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Super senior associate. What’s next?

I’m a super senior lit associate. No business developm...
Arousing Generalized Bond Tanning Salon
  04/12/21
Retire.
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  04/13/21
associate emeritus
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Unhelpful. I already have a wife and a kid and following thi...
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That’s great, bro, this is an excellent outcome for li...
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good news op, the death thing was just a joke AND we learned...
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You will be subtly insulted and demeaned until you leave
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No law firms have realized there is no amount of insults or ...
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“Subtle” here means “no big deal” Ri...
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Become a partner.
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Pray for of counsel and that’s basically it. There are...
Mind-boggling splenetic crackhouse
  04/12/21
How urgent? My reviews are good. I have some potential AUSA...
Arousing Generalized Bond Tanning Salon
  04/12/21
haven't you saved up enough money by now? what's wrong with...
bronze titillating roast beef
  04/12/21
What’s “enough money”? What’s my ki...
Arousing Generalized Bond Tanning Salon
  04/12/21
if you've been in BIGLAW for like what 10 years (what does s...
bronze titillating roast beef
  04/12/21
I clerked twice (district court and court of appeals). So no...
Arousing Generalized Bond Tanning Salon
  04/12/21
Move to texas
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  04/13/21
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exhilarant spruce liquid oxygen
  04/13/21
Move to smaller firm
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  04/12/21
Can I wait to see how biglol turns out to do that? I imagin...
Arousing Generalized Bond Tanning Salon
  04/12/21
become partner at smaller firm so that it pays at least the ...
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  04/12/21
Beg cslg for paralegal position
Crystalline galvanic brunch
  04/12/21
Thanks.
Arousing Generalized Bond Tanning Salon
  04/12/21
You should save as much money as you possibly can. Avoid deb...
Underhanded motley menage
  04/12/21
he can get promoted to of counsel if he doesn't have busines...
bronze titillating roast beef
  04/12/21
still a precarious position. he should be looking for the ra...
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exhilarant spruce liquid oxygen
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Patent lit?
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thuper thenior
provocative insanely creepy partner
  04/12/21
Boutique without the same up or out as biglaw. They may even...
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  04/12/21
he needs to go in-house, and should have done so 3-4 years a...
exhilarant spruce liquid oxygen
  04/13/21
shouldn't you have asked yourself this before beocming super...
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You sound like you have a prestigious background and decent ...
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This is a thoughtful, well-written, heartfelt poast, but--he...
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Appreciate it brother. My fear is that I know I don’t ...
Arousing Generalized Bond Tanning Salon
  04/13/21
Your firm is lying to you. You make them bank.
french corner
  04/13/21
Correct. People like him are arguably the most valuable att...
exciting translucent idiot
  04/13/21
I mean, I see the collections on my matters (about 800k). An...
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the idea that it costs $350K in overhead to support a *singl...
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I have no frame of reference for real estate prices, Secreta...
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What’s your hourly rate/how many hours are you billing...
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  04/13/21
Yeah, he's full of shit
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Always 2000+ hours. Most ever was 2600. Usually 2200ish. ...
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boyish becky institution
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Right. It’s laughable. Honestly now that I’ve th...
Arousing Generalized Bond Tanning Salon
  04/13/21
Why don't you tell them to, you know, increase your rate?
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  04/13/21
It’s a client that brought a trillion cases in. But th...
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You should be charged out at a higher rate. If not on this ...
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Thanks bro.
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Is there not anyway to push it down to younger attorneys and...
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Ya I did that. I handed all the work off to a gal. She promp...
Arousing Generalized Bond Tanning Salon
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lmao damn. Just ride it out I guess.
boyish becky institution
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lol always love the neurotic freak out associates
glittery filthy half-breed
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In fairness there are a ton of these fucking cases and I tri...
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"only" 800k
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Managing Associate, actually
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Date: April 12th, 2021 7:17 PM
Author: Arousing Generalized Bond Tanning Salon

I’m a super senior lit associate. No business development or partnership prospects. My life sucks because of work but I figure I’ll only be able to make ~500k+ for a few more years so I might as well play it out. What’s a good exit? Think I can become an ALJ?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42266955)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 1:50 PM
Author: razzmatazz smoky scourge upon the earth

Retire.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42271914)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 7:18 PM
Author: Dun contagious electric furnace nowag

associate emeritus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42266957)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 7:31 PM
Author: Adulterous rambunctious range faggot firefighter



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42267040)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 8:56 PM
Author: Crystalline galvanic brunch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42267605)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 7:18 PM
Author: Sepia People Who Are Hurt

breed with a fertile Latina mami, or so I hear

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42266959)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 7:29 PM
Author: exhilarant spruce liquid oxygen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42267025)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 7:29 PM
Author: Arousing Generalized Bond Tanning Salon

