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None of this is believable
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Rafael Berlin 1h ago Times Pick I worked at Google, Vo...
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she is writing a book some nerd calling her beautiful is be...
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so she wants to drive this guy to poverty for calling her &q...
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extremely gross that google didn't fire this melvin. like, e...
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Margaret Frances Nietfeld and Byron Thomas Hood are to be ma...
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They could be brother and sister
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Whoa his grandpa invented ziplock bags.
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Her background is extremely problematic: “She is t...
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*one of her moms
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"When I didn’t get a promotion, some of my stock ...
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yes its the latter, they gave her an initial grant of RSUs a...
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How standard is it to refresh them? If you are an average e...
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yes because base salary isnt competitive/'ok' pay for bigtec...
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It’s a way for them to push out people they don’...
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This is really weird to me. My RSUs/PSUs are a set portion ...
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that's how traditional companies operate. bigtech like amazo...
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To be clear, my PSUs/RSUs also vest over 3 years. You get a...
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It's a very bad sign to not have them refreshed at all. A mo...
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Chances she’s a mediocre coder who wouldn’t have...
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After I quit, I promised myself to never love a job again. N...
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Oh the harassment Finally, I agreed that he could call me...
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I was waiting for the other shoe to drop, where she would de...
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She was also apparently rape-raped on a backpacking trip to ...
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I got the impression he just jerked off on her or something
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MY debut memoir.
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Is that all he said? LJL. Is there more to this story?
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You'll have to buy the book to find out!
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MY harasser MY paid leave
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I hope NYT readers know her "meager counteroffer" ...
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if only it was that easy
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4th year engineers make that much? Jfc
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She ended up having to take a higher-paying job at Facebook,...
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Some nebbish guy will probably hit on her there, given that ...
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she's still a 5-6 by tech standards
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does sound creepy
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She probably barely even had to do any work, lol.
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And high heels. I like high heels.
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THERE SHE CODES
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how'd she get a scholarship to harvard undergrad?
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Many such cases.
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And she has no father.
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this is the real issue
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which non fathers
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Date: April 8th, 2021 4:40 PM
Author: Bossy Canary Center

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/07/opinion/google-job-harassment.html

After Working at Google, I’ll Never Let Myself Love a Job Again

I learned the hard way that no publicly traded company is a family.

By Emi Nietfeld

Ms. Nietfeld is a software engineer. She worked at Google from 2015 to 2019.

I used to be a Google engineer. That often feels like the defining fact about my life. When I joined the company after college in 2015, it was at the start of a multiyear reign atop Forbes’s list of best workplaces.

I bought into the Google dream completely. In high school, I spent time homeless and in foster care, and was often ostracized for being nerdy. I longed for the prestige of a blue-chip job, the security it would bring and a collegial environment where I would work alongside people as driven as I was.

What I found was a surrogate family. During the week, I ate all my meals at the office. I went to the Google doctor and the Google gym. My colleagues and I piled into Airbnbs on business trips, played volleyball in Maui after a big product launch and even spent weekends together, once paying $170 and driving hours to run an obstacle course in the freezing rain.

My manager felt like the father I wished I’d had. He believed in my potential and cared about my feelings. All I wanted was to keep getting promoted so that as his star rose, we could keep working together. This gave purpose to every task, no matter how grueling or tedious.

Kholood Eid for The New York Times

The few people who’d worked at other companies reminded us that there was nowhere better. I believed them, even when my technical lead — not my manager, but the man in charge of my day-to-day work — addressed me as “beautiful” and “gorgeous,” even after I asked him to stop. (Finally, I agreed that he could call me “my queen.”) He used many of our one-on-one meetings to ask me to set him up with friends, then said he wanted “A blonde. A tall blonde.” Someone who looked like me.

Saying anything about his behavior meant challenging the story we told ourselves about Google being so special. The company anticipated our every need — nap pods, massage chairs, Q-Tips in the bathroom, a shuttle system to compensate for the Bay Area’s dysfunctional public transportation — until the outside world began to seem hostile. Google was the Garden of Eden; I lived in fear of being cast out.

