Former Female Google engineer complains about her time working there (NYT)
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Date: April 8th, 2021 4:40 PM Author: Bossy Canary Center
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/07/opinion/google-job-harassment.html
After Working at Google, I’ll Never Let Myself Love a Job Again
I learned the hard way that no publicly traded company is a family.
By Emi Nietfeld
Ms. Nietfeld is a software engineer. She worked at Google from 2015 to 2019.
I used to be a Google engineer. That often feels like the defining fact about my life. When I joined the company after college in 2015, it was at the start of a multiyear reign atop Forbes’s list of best workplaces.
I bought into the Google dream completely. In high school, I spent time homeless and in foster care, and was often ostracized for being nerdy. I longed for the prestige of a blue-chip job, the security it would bring and a collegial environment where I would work alongside people as driven as I was.
What I found was a surrogate family. During the week, I ate all my meals at the office. I went to the Google doctor and the Google gym. My colleagues and I piled into Airbnbs on business trips, played volleyball in Maui after a big product launch and even spent weekends together, once paying $170 and driving hours to run an obstacle course in the freezing rain.
My manager felt like the father I wished I’d had. He believed in my potential and cared about my feelings. All I wanted was to keep getting promoted so that as his star rose, we could keep working together. This gave purpose to every task, no matter how grueling or tedious.
Kholood Eid for The New York Times
The few people who’d worked at other companies reminded us that there was nowhere better. I believed them, even when my technical lead — not my manager, but the man in charge of my day-to-day work — addressed me as “beautiful” and “gorgeous,” even after I asked him to stop. (Finally, I agreed that he could call me “my queen.”) He used many of our one-on-one meetings to ask me to set him up with friends, then said he wanted “A blonde. A tall blonde.” Someone who looked like me.
Saying anything about his behavior meant challenging the story we told ourselves about Google being so special. The company anticipated our every need — nap pods, massage chairs, Q-Tips in the bathroom, a shuttle system to compensate for the Bay Area’s dysfunctional public transportation — until the outside world began to seem hostile. Google was the Garden of Eden; I lived in fear of being cast out.
When I talked to outsiders about the harassment, they couldn’t understand: I had one of the sexiest jobs in the world. How bad could it be? I asked myself this, too. I worried that I was taking things personally and that if anyone knew I was upset, they’d think I wasn’t tough enough to hack it in our intense environment.
So I didn’t tell my manager about my tech lead’s behavior for more than a year. Playing along felt like the price of inclusion. I spoke up only when it looked like he would become an official manager — my manager — replacing the one I adored and wielding even more power over me. At least four other women said that he’d made them uncomfortable, in addition to two senior engineers who already made it clear that they wouldn’t work with him.
As soon as my complaint with H.R. was filed, Google went from being a great workplace to being any other company: It would protect itself first. I’d structured my life around my job — exactly what they wanted me to do — but that only made the fallout worse when I learned that the workplace that I cherished considered me just an employee, one of many and disposable.
The process stretched out for nearly three months. In the meantime I had to have one-on-one meetings with my harasser and sit next to him. Every time I asked for an update on the timeline and expressed my discomfort at having to continue to work in proximity to my harasser, the investigators said that I could seek counseling, work from home or go on leave. I later learned that Google had similar responses to other employees who reported racism or sexism. Claire Stapleton, one of the 2018 walkout organizers, was encouraged to take leave, and Timnit Gebru, a lead researcher on Google’s Ethical AI team, was encouraged to seek mental health care before being forced out.
I resisted. How would being alone by myself all day, apart from my colleagues, friends and support system, possibly help? And I feared that if I stepped away, the company wouldn’t continue the investigation.
Eventually, the investigators corroborated my claims and found my tech lead violated the Code of Conduct and the policy against harassment. My harasser still sat next to me. My manager told me H.R. wouldn’t even make him change his desk, let alone work from home or go on leave. He also told me that my harasser received a consequence that was severe and that I would feel better if I could know what it was, but it sure seemed like nothing happened.
The aftermath of speaking up had broken me down. It dredged up the betrayals of my past that I’d gone into tech trying to overcome. I’d made myself vulnerable to my manager and the investigators but felt I got nothing solid in return. I was constantly on edge from seeing my harasser in the hallways and at the cafes. When people came up behind my desk, I startled more and more easily, my scream echoing across the open-floor-plan office. I worried I’d get a poor performance review, ruining my upward trajectory and setting my career back even further.
I went weeks without sleeping through the night.