Unhelpful. I already have a wife and a kid and following this advice would result in my death.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42267030)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 7:31 PM
Author: Swashbuckling hateful clown

That’s great, bro, this is an excellent outcome for lit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42267044)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 7:42 PM
Author: Sepia People Who Are Hurt



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42267086)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 8:56 PM
Author: Crystalline galvanic brunch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42267609)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 9:11 PM
Author: Amethyst floppy temple puppy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42267694)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 9:13 PM
Author: bronze titillating roast beef

overrated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42267711)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 9:15 PM
Author: Amethyst floppy temple puppy

good news op, the death thing was just a joke AND we learned that ur exit options include “be promoted to of counsel”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42267728)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 7:32 PM
Author: Razzle Bearded Native



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42267051)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 7:54 PM
Author: supple business firm alpha



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42267160)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 7:43 PM
Author: aromatic aqua goal in life wrinkle

You will be subtly insulted and demeaned until you leave

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42267091)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 7:51 PM
Author: Mind-boggling splenetic crackhouse

No law firms have realized there is no amount of insults or abuse that will make people leave a $400K+ job. So they just “fire” people now by giving them a year to find a new role, hopefully with a client who can send them business.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42267140)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 7:57 PM
Author: slap-happy kink-friendly sweet tailpipe

“Subtle” here means “no big deal” Right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42267177)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 1:44 PM
Author: exhilarant spruce liquid oxygen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42271865)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 7:47 PM
Author: Cream frisky therapy stage

Become a partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42267118)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 7:50 PM
Author: Mind-boggling splenetic crackhouse

Pray for of counsel and that’s basically it. There are relatively few in-house litigation jobs, so you need to be able to jump on the next one you see like it’s the last chopper out of Vietnam if you can’t make partner/counsel. And be willing to move if necessary. HTH.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42267131)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 8:54 PM
Author: Arousing Generalized Bond Tanning Salon

How urgent? My reviews are good. I have some potential AUSA opportunities but would rather not cut my salary in 1/5 until I need to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42267585)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 9:07 PM
Author: bronze titillating roast beef

haven't you saved up enough money by now? what's wrong with you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42267667)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 9:08 PM
Author: Arousing Generalized Bond Tanning Salon

What’s “enough money”? What’s my kids college tuition going to cost in a decade?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42267671)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 9:09 PM
Author: bronze titillating roast beef

if you've been in BIGLAW for like what 10 years (what does super senior associate mean?) then you should have at least 800k saved up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42267682)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 9:57 PM
Author: Arousing Generalized Bond Tanning Salon

I clerked twice (district court and court of appeals). So not 10 years. I have more than that saved up. Like 1.5 m. But I also pay a ton of money for rent and kid shit. I don’t think I have enough to be honest.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42268006)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 4:34 PM
Author: french corner

Move to texas

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42273027)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 1:44 PM
Author: exhilarant spruce liquid oxygen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42271872)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 7:59 PM
Author: cracking scarlet pit

Move to smaller firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42267191)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 9:05 PM
Author: Arousing Generalized Bond Tanning Salon

Can I wait to see how biglol turns out to do that? I imagine that pays a lot less.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42267656)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 9:07 PM
Author: Walnut indian lodge voyeur

become partner at smaller firm so that it pays at least the same or more?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42267666)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 8:57 PM
Author: Crystalline galvanic brunch

Beg cslg for paralegal position

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42267619)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 9:04 PM
Author: Arousing Generalized Bond Tanning Salon

Thanks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42267653)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 9:09 PM
Author: Underhanded motley menage

You should save as much money as you possibly can. Avoid debt and financial obligations like the plague. Look for other opportunities outside of your Firm because that is a must.

I don't know what else you can do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42267680)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 9:13 PM
Author: bronze titillating roast beef

he can get promoted to of counsel if he doesn't have business

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42267703)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 9:15 PM
Author: Hyperactive Bull Headed Dilemma

still a precarious position. he should be looking for the rare in house job. once you get into the in house world, popping around to other positions is much easier

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42267730)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 1:45 PM
Author: exhilarant spruce liquid oxygen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42271879)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 1:45 PM
Author: exhilarant spruce liquid oxygen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42271876)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 9:59 PM
Author: cerebral toaster

Patent lit?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42268018)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 10:01 PM
Author: provocative insanely creepy partner

thuper thenior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42268023)



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Date: April 12th, 2021 10:07 PM
Author: disgusting comical corn cake

Boutique without the same up or out as biglaw. They may even promote to partner based upon skill and not 100% based on biz dev.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42268049)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 1:49 PM
Author: exhilarant spruce liquid oxygen

he needs to go in-house, and should have done so 3-4 years ago

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42271905)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 1:46 PM
Author: Dashing deranged national

shouldn't you have asked yourself this before beocming super senior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42271885)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 1:49 PM
Author: exhilarant spruce liquid oxygen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42271903)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 2:09 PM
Author: odious wagecucks principal's office

