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Serious Q: How good is the IDF really?
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:44 AM Author: swashbuckling apoplectic tanning salon Could they be considered on the level of like the British Army? What military would be the closest parallel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518677&forum_id=2#47589934) |
Date: April 17th, 2024 10:48 AM Author: metal philosopher-king site LOL, they are 20x better than the British army or German army. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518677&forum_id=2#47589964) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:50 AM Author: swashbuckling apoplectic tanning salon UK defense budget is like 2X the IDF and their population is like 7X Israel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518677&forum_id=2#47589978) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 10:50 AM Author: stirring maroon juggernaut toaster Its probably shit full of skittish weird faggots (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518677&forum_id=2#47589977) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:09 AM Author: fiercely-loyal trust fund not very from their conduct in this war, they likely have a handful of special forces that train enough with Americans to be good at some very specialized missions, but the overall force is poorly armed, poorly disciplined, and doesn't seem very good at fighting anything but children with rocks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518677&forum_id=2#47590085) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:12 AM Author: swashbuckling apoplectic tanning salon what about their often mentioned past victories in the Six Day War, Yom Kippur, etc against more numerous/well armed enemies (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518677&forum_id=2#47590099) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:13 AM Author: Duck-like Bearded Stage 78iq vs 92 iq explains it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518677&forum_id=2#47590100) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:13 AM Author: fiercely-loyal trust fund those were different jews and their enemies weren't that well armed really (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518677&forum_id=2#47590102) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:14 AM Author: stirring maroon juggernaut toaster The past is the past (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518677&forum_id=2#47590107) |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 2:26 PM Author: Rusted electric orchestra pit Note that those wars were won very quickly and involved direct combat against armies that had fundamental problems during a totally different era in combat. And see below for how Arab armies were equipped and fought. Effectively, none of them really went all in against Israel except for maybe Egypt and Syria. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518677&forum_id=2#47593128) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:14 AM Author: stirring maroon juggernaut toaster Hmmm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518677&forum_id=2#47590105) |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:13 AM Author: Rusted electric orchestra pit You're talking about an army entirely dependent on the US for pretty much everything. Even the "iron dome" that they're so proud of was entirely based on a US-created system and the US provides ammo for it. Without the US supplying, training and funding their military they would be absolutely nothing.
And note that their enemies are overwhelmingly poorly trained and equipped conscripts or Arab militia. They have never gone up against a well-armed and trained enemy in an all-out war. Hezbollah in 2006 was armed and trained by Iran with some help from Russia and they beat Israel.
So yeah, they're not that impressive in the grand scheme of things. I lol when I hear them pretend they could take on Turkey or Iran. |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 11:17 AM Author: swashbuckling apoplectic tanning salon Didn't the Russians train and equip the Arab armies in the past that were soundly beaten by the IDF?
Armies in general have a tough time with insurgencies, which might explain Lebanon in 2006. I mean the US threw in the towel in Afghanistan/Vietnam |
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:04 PM Author: Rusted electric orchestra pit Yes and no. The way the USSR equipped countries was basically dependent on how close they saw them to the USSR itself. The best equipment went to the Red Army itself. Then came a lower tier of weapons that went to the Warsaw Pact countries (in other words, Poland got worse stuff). Then below that were "strategic allies." India, China, and ultimately the Arab armies, which got the absolute worst shit. The reason the Arab armies got such bad equipment was because 1) they weren't viewed as particularly capable and 2) because they weren't willing to pay much for it. The Israelis would also certainly capture some of the equipment so the USSR only gave them older stuff they didn't mind getting captured. As for training, the USSR trained some local Arab officers who would then be required to train their armies. If you know how Arab Armies choose their officers (primarily nepotism) you would see how that training rarely trickled down the way it was supposed to. Also, Arab armies are structured so that there's a small professional army (usually their "Republican Guard") and a large conscript army. In many cases the conscript army is what gets sent to fight Israel with the real army held back in reserve.
"Armies in general have a tough time with insurgencies, which might explain Lebanon in 2006. I mean the US threw in the towel in Afghanistan/Vietnam"
The nature of warfare has also changed. Look at Russia and Ukraine as well. Defensive weapons have gotten very good. You can kill very expensive tanks with very cheap missiles and drones. Because armor has been the way advanced armies move forward, there hasn't really been a path to overcome that new reality that doesn't involve a ton of casualties (which pretty much no modern army is willing to stomach, but especially not Israel's with their tiny population).
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Date: April 17th, 2024 12:10 PM Author: mauve people who are hurt the IDF is losing to a bunch of mohammeds wearing bugle boy pants and firing AKs out of buildings. they've used up a good portion of their stockpiled munitions to kill like 10k of those guys.
imagine them actually going to war with iran without us carrying their water. lmao. |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 4:28 PM Author: Rusted electric orchestra pit Also, in the recent rocket attacks we were absolutely carrying their water. All of the ballistic missile shoot downs were from US air defense batteries. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518677&forum_id=2#47593526) |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 4:31 PM Author: flushed school cafeteria Air Force is likely on par with NATO Euro nations
suprisingly, their tank and desert cavalry divisions are historically shitty
Israeli Intelligence and Covert Tech Ops via Mossad et al are 1000000X >>> than the IDF |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 6:02 PM Author: swashbuckling apoplectic tanning salon What American units would be most similar?
Would their best infantry be like the 10th Mountain or like the Rangers |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 6:12 PM Author: flushed school cafeteria i have no clue, but every war since WOI has had the tank divisions nearly fuck up everything all at once several times then they pull a houdini after IDF/US AF support comes last second (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518677&forum_id=2#47593911) |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 6:38 PM Author: seedy corner Mossad was able to kill 2,000 Americans on U.S. soil without anyone knowing. They are good at what they do (which is evil) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5518677&forum_id=2#47593970) |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 6:43 PM Author: marvelous sweet tailpipe pisswyrm the IDF's biggest weaknesses, by far, are (1) its unwillingness to absorb casualties or POWs (israel traded 1000 muslims for gilad shalit) and (2) its political inability to cause actual ethnic cleansing due to political fallout (i don't mean this to promote ethnic cleansing, merely to point out that israel does not have the political strength to permanently end the conflict via military means)
other than that its soldiers are mediocre, its air force is strong, its sea force is total garbage except for a couple of nuclear subs, its anti-air is not very good, its missile technology is not very good. mossad has traditionally been quite excellent but even that is a little more questionable now after their assets epstein and ghislaine maxwell were destroyed |