When I talked to outsiders about the harassment, they couldn’t understand: I had one of the sexiest jobs in the world. How bad could it be? I asked myself this, too. I worried that I was taking things personally and that if anyone knew I was upset, they’d think I wasn’t tough enough to hack it in our intense environment.

So I didn’t tell my manager about my tech lead’s behavior for more than a year. Playing along felt like the price of inclusion. I spoke up only when it looked like he would become an official manager — my manager — replacing the one I adored and wielding even more power over me. At least four other women said that he’d made them uncomfortable, in addition to two senior engineers who already made it clear that they wouldn’t work with him.

As soon as my complaint with H.R. was filed, Google went from being a great workplace to being any other company: It would protect itself first. I’d structured my life around my job — exactly what they wanted me to do — but that only made the fallout worse when I learned that the workplace that I cherished considered me just an employee, one of many and disposable.

The process stretched out for nearly three months. In the meantime I had to have one-on-one meetings with my harasser and sit next to him. Every time I asked for an update on the timeline and expressed my discomfort at having to continue to work in proximity to my harasser, the investigators said that I could seek counseling, work from home or go on leave. I later learned that Google had similar responses to other employees who reported racism or sexism. Claire Stapleton, one of the 2018 walkout organizers, was encouraged to take leave, and Timnit Gebru, a lead researcher on Google’s Ethical AI team, was encouraged to seek mental health care before being forced out.

I resisted. How would being alone by myself all day, apart from my colleagues, friends and support system, possibly help? And I feared that if I stepped away, the company wouldn’t continue the investigation.

Eventually, the investigators corroborated my claims and found my tech lead violated the Code of Conduct and the policy against harassment. My harasser still sat next to me. My manager told me H.R. wouldn’t even make him change his desk, let alone work from home or go on leave. He also told me that my harasser received a consequence that was severe and that I would feel better if I could know what it was, but it sure seemed like nothing happened.

The aftermath of speaking up had broken me down. It dredged up the betrayals of my past that I’d gone into tech trying to overcome. I’d made myself vulnerable to my manager and the investigators but felt I got nothing solid in return. I was constantly on edge from seeing my harasser in the hallways and at the cafes. When people came up behind my desk, I startled more and more easily, my scream echoing across the open-floor-plan office. I worried I’d get a poor performance review, ruining my upward trajectory and setting my career back even further.

I went weeks without sleeping through the night.

I decided to take three months of paid leave. I feared that going on leave would set me back for promotion in a place where almost everyone’s progress is public and seen as a measure of an engineer’s worth and expertise. Like most of my colleagues, I’d built my life around the company. It could so easily be taken away. People on leave weren’t supposed to enter the office — where I went to the gym and had my entire social life.

Fortunately, I still had a job when I got back. If anything, I was more eager than ever to excel, to make up for lost time. I was able to earn a very high performance rating — my second in a row. But it seemed clear I would not be a candidate for promotion. After my leave, the manager I loved started treating me as fragile. He tried to analyze me, suggesting that I drank too much caffeine, didn’t sleep enough or needed more cardiovascular exercise. Speaking out irreparably damaged one of my most treasured relationships. Six months after my return, when I broached the subject of promotion, he told me, “People in wood houses shouldn’t light matches.”

When I didn’t get a promotion, some of my stock grants ran out and so I effectively took a big pay cut. Nevertheless, I wanted to stay at Google. I still believed, despite everything, that Google was the best company in the world. Now I see that my judgment was clouded, but after years of idolizing my workplace, I couldn’t imagine life beyond its walls.

So I interviewed with and got offers from two other top tech companies, hoping that Google would match. In response, Google offered me slightly more money than I was making, but it was still significantly less than my competing offers. I was told that the Google finance office calculated what I was worth to the company. I couldn’t help thinking that this calculus included the complaint I’d filed and the time I’d taken off as a consequence.