I decided to take three months of paid leave. I feared that going on leave would set me back for promotion in a place where almost everyone’s progress is public and seen as a measure of an engineer’s worth and expertise. Like most of my colleagues, I’d built my life around the company. It could so easily be taken away. People on leave weren’t supposed to enter the office — where I went to the gym and had my entire social life.
Fortunately, I still had a job when I got back. If anything, I was more eager than ever to excel, to make up for lost time. I was able to earn a very high performance rating — my second in a row. But it seemed clear I would not be a candidate for promotion. After my leave, the manager I loved started treating me as fragile. He tried to analyze me, suggesting that I drank too much caffeine, didn’t sleep enough or needed more cardiovascular exercise. Speaking out irreparably damaged one of my most treasured relationships. Six months after my return, when I broached the subject of promotion, he told me, “People in wood houses shouldn’t light matches.”
When I didn’t get a promotion, some of my stock grants ran out and so I effectively took a big pay cut. Nevertheless, I wanted to stay at Google. I still believed, despite everything, that Google was the best company in the world. Now I see that my judgment was clouded, but after years of idolizing my workplace, I couldn’t imagine life beyond its walls.
So I interviewed with and got offers from two other top tech companies, hoping that Google would match. In response, Google offered me slightly more money than I was making, but it was still significantly less than my competing offers. I was told that the Google finance office calculated what I was worth to the company. I couldn’t help thinking that this calculus included the complaint I’d filed and the time I’d taken off as a consequence.
I felt I had no choice but to leave, this time for good. Google’s meager counteroffer was final proof that this job was just a job and that I’d be more valued if I went elsewhere.
After I quit, I promised myself to never love a job again. Not in the way I loved Google. Not with the devotion businesses wish to inspire when they provide for employees’ most basic needs like food and health care and belonging. No publicly traded company is a family. I fell for the fantasy that it could be.
So I took a role at a firm to which I felt no emotional attachment. I like my colleagues, but I’ve never met them in person. I found my own doctor; I cook my own food. My manager is 26 — too young for me to expect any parental warmth from him. When people ask me how I feel about my new position, I shrug: It’s a job.
Emi Nietfeld is a software engineer in New York City and the author of a forthcoming memoir, “Acceptance.” She is working on a book about her time at Google.
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Date: April 8th, 2021 4:45 PM Author: Bossy Canary Center
Rafael
Berlin
1h ago
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I worked at Google, Volkswagen, Uber, before I founded my own companies. A few thoughts, also from the perspective of a company owner today with 1,000+ employees.
a) Obviously, Google has a problem with HR complaints. It's a big company. They need to improve. It's bad for them.
b) But aren't many things she describes a bit naive? Dream employer? Manager as a father figure? She also barely worked there, starting in 2015.
c) So, there is a naive young woman, and then a co-worker behaves badly. An HR complaint reveals a violation, and he is punished (which means in management that chances are he will leave the company eventually). What else did you expect? Even if you file this at court, almost nothing would happen, right?
d) Finally, she goes public in an international newspaper so that now everybody at Google is glad that she left because it proves that this naive, junior co-worker seems to be a troublemaker that seeks attention, even if everybody believes what she says.
It's good that she realized that Google is just a job. I'm receiving every now and then HR complaints like this. It happens. Usually, it works like a court where you ask yourself whether the employee is a repeater, and how serious the case is. I'm less tolerant in this regard, and as an owner, my word has more weight, so we handle it differently. However, such cases happen, usually to managers or old employees who are hiding their predatory behavior.
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Date: April 8th, 2021 4:57 PM Author: fiercely-loyal shitlib
Margaret Frances Nietfeld and Byron Thomas Hood are to be married June 24 in Minneapolis. Corinna R. Bosworth, a Universal Life minister, is to officiate at Bauhaus Brew Labs, a brewpub.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/24/fashion/weddings/emi-nietfeld-byron-hood.html
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Date: April 8th, 2021 5:55 PM Author: Well-lubricated theater stage
Her background is extremely problematic:
“She is the daughter of Rosella G. Stow and Theresa J. Nietfeld, both of Minneapolis. Ms. Stow retired as a crime-scene photographer for the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension in St. Paul.”
Her mom literally put photos of George Floyd being killed on Instagram!
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Date: April 8th, 2021 5:07 PM Author: Ultramarine thirsty sanctuary scourge upon the earth
"When I didn’t get a promotion, some of my stock grants ran out and so I effectively took a big pay cut."
