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can somebody 'smart' explain to me why the US shouldnt have sat out WWII?
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Date: April 18th, 2021 10:22 PM Author: Chocolate Hell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304336) |
Date: April 18th, 2021 10:23 PM Author: Brindle Razzle Codepig Meetinghouse Spoiler warning: no. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304345) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 10:25 PM Author: Chocolate Hell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304356) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 10:25 PM Author: Aquamarine pit 🍌 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304360) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 10:28 PM Author: Bonkers lascivious area Explanation: The real opponent the US fought in WWII was not Germany or Japan but the British Empire.
The US used WWII to finish the UK as a world power once and for all, dismantle its empire, and take over as global military and economic superpower. |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 10:33 PM Author: Chocolate Hell ok, but answer the question (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304409) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 10:39 PM Author: talented blue coffee pot or international wealth just recognized the US as the next best spot to set up operations after the UK got blown out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304449) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 10:39 PM Author: Chocolate Hell locust from field to field, if you will (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304453) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 10:40 PM Author: Floppy Persian (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304459) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 11:28 PM Author: Trip Dingle Berry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304729) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 12:33 AM Author: Vibrant lime center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42305106) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 12:35 AM Author: Bonkers lascivious area (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42305113) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 10:33 PM Author: Beta resort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304412) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 10:33 PM Author: passionate ceo rehab there was the whole part where Japan literally bombed the US. shut up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304415) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 10:34 PM Author: Chocolate Hell (tom hanks) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304416) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 10:34 PM Author: Beta resort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304417) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 10:36 PM Author: Brindle Razzle Codepig Meetinghouse So that's why we invaded europe first? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304431) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 10:38 PM Author: Trip Dingle Berry FDR was waving them in like a 3rd base coach (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304444) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 10:39 PM Author: Beady-eyed halford Good thing we hit the Japs where it counts, in France (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304450) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 10:56 PM Author: transparent church macaca We didn't even do the revenge against Japan right. Obviously, we should have executed the Emperor and anybody else in the chain of command to conduct the sneak attack. Instead we "won" and sent them palettes of cash. And the Emperor died of old age in 1989. LJL @ us. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304534) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 7:44 AM Author: razzmatazz house-broken step-uncle's house ljl at people arguing we "didn't get revenge" when we fucking nuked their asses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42305787) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 10:37 PM Author: fuchsia kitty cat Hitler declaring war on America may have been a factor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304441) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 10:39 PM Author: Beady-eyed halford yep Hitler declaring war on America may have been a factor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304457) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 10:39 PM Author: Beta resort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304458) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 11:27 PM Author: galvanic french chef degenerate I, for one, despise our Jewish overlords. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304725) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 7:44 AM Author: razzmatazz house-broken step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42305788) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 10:41 PM Author: Crimson multi-colored nibblets senate yeah US really suffered from that decision, what with riding the production of the war economy out of the great depression to become the richest and most powerful nation in history (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304463) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 10:42 PM Author: Beta resort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304467) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 10:58 PM Author: Crimson multi-colored nibblets senate (/pol markov chain generator) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304547) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 11:51 PM Author: Chocolate Hell (ken burns) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304888) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 10:42 PM Author: Beady-eyed halford lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304470) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 10:48 PM Author: Chocolate Hell was trill af for those 20 golden years before boomers reached maturity (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304492) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 10:58 PM Author: Brindle Razzle Codepig Meetinghouse Ever wonder why this "nation" is so hollow and soulless? Yeah, that's what rapid accumulation of wealth and power does. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304545) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 11:18 PM Author: Disgusting Domesticated Church Building Pearl Harbor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304678) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 11:23 PM Author: Trip Dingle Berry you mean that event that FDR did everything in his power to bring about? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304703) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 11:50 PM Author: Chocolate Hell walk me thru why needed to avenge a japanese maritime attack by entering into a world war (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304885) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 12:28 AM Author: tan vigorous fortuitous meteor son of senegal I guess we didn't 'need' to - but the attack did come with a formal declaration of war by Japan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42305087) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 12:31 AM Author: Chocolate Hell meh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42305097) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 2:12 AM Author: tan vigorous fortuitous meteor son of senegal I'm pretty open to historical debunking / playing around with myths etc - but I'm not sure I get your hesitation - do you think it was politically feasible to shrug off pearl harbor and their declaration of war?
Or are you toying around with optimal outcomes and arguing why wouldn't it have been optimal for the u.s. to stay out of it?