I felt I had no choice but to leave, this time for good. Google’s meager counteroffer was final proof that this job was just a job and that I’d be more valued if I went elsewhere.

After I quit, I promised myself to never love a job again. Not in the way I loved Google. Not with the devotion businesses wish to inspire when they provide for employees’ most basic needs like food and health care and belonging. No publicly traded company is a family. I fell for the fantasy that it could be.

So I took a role at a firm to which I felt no emotional attachment. I like my colleagues, but I’ve never met them in person. I found my own doctor; I cook my own food. My manager is 26 — too young for me to expect any parental warmth from him. When people ask me how I feel about my new position, I shrug: It’s a job.

Emi Nietfeld is a software engineer in New York City and the author of a forthcoming memoir, “Acceptance.” She is working on a book about her time at Google.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42243949)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 4:43 PM
Author: lime police squad blood rage

None of this is believable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42243976)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 4:45 PM
Author: Bossy Canary Center

Rafael

Berlin

1h ago

Times Pick

I worked at Google, Volkswagen, Uber, before I founded my own companies. A few thoughts, also from the perspective of a company owner today with 1,000+ employees.

a) Obviously, Google has a problem with HR complaints. It's a big company. They need to improve. It's bad for them.

b) But aren't many things she describes a bit naive? Dream employer? Manager as a father figure? She also barely worked there, starting in 2015.

c) So, there is a naive young woman, and then a co-worker behaves badly. An HR complaint reveals a violation, and he is punished (which means in management that chances are he will leave the company eventually). What else did you expect? Even if you file this at court, almost nothing would happen, right?

d) Finally, she goes public in an international newspaper so that now everybody at Google is glad that she left because it proves that this naive, junior co-worker seems to be a troublemaker that seeks attention, even if everybody believes what she says.

It's good that she realized that Google is just a job. I'm receiving every now and then HR complaints like this. It happens. Usually, it works like a court where you ask yourself whether the employee is a repeater, and how serious the case is. I'm less tolerant in this regard, and as an owner, my word has more weight, so we handle it differently. However, such cases happen, usually to managers or old employees who are hiding their predatory behavior.

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Date: April 8th, 2021 4:49 PM
Author: Dark thriller space

she is writing a book

some nerd calling her beautiful is believable I guess, but ultimately who cares? Why is this a story? There is a fundamental disconnect between the whole "GRRRRRR, I am WOMYN hear me roar? I Can do anything a man can do and do it BETTER" shit we are bombarded with constantly and this narrative of how fragile women are that they can't bear being hit on at work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42244005)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 4:51 PM
Author: appetizing immigrant partner

thoughts and prayers for the woman who was told she was beautiful by an ugly guy. no one should have to undergo such trauma.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42244013)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 4:52 PM
Author: Dark thriller space



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Date: April 8th, 2021 4:52 PM
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Date: April 8th, 2021 5:04 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac insecure therapy



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Date: April 8th, 2021 5:07 PM
Author: Ultramarine thirsty sanctuary scourge upon the earth



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Date: April 8th, 2021 5:07 PM
Author: Bat shit crazy honey-headed party of the first part stage



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Date: April 8th, 2021 5:34 PM
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Date: April 8th, 2021 4:52 PM
Author: claret insane garrison fortuitous meteor

so she wants to drive this guy to poverty for calling her "beautiful" and is surprised her company doesn't share her inflated sense of self-value? embarrassing that this got published.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42244020)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 4:54 PM
Author: appetizing immigrant partner

extremely gross that google didn't fire this melvin. like, ew, why should he have the right to be ugly and talk to a woman? he was almost certainly short, too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42244039)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 5:10 PM
Author: Ultramarine thirsty sanctuary scourge upon the earth



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Date: April 8th, 2021 4:57 PM
Author: fiercely-loyal shitlib

Margaret Frances Nietfeld and Byron Thomas Hood are to be married June 24 in Minneapolis. Corinna R. Bosworth, a Universal Life minister, is to officiate at Bauhaus Brew Labs, a brewpub.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/24/fashion/weddings/emi-nietfeld-byron-hood.html

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Date: April 8th, 2021 4:59 PM
Author: Dark thriller space

They could be brother and sister

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Date: April 8th, 2021 5:11 PM
Author: Federal haunted graveyard friendly grandma

Whoa his grandpa invented ziplock bags.

