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So 2nd hand embarrassed that Chabadniks believe