You sound like you have a prestigious background and decent skills (no homo). I wouldn't be surprised if you can find a way to stay in place; look at the dynamics of your firm, see what the viable paths forward are, and be cautiously optimistic (unlike being a 2nd-year associate, which is an identical experience at [V20]-Los Angeles and [V35]-Chicago, firms start to actually vary in their practices when it comes to keeping Of Counsels, etc.). Often that means being a Trusty Sidekick to a partner with moderate value and a somewhat nichey practice. Again, though, you know all this; the big then is that don't assume it's as impossible as it sometimes feels.

Otherwise, you're stuck doing something totally new, whether that's moving down 50 spots in Vault (I don't know anything about that, so I'll focus on what I do know about), going to a USAO, doing midlaw/boutique, or starting your own biz.

There are biglawyers who end up loving being an AUSA and want to make it a career. I didn't personally, but I've found it to be a good credential and a surprisingly good source of referrals (your former colleagues are prestigious and connected lawyers who can't take good cases for themselves); I was lucky to do it way younger than you and probably wouldn't have done it later, but, in my office at least, the super-young guys were treated more poorly by the supervisors than the equally clueless older guys.

Consider starting your own business; it's fun and there's a *lot* more skill involved than xo thinks. Xo constantly talks about skills being useless and personal salesmanship (etc.) being the only things that matter, but I haven't found that to be true. I'm as aspie and introverted as they come and get fantastic referrals and prestige clients (newspapers, politicians, etc.) and made six figures my very first year. There's also a constant feeling of expanding your practice / that you're still sort of starting up, which is kind of cool.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42272034)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 2:14 PM
Author: exciting translucent idiot

This is a thoughtful, well-written, heartfelt poast, but--hear me out--what if we all just shot ourselves at our desks instead?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42272063)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: Well-lubricated parlor gaping



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42272069)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 2:18 PM
Author: Sepia People Who Are Hurt



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Date: April 13th, 2021 2:19 PM
Author: Amethyst floppy temple puppy



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Date: April 13th, 2021 2:22 PM
Author: Dashing deranged national



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Date: April 13th, 2021 2:29 PM
Author: aromatic aqua goal in life wrinkle



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Date: April 13th, 2021 3:32 PM
Author: cerebral toaster



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Date: April 13th, 2021 4:32 PM
Author: Arousing Generalized Bond Tanning Salon

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42273012)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 4:33 PM
Author: Crystalline galvanic brunch



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Date: April 13th, 2021 5:45 PM
Author: boyish becky institution



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Date: April 13th, 2021 8:46 PM
Author: Violent Fortuitous Meteor



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Date: April 13th, 2021 4:31 PM
Author: Arousing Generalized Bond Tanning Salon

Appreciate it brother. My fear is that I know I don’t pencil out. I imagine no one is thinking about that too hard because we’re so fucking busy we need bodies. But paying me 500+k doesn’t make sense because I bring in zero work and at my billable rate for most work it’s hard to bring in 800k in revenue. The firm says that office space, secretaries, and other shit costs them 350k per lawyer. So they’re taking a ~50k loss on me by their metric. Unfortunately the niche im in isn’t one that can command a high rate — my rate is probably one of the highest in the country for the type of work. I billed a higher rate in my first year at a firm (different firm) several years ago. So the answer is either work more (fuck that I’m already killing myself) or??

Again I really appreciate your post. You’re a good dude.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42273011)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 4:35 PM
Author: french corner

Your firm is lying to you. You make them bank.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42273036)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 5:03 PM
Author: exciting translucent idiot

Correct. People like him are arguably the most valuable attorneys in the building because of rate inflation and extended rate structures.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42273225)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 5:45 PM
Author: Arousing Generalized Bond Tanning Salon

I mean, I see the collections on my matters (about 800k). And I know what I make (a little over 500). The firm could be lying about the other piece, but so many people repeat the same 350k number that I think at least some of them believe it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42273591)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 6:22 PM
Author: Sepia People Who Are Hurt

the idea that it costs $350K in overhead to support a *single* biglawyer is such an obvious lie

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42273861)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 7:04 PM
Author: Arousing Generalized Bond Tanning Salon

I have no frame of reference for real estate prices, Secretary expenses, Westlaw. Back office people. Etc. but I assume they want to make some profit off me and my rates don’t really leave room for that even if 350 is inflated.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42274096)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 5:47 PM
Author: boyish becky institution

What’s your hourly rate/how many hours are you billing? Have a hard time believing you’re only generating $800k in revenue

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42273602)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 5:49 PM
Author: Vivacious wild theater

Yeah, he's full of shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42273623)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 5:53 PM
Author: Arousing Generalized Bond Tanning Salon

Always 2000+ hours. Most ever was 2600. Usually 2200ish.