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Date: April 8th, 2021 5:14 PM
Author: mahogany odious tank

lmao not flame

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Date: April 8th, 2021 5:55 PM
Author: Well-lubricated theater stage

Her background is extremely problematic:

“She is the daughter of Rosella G. Stow and Theresa J. Nietfeld, both of Minneapolis. Ms. Stow retired as a crime-scene photographer for the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension in St. Paul.”

Her mom literally put photos of George Floyd being killed on Instagram!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42244372)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 10:49 PM
Author: Bat-shit-crazy Chapel Stain

*one of her moms

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Date: April 9th, 2021 1:39 AM
Author: fiercely-loyal shitlib



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Date: April 9th, 2021 10:06 AM
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Date: April 8th, 2021 5:07 PM
Author: Ultramarine thirsty sanctuary scourge upon the earth

"When I didn’t get a promotion, some of my stock grants ran out and so I effectively took a big pay cut."

Can someone explain this? They grant you stock but then it goes away if you fail to get promoted?

Or I guess the RSUs she was granted when she joined finally finished vesting, and her salary hadn't increased enough by then to make up for the "shortfall" of not getting the vested portion each year anymore? Seems like a dishonest way of putting it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42244112)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 6:04 PM
Author: claret insane garrison fortuitous meteor

yes its the latter, they gave her an initial grant of RSUs and did not refresh them when they ran out because she was a shitty employee they dont care about losing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42244415)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 6:54 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring crackhouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42244639)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 7:54 PM
Author: Ultramarine thirsty sanctuary scourge upon the earth

How standard is it to refresh them? If you are an average employee doing an ok job but not getting big promotions, do they get refreshed?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42244961)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 8:09 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring crackhouse

yes because base salary isnt competitive/'ok' pay for bigtech

not getting any more stock = you suck, time to leave before you get fired.

getting some stock = ur doing ok, stick around

getting lots = ur a perfect GC cog, we luv u

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42245034)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 9:16 PM
Author: Ultramarine thirsty sanctuary scourge upon the earth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42245403)



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Date: April 9th, 2021 10:22 AM
Author: Sooty beady-eyed kitchen alpha

It’s a way for them to push out people they don’t want. Doesn’t mean you are awful but it does mean they think they could replace you with someone cheaper and who might be a star

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42247937)



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Date: April 9th, 2021 2:18 PM
Author: High-end Pearly Business Firm

This is really weird to me. My RSUs/PSUs are a set portion of my salary based on my career band. AFAIK, that's fairly standard. I don't need a promotion to get anything.

I think what she really meant is that you need to get a decent performance rating (be in "good standing") with the company. If you get put on a PIP I think you get nothing. That's what I'm guessing happened.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42249660)



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Date: April 9th, 2021 2:26 PM
Author: claret insane garrison fortuitous meteor

that's how traditional companies operate. bigtech like amazon/google gives you a four year grant of RSUs when you start which vest over a defined schedule. if they like your work, they'll refresh the shares at some point to keep your total comp in line with your expectations after the initial grant runs out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42249701)



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Date: April 9th, 2021 2:29 PM
Author: High-end Pearly Business Firm

To be clear, my PSUs/RSUs also vest over 3 years. You get a new grant every year. So if you get say, $50k or $100k in PSUs/RSUs, you will only get that full value after 3 years when you'll have 3 overlapping grants.