Can someone explain this? They grant you stock but then it goes away if you fail to get promoted?
Or I guess the RSUs she was granted when she joined finally finished vesting, and her salary hadn't increased enough by then to make up for the "shortfall" of not getting the vested portion each year anymore? Seems like a dishonest way of putting it.
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Date: April 8th, 2021 8:09 PM Author: Fear-inspiring crackhouse
yes because base salary isnt competitive/'ok' pay for bigtech
not getting any more stock = you suck, time to leave before you get fired.
getting some stock = ur doing ok, stick around
getting lots = ur a perfect GC cog, we luv u
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Date: April 8th, 2021 5:13 PM Author: mahogany odious tank
After I quit, I promised myself to never love a job again. Not in the way I loved Google. Not with the devotion businesses wish to inspire
holy shit
these sentences man
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Date: April 8th, 2021 5:15 PM Author: boyish turquoise point
Oh the harassment
Finally, I agreed that he could call me “my queen.”
JFC
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Date: April 8th, 2021 5:22 PM Author: Ultramarine thirsty sanctuary scourge upon the earth
She was also apparently rape-raped on a backpacking trip to Budapest...
https://longreads.com/2019/12/11/self-portrait-as-a-human-interest-story/#more-134478
https://www.eminietfeld.com
I’m at work on a book about my time at Google and the HR investigation that upended my life. I explore the way that, even in an industry as seemingly unemotional as tech, we use our jobs to try and heal our pasts—sometimes to disastrous results.
My debut memoir, Acceptance, follows my journey from foster care and homelessness to Harvard and Silicon Valley. It’s forthcoming from Penguin Press in late 2022.
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Date: April 8th, 2021 5:34 PM Author: burgundy hissy fit dog poop
MY harasser
MY paid leave
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Date: April 8th, 2021 6:53 PM Author: Fear-inspiring crackhouse
"The few people who’d worked at other companies reminded us that there was nowhere better. I believed them, even when my technical lead — not my manager, but the man in charge of my day-to-day work — addressed me as “beautiful” and “gorgeous,” even after I asked him to stop. (Finally, I agreed that he could call me “my queen.”) He used many of our one-on-one meetings to ask me to set him up with friends, then said he wanted “A blonde. A tall blonde.” Someone who looked like me."
very pretty....my queen....goregous
guess race of manager
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Date: April 8th, 2021 9:10 PM Author: milky fluffy mood state
The girl obviously has issues.
Let her be. she’s a walking time bomb
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Date: April 8th, 2021 9:13 PM Author: Flatulent Fragrant Really Tough Guy Lodge
this is what happens when you have a mid to high level salary but no incentive to work hard, losers start thinking hmm how much borderline sexual harassment can I get away with?
try this at a startup
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Date: April 9th, 2021 10:17 AM Author: Sooty beady-eyed kitchen alpha
🚨🚨🚨 Here’s what I think happened:
1. She wanted to move up the google ranks to keep working with her boss
2. Her boss was promoted
3. She was not only not promoted but was told her new boss would be some ugly dork that she always hated and viewed as a rival
4. She suddenly remembered that he made some weird commments to her and reported him to HR in the hopes that it would derail him and get her back to where she wanted
5. It backfired and the manager she liked so much distanced himself from her because he realized it was unprofessional as fuck and a bitch move
6. She was mortified that she reported him and felt weird being around everyone because they all knew what it was really about. She was also strangely upset at google for not taking her side and held it against them
7. Now she doubles down on the story to the NYT, just ljl
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Date: April 10th, 2021 12:28 AM Author: Pale free-loading bbw
This is one of those NYT stories that are accidentally deep, for none of the reasons intended.
Her entire attitude is a sad metaphor for how liberalism, spineless conservatism and modernity have conspired to atomize / isolate us and destroy all intermediary institutions - family, community, religion, tradition - she's a perfect feminist symbol, the ultimate realization of the grand project of feminism - a homeless orphaned corporate cog detached from the biology of being a female and wedded to her job, which she looks to for family.
Libs want no intermediary institutions that get in the way of pod-workers who interface only directly with the techno-corporate state
It's sad because she was looking for the things she's been culturally programmed to be ashamed of and disassociate from - wanting a family life / being around family...
The sad irony of the story - she was looking for a family at her corporate job, failed, and alas - there were no other ways to find this elusive, mysterious sense of 'family' she was looking for. If only there were a way for her to find a sense of family
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