Dude, once you start doing more cookie cutter defense there’s tons of rate pressure. I have a ton of cases where my rate is $300. The firm somehow decided its worth it to bring this client in because they have so much work and I was the dummy that volunteered for the first one. I’ve tried my ass off to get away from that client but somehow I keep getting roped in.

This is like a v60 or something that follows Cravath but probably shouldn’t. When I was at a v15 my rate was double that ... as a third year.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42273647)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 5:56 PM
Author: boyish becky institution



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42273668)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 5:59 PM
Author: Arousing Generalized Bond Tanning Salon

Right. It’s laughable. Honestly now that I’ve thought about it I need to try with all my might to get the fuck off that client’s work. I’ve tried before but I’m going to pull all the stops. It’s like a fucking anchor on my career. The cases are mindlessly stupid and every bill is challenged.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42273693)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 5:59 PM
Author: glittery filthy half-breed

Why don't you tell them to, you know, increase your rate?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42273695)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 6:00 PM
Author: Arousing Generalized Bond Tanning Salon

It’s a client that brought a trillion cases in. But they fought their asses off for stupid low rates. And.l now there’s a bunch of dumb cases with low rates and not enough people to staff them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42273705)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 6:05 PM
Author: glittery filthy half-breed

You should be charged out at a higher rate. If not on this matter on something else. Why don't you talk to your senior partner bros and figure something out. Put yourself on another case with a better rate structure. Or start going to pitches and become part of the team that gets new business. Your career shouldn't be torpedoed because some shitboomer negotiated a bad rate structure for one faggot client. $300 w/ your experience is nuts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42273752)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 6:10 PM
Author: Arousing Generalized Bond Tanning Salon

Thanks bro.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42273789)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 6:30 PM
Author: glittery filthy half-breed



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42273917)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 6:00 PM
Author: boyish becky institution

Is there not anyway to push it down to younger attorneys and can you get any sort of project attorney credit within your firm’s system to get credit for running it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42273706)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 6:03 PM
Author: Arousing Generalized Bond Tanning Salon

Ya I did that. I handed all the work off to a gal. She promptly got pregnant and every single case came back to me. A new associate came in and I tried to push everything on him but he freaked out because he was too busy so I got half of them back and here I fucking am.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42273743)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 6:05 PM
Author: boyish becky institution

lmao damn. Just ride it out I guess.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42273753)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 6:06 PM
Author: glittery filthy half-breed

lol always love the neurotic freak out associates

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42273755)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 6:11 PM
Author: Arousing Generalized Bond Tanning Salon

In fairness there are a ton of these fucking cases and I tried to give this guy way too much fucking work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42273799)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 8:44 PM
Author: exhilarant spruce liquid oxygen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42274650)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 5:57 PM
Author: glittery filthy half-breed

holy shit is Latham in that much trouble that they're charging out 10th years at 300?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42273674)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 6:23 PM
Author: Sepia People Who Are Hurt

"only" 800k

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42273867)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 7:21 PM
Author: odious wagecucks principal's office

Bro, c'mon. I'm not going to say that firms never keep unprofitable associates, because it's surprisingly common at smaller firms (I still have trouble making a profit off my associates, but I can't manage the work load without them; a big part of this is that I don't have the skills and time to closely supervise them). But the biglaw model **is** leveraging associates at a profit; if you believe the $350K-overhead number, man....

I used to openly make fun of my reviewing partner when they'd give me the overhead breakdown, which was more than my base salary and was literally an even-steven breakdown of all overhead divided by number of attorneys with no attempt whatsoever to assign marginal costs -- I think my first year they didn't even separate out the different offices. I'd say shit like "well the firm paid out $200M in total comp to all 110 attorneys, and I'm one attorney, so really my comp alone costs the firm almost $2M, right?" (This was when I was making ~$300K total comp.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42274180)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 2:29 PM
Author: Well-lubricated parlor gaping

Are you really okay with doing law shit for the rest of your working life?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42272166)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: stimulating water buffalo filthpig

did they give you a sticker?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42272796)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 5:47 PM
Author: charismatic tank

manager

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42273606)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 6:34 PM
Author: aromatic aqua goal in life wrinkle

Managing Associate, actually

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42273946)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 5:48 PM
Author: charismatic tank

this is what they call high ranking non-management Walmart cashiers too

think about what you're doing with your life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42273613)



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Date: April 13th, 2021 5:58 PM
Author: Histrionic chrome market

Super Senior Associate II Turbo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4809057&forum_id=2#42273689)