But the amount of those grants, at least for us, isn't based on you getting a promotion. It is based on you performing well at your current job. If you get a promotion, you'll get a higher grant.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42249718)



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Date: April 9th, 2021 2:30 PM
Author: Adventurous bull headed jap boltzmann



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42249724)



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Date: April 10th, 2021 12:16 AM
Author: Pale free-loading bbw

It's a very bad sign to not have them refreshed at all. A more ambivalent situation is that your signing bonus RSU grants expire after eg 3 years, and they refresh with new RSU grants but it's not as big as the signing bonus, so it's an effective pay cut. (but you should've received feedback on why you haven't been promoted after 4+ years)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42252609)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 5:12 PM
Author: very tactful stead

Chances she’s a mediocre coder who wouldn’t have even gotten an offer to work there as an Asian male?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42244148)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 5:13 PM
Author: mahogany odious tank

After I quit, I promised myself to never love a job again. Not in the way I loved Google. Not with the devotion businesses wish to inspire

holy shit

these sentences man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42244156)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 5:15 PM
Author: boyish turquoise point

Oh the harassment

Finally, I agreed that he could call me “my queen.”

JFC

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42244170)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 5:17 PM
Author: Ultramarine thirsty sanctuary scourge upon the earth

I was waiting for the other shoe to drop, where she would describe how he grabbed her ass at a happy hour or retaliated against her or something, but.... nothing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42244175)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 6:56 PM
Author: Floppy Corn Cake



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42244657)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 11:07 PM
Author: Heady white plaza deer antler



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42246087)



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Date: April 9th, 2021 11:04 AM
Author: boyish turquoise point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42248235)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 5:22 PM
Author: Ultramarine thirsty sanctuary scourge upon the earth

She was also apparently rape-raped on a backpacking trip to Budapest...

https://longreads.com/2019/12/11/self-portrait-as-a-human-interest-story/#more-134478

https://www.eminietfeld.com

I’m at work on a book about my time at Google and the HR investigation that upended my life. I explore the way that, even in an industry as seemingly unemotional as tech, we use our jobs to try and heal our pasts—sometimes to disastrous results.

My debut memoir, Acceptance, follows my journey from foster care and homelessness to Harvard and Silicon Valley. It’s forthcoming from Penguin Press in late 2022.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42244201)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: slippery lay

I got the impression he just jerked off on her or something

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42246046)



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Date: April 9th, 2021 11:20 AM
Author: autistic concupiscible persian field

MY debut memoir.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42248360)



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Date: April 9th, 2021 12:23 PM
Author: supple plum background story

180000000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42248839)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 5:24 PM
Author: Nofapping Chocolate Market Karate

Is that all he said? LJL. Is there more to this story?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42244210)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 5:27 PM
Author: Ultramarine thirsty sanctuary scourge upon the earth

You'll have to buy the book to find out!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42244225)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 6:22 PM
Author: boyish turquoise point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42244502)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 5:34 PM
Author: burgundy hissy fit dog poop

MY harasser

MY paid leave

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42244263)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 5:34 PM
Author: Nofapping Chocolate Market Karate

I hope NYT readers know her "meager counteroffer" was probably $300k+

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42244266)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 5:36 PM
Author: mahogany odious tank

if only it was that easy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42244274)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 5:44 PM
Author: Spectacular bisexual legend office

4th year engineers make that much? Jfc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42244323)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 5:53 PM
Author: Ultramarine thirsty sanctuary scourge upon the earth

She ended up having to take a higher-paying job at Facebook, the horror!

https://www.linkedin.com/in/emi-nietfeld/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42244358)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 6:20 PM
Author: very tactful stead

Some nebbish guy will probably hit on her there, given that she’s a 8 by tech company/engineer standards. Her finding him creepy and needing to tell him no will constitute a second horrifying bout of harassment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42244495)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 11:06 PM
Author: appetizing immigrant partner

she's still a 5-6 by tech standards

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42246082)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 6:53 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring crackhouse