Because I'm not sure why a nation responding to an attack and declaration of war should be that surprising, especially adding the context of competing for same asian-Pacific colonial resources |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 6:31 AM Author: Trip Dingle Berry are you open to the idea that FDR was goading Japan into attacking as a pretext for joining the world war? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42305698) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 12:37 AM Author: Trip Dingle Berry In October 1941, Lord Louis Mountbatten visited Pearl Harbor. While lecturing American naval officers on Royal Navy tactics against the Germans, an officer asked when and how the United States would enter the war. Mountbatten pointed to Pearl Harbor on a map of the Pacific and said "right here", citing Japan's surprise attack on Port Arthur, and the British attack on Taranto. In Washington he warned Stark about how unprepared the base was against a bomber attack; Stark replied, "I'm afraid that putting some of your recommendations into effect is going to make your visit out there very expensive for the U.S. Navy".[50] (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42305117) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 11:52 PM Author: Heady friendly grandma theater They basically did. They only intervened when it was clear USSR might beat them to Berlin and overrun Europe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304898) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 12:26 AM Author: tan vigorous fortuitous meteor son of senegal There were meeting notes from Japan's Imperial war council meetings that included Tojo or someone making a remark about the U.S. when they were planning pearl harbor that was something like - 'a country that just sits there while its closest ally is burning (Britain) won't have an appetite to respond to the attack' (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42305081) |
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Date: April 18th, 2021 11:56 PM Author: Crawly painfully honest parlor Mexico and the Zimmerman telegram
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Date: April 18th, 2021 11:58 PM Author: magenta parlour water buffalo All the “based” takes here are truly pathetic Lmaooo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42304935) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 12:23 AM Author: tan vigorous fortuitous meteor son of senegal Before Operation Barbarossa or Pearl Harbor - while only losing under 100k soldiers, Hitler had done what nobody else in history had done, not Napoleon, not Caesar - he had conquered and combined what is now approximately the modern day EU, in other words Germany had won the war.
The U.S. entered the war after Pearl Harbor, which was basically the exact moment Barbarossa started to turn around and the Soviet counterattacks from Siberian troops started making progress against the Wehrmacht
Take a look at any of the propaganda films from the time period from the American side - eg Hitler Lives (great 20 minute documentary, trust me it's entertaining as hell) - to get a sense of the hysteria about German Imperialism.
We shouldn't overcomplicate this question - the U.S. didn't want to sit by and wait for the outcome of the war to be a German Reich that included modern day EU + Soviet Union with combined economic production, or possibly a Europe liberated by Stalin with the Red Army pushing well past Berlin because of course it would need to liberate France as well (thus determining her fate), rather it saw its best interest as participating to shape the outcome of the war and the postwar order
We shouldn't underestimate what a well oiled machine the red army was by the end of the war, at least in terms of infantry and tank divisions, and the level of coercion Stalin was able to bring upon the Russian people, levels that the Czar could've only dreamed of |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 12:40 AM Author: Chocolate Hell "the U.S. didn't want to sit by and wait for the outcome of the war to be a German Reich that included modern day EU + Soviet Union with combined economic production, or possibly a Europe liberated by Stalin"
ok, why didn't we want this
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Date: April 19th, 2021 2:06 AM Author: tan vigorous fortuitous meteor son of senegal The U.S. was the main beneficiary from WW1 - which moved the financial center of the world from London to NYC. UK finally finished its final war debt payment in 2015 I think it was, even to the point where you could interpret the U.S. entering WW1 as an act of ensuring its borrowers came out on top w/ the ability to repay.
Point being that the u.s. was becoming a giant, and as the British Empire declined the Rome / Greece relationship was constantly used as a metaphor as the u.s. the new military/industrial might vs Greece the more enlightened keeper of cultural heritage - our leaders felt we were destined to be #1, we didn't want a new European Empire to compete with |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 2:09 AM Author: self-absorbed cracking dragon i blame black niggers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42305344) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 2:12 AM Author: titillating bright death wish hall the US is a violent bridshit nation, all it does is fight wars (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42305350) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 7:46 AM Author: nudist sticky tanning salon mother Well this thread came straight out of stormfront (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42305792) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 9:56 AM Author: transparent church macaca TY, we've been striving to improve (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42306200) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 9:57 AM Author: black bbw nvm misread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42306209) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 10:02 AM Author: stirring autistic wrinkle The nazis were really really bad people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42306233) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 10:03 AM Author: Insane yapping national US sits out > Germany uses its robots and occult tech to conquer Europe > Germany conquers America > Germany establishes moon base > Germany establishes Venus base > Germany builds Sun Gun > Germany conquers Milky Way (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42306241) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 10:30 AM Author: Beta resort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42306402) |
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Date: April 19th, 2021 10:31 AM Author: Vengeful shrine pocket flask Alternatively, trannies and equal outcomes for womyn and darks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4813827&forum_id=2#42306408) |