently complains about "biased" media when the media doesn't push whatever insane conspiracy theory xo has latched on to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42241295)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 8:42 AM
Author: obsidian glittery keepsake machete weed whacker

What is the insane conspiracy theory in this case?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42241325)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 8:46 AM
Author: poppy beady-eyed hairy legs haunted graveyard

That the guy caught on tape murdering a dude will only be convicted because "the fix is in."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42241337)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 8:52 AM
Author: obsidian glittery keepsake machete weed whacker

lol ok

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42241348)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 8:53 AM
Author: Lake Feces

State your iq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42241351)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 7:04 PM
Author: Unholy brunch

Have you actually watched any parts of the trial or are you just going off CNN? Genuinely asking because your perceptions of this trial don't seem based on what's actually happening in the courtroom.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42244694)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 8:03 PM
Author: Umber Hell

Liberals on this board are so staggeringly fucking stupid, jesus christ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42245010)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 9:31 PM
Author: Multi-colored Burgundy Meetinghouse Pisswyrm

Some get paid, some are just true believers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42245519)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 7:03 PM
Author: Unholy brunch

Spent about 10mins flipping between CNN and MSNBC coverage last night.

Despite major developments in the trail itself, particularly the implosion of two of the government's expert witnesses, they didn't even mention it. Their "coverage" was 10minutes of the Floyd family attorney railing against "systemic racism in the courts" and how he was confident that a conviction was coming. The family attorney kept repeating the lie that Floyd had no oxygen for 450 seconds despite the fact that was debunked by the state's own expert.

MSNBC had some old dinosaur prosecutor from New York on proclaiming that a conviction was virtually guaranteed because Chauvin's knee was on Floyd's neck. This again despite the fact that the state's own witness stated his knee was on his shoulder and back near the neck.

This is the kind of irresponsible journalism that promotes violence and looting by the retards of the world. Their only sources of information tell them that a conviction is guaranteed, so they are of course shocked (and turn violent) when defendants are acquitted.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42244689)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 9:13 AM
Author: misanthropic mexican casino

lol @ supporting a cop, a member of the elite's bully boys, the same elites who forced racial integration down our throats and who have made us 2nd class citizens under the law, all enforced by the police bully boys...

fucking fools...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42241399)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 6:02 PM
Author: disgusting self-absorbed foreskin

No one thinks that irl. The coverage I have seen appears on track without any spin or lying. It’s a straightforward coverage of the testimony at trial. And it doesn’t look good for chauvin and the jury seems engaged for the most part and actively listening.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42244407)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 7:05 PM
Author: Unholy brunch

Have you watched the unfiltered coverage or just the selectively edited segments on CNN/MSNBC/CBS/FOX/etc? Genuinely asking, because I was watching hour long clips of the state's expert witnesses yesterday and it was brutal for the government.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42244705)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 7:10 PM
Author: disgusting self-absorbed foreskin

Let’s see how accurate your assessment is. Time will tell.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42244735)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 7:16 PM
Author: Unholy brunch

sure, but this thread wasn't about predicting the outcome - it was about the criminally irresponsible media coverage that doesn't even bother to acknowledge there are two sides in every trial.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42244763)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 7:32 PM
Author: citrine dingle berry

You are talking to spaceporn, don’t bother

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42244837)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 7:33 PM
Author: Unholy brunch

goddamnit, why is that faggot still poasting?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42244843)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 7:40 PM
Author: citrine dingle berry

A pathological obsession with this place

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42244891)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 8:00 PM
Author: House-broken Pearl Round Eye Skinny Woman

That's a great moniker

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42244993)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 9:13 PM
Author: Unholy brunch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42245376)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 8:03 PM
Author: soul-stirring double fault ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42245013)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 7:39 PM
Author: disgusting self-absorbed foreskin

Yeah but the jury doesn’t see any of that. So my poast was pretty much on point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42244887)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 7:41 PM
Author: Unholy brunch

you are a fucking retard - this thread was about the public's perception and reaction to the outcome, not the jury.

You deserve every ounce of abuse you take on here notwithstanding your own proclivities.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42244898)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 7:45 PM
Author: disgusting self-absorbed foreskin

No it was about how the media is distorting things to make it look like chaivin is guilty. So the decision of the jury would have some bearing on this as they are not exposed to media coverage of the trial. Please elaborate on why this doesn’t matter.

If as you say the trial is radicAlly in favor of the defense but the media is trying to start a civil war and is portraying it differently then the outcome of the jury would either support this thesis or not. So I said let’s see.

If you realize you are full of shit, fine. Just don’t be an asshole. Or sub 70 iq.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42244912)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 7:46 PM
Author: disgusting self-absorbed foreskin

Your response?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42244920)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 7:46 PM
Author: Unholy brunch

step away from your son, reread the OP, then come back you fulminating retard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42244922)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 9:17 PM
Author: disgusting self-absorbed foreskin

So no response then. Take your retard-tier shit to Reddit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42245404)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 9:18 PM
Author: Unholy brunch

your purposefully obtuse schtick doesn't merit a substantive response

the rest of the bort seems to agree with this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42245412)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 9:20 PM
Author: disgusting self-absorbed foreskin

I literally just pointed out that if you are right in your assessment the jury will acquit chauvin of all charges you dumb fuck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42245422)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 9:21 PM
Author: Unholy brunch

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT THE JURY YOU MOUTHBREATHING PEDO RETARD.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42245434)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 9:22 PM
Author: disgusting self-absorbed foreskin

You are so retarded you can’t track basic logic or reading comprehension. Please go back to whatever community college you left behind.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42245447)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 9:24 PM
Author: Unholy brunch

get the fuck out of my thread, pedotard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42245466)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 9:25 PM
Author: disgusting self-absorbed foreskin

You are a moron who just got blown the fuck out. When chauvin is convicted let’s revisit this thread you dumb fucker.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42245473)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 9:26 PM
Author: Unholy brunch

OUT SATAN

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42245487)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 9:29 PM
Author: disgusting self-absorbed foreskin

stop poasting your dumb shit if you can’t stand basic reality testing you illiterate jackass.

Also incidentally Satan is for YOU bro. Hes on your side, retard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42245505)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 9:31 PM
Author: Unholy brunch

THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU, DEMON

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42245524)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 9:40 PM
Author: disgusting self-absorbed foreskin

You are so dumb you’ve been modded off every single moderated website you could find. Ljl at your blithering “insights”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42245578)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 9:47 PM
Author: beta razzmatazz associate background story

Tell us more about Floyd's "blocked windpipe" before opining about the fair and balanced media.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42245616)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 11:36 PM
Author: disgusting self-absorbed foreskin

“It was only partly blocked, not fully blocked” bleated the moron

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42246252)



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Date: April 9th, 2021 10:00 AM
Author: beta razzmatazz associate background story

Lol as you are the only person I've seen say this, agreed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42247817)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 7:57 PM
Author: dashing piazza lettuce

MSNBC is going with "Pulmonologist captivates jury"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42244980)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 9:14 PM
Author: Unholy brunch

The Irishman? lol Americans really are suckered by foreign accents.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42245382)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 9:34 PM
Author: Boyish trump supporter

that guy was a snoozefest

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4805761&forum_id=2#42245541)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 9:14 PM
Author: Boyish trump supporter

media control over public opinion is insane

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Date: April 8th, 2021 9:32 PM
Author: titillating son of senegal center

"Media" is just a bunch of global boardroom execs that are looking for ratings, beating earnings, and creating shareholder wealth.

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