"The few people who’d worked at other companies reminded us that there was nowhere better. I believed them, even when my technical lead — not my manager, but the man in charge of my day-to-day work — addressed me as “beautiful” and “gorgeous,” even after I asked him to stop. (Finally, I agreed that he could call me “my queen.”) He used many of our one-on-one meetings to ask me to set him up with friends, then said he wanted “A blonde. A tall blonde.” Someone who looked like me."

very pretty....my queen....goregous

guess race of manager

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42244630)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 6:55 PM
Author: Pink vengeful house

bobblehead

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42244644)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 9:20 PM
Author: chartreuse indirect expression windowlicker

does sound creepy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42245425)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 9:21 PM
Author: Ultramarine thirsty sanctuary scourge upon the earth

She probably barely even had to do any work, lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42245435)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 9:22 PM
Author: Flatulent Fragrant Really Tough Guy Lodge

milk truck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42245440)



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Date: April 9th, 2021 10:19 AM
Author: Sooty beady-eyed kitchen alpha

Why would she prefer he call her “my queen”? That’s way more sexual than beautiful. Jfc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42247920)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 6:55 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring crackhouse

so beautiful....my queen

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5b4a699f9d5abb222d1f936a/1617811381773-792BEYM1HRNI2816EBDO/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kApWLAU2bvOxRWvJaBWoQYh7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QHyNOqBUUEtDDsRWrJLTmmV5_8-bAHr7cY_ioNsJS_0e-9ZWbPl4ONK6PK_TbXl-my86oJgu1ZIJJtsMVYNQn/GV5A1956%252B%2525281%252529.jpg?format=500w

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42244646)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 6:55 PM
Author: claret insane garrison fortuitous meteor

milk truk just arrive

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42244653)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 10:23 PM
Author: appetizing immigrant partner

she looks vaguely downs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42245851)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 10:45 PM
Author: pearl sickened university doctorate

cr, looks like her mom's womb spritzed her with tard spray now and then

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42245968)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 7:01 PM
Author: Fuchsia Sandwich

And high heels. I like high heels.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42244681)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 9:10 PM
Author: milky fluffy mood state

The girl obviously has issues.

Let her be. she’s a walking time bomb

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42245365)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 9:13 PM
Author: Flatulent Fragrant Really Tough Guy Lodge

this is what happens when you have a mid to high level salary but no incentive to work hard, losers start thinking hmm how much borderline sexual harassment can I get away with?

try this at a startup

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42245375)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 10:47 PM
Author: milky fluffy mood state

If it’s small, and moving in the right direction, there’s no time for any of this nonsense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42245976)



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Date: April 8th, 2021 10:39 PM
Author: mentally impaired hairraiser marketing idea parlor

THERE SHE CODES

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42245933)



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Date: April 9th, 2021 10:11 AM
Author: shaky library ceo

https://longreads.com/2019/12/11/self-portrait-as-a-human-interest-story/#more-134478

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42247862)



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Date: April 9th, 2021 10:13 AM
Author: Scarlet Soul-stirring Church Building

Ljl at her pining for her manager daddy because she literally had two moms and ljl at this story being an allegory for her relationships with men. I wonder if her Harvard-educated coder husband isn't too autistic to release he's "a job"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42247876)



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Date: April 9th, 2021 10:15 AM
Author: shaky library ceo

how'd she get a scholarship to harvard undergrad?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42247888)



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Date: April 9th, 2021 10:16 AM
Author: slippery lay

Probably elaborate hoax of being "homeless" + backdoor Ivy sport of "rowing"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42247896)



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Date: April 9th, 2021 11:11 AM
Author: Scarlet Soul-stirring Church Building



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42248283)



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Date: April 9th, 2021 11:23 AM
Author: violent parlour

This. The homelessness was probably just her and her two moms having estrogen fuels crazy fights, leading to her leaving home and refusing to go back to her lesbian parents, which ended her up in a foster home for a few months when she was 16 or some s***

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42248386)



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Date: April 9th, 2021 12:03 PM
Author: slippery lay

The two mom thing just puts her app over the top for Ivy admissions. Companies need to filter these people OUT, not in anymore for new hire recruiting. She's a prime example of what top tier "girls who code" are, and she's total garbage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42248688)



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Date: April 9th, 2021 10:17 AM
Author: Sooty beady-eyed kitchen alpha

🚨🚨🚨 Here’s what I think happened:

1. She wanted to move up the google ranks to keep working with her boss

2. Her boss was promoted

3. She was not only not promoted but was told her new boss would be some ugly dork that she always hated and viewed as a rival

4. She suddenly remembered that he made some weird commments to her and reported him to HR in the hopes that it would derail him and get her back to where she wanted

5. It backfired and the manager she liked so much distanced himself from her because he realized it was unprofessional as fuck and a bitch move

6. She was mortified that she reported him and felt weird being around everyone because they all knew what it was really about. She was also strangely upset at google for not taking her side and held it against them

7. Now she doubles down on the story to the NYT, just ljl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42247907)



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Date: April 9th, 2021 11:03 AM
Author: Bossy Canary Center



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42248228)



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Date: April 9th, 2021 11:09 AM
Author: Bat shit crazy honey-headed party of the first part stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42248273)



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Date: April 9th, 2021 11:22 AM
Author: autistic concupiscible persian field

sad!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42248377)



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Date: April 9th, 2021 12:19 PM
Author: fiercely-loyal shitlib

Many such cases.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42248819)



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Date: April 9th, 2021 12:42 PM
Author: Heady white plaza deer antler

180 analysis.

Daddy issues cannot be discounted here, of course, especially given the Two Moms factor.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42248937)



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Date: April 10th, 2021 12:23 AM
Author: apoplectic stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42252629)



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Date: April 10th, 2021 12:32 AM
Author: indigo skinny woman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42252685)



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Date: April 9th, 2021 2:16 PM
Author: High-end Pearly Business Firm

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/24/fashion/weddings/emi-nietfeld-byron-hood.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42249643)



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Date: April 10th, 2021 12:28 AM
Author: Pale free-loading bbw

This is one of those NYT stories that are accidentally deep, for none of the reasons intended.

Her entire attitude is a sad metaphor for how liberalism, spineless conservatism and modernity have conspired to atomize / isolate us and destroy all intermediary institutions - family, community, religion, tradition - she's a perfect feminist symbol, the ultimate realization of the grand project of feminism - a homeless orphaned corporate cog detached from the biology of being a female and wedded to her job, which she looks to for family.

Libs want no intermediary institutions that get in the way of pod-workers who interface only directly with the techno-corporate state

It's sad because she was looking for the things she's been culturally programmed to be ashamed of and disassociate from - wanting a family life / being around family...

The sad irony of the story - she was looking for a family at her corporate job, failed, and alas - there were no other ways to find this elusive, mysterious sense of 'family' she was looking for. If only there were a way for her to find a sense of family

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42252660)



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Date: April 10th, 2021 12:29 AM
Author: apoplectic stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42252672)



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Date: April 10th, 2021 12:32 AM
Author: indigo skinny woman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42252687)



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Date: April 10th, 2021 12:33 AM
Author: Heady white plaza deer antler

And she has no father.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42252694)



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Date: April 10th, 2021 12:34 AM
Author: indigo skinny woman

this is the real issue

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42252701)



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Date: April 10th, 2021 12:42 AM
Author: Heady white plaza deer antler



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42252727)



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Date: April 10th, 2021 12:54 AM
Author: Fear-inspiring crackhouse

which non fathers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42252765)



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Date: April 10th, 2021 12:34 AM
Author: vivacious ebony menage

*puts gun in mouth*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42252697)



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Date: April 10th, 2021 12:37 AM
Author: Ruby talking box office jewess



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4806128&forum_id=2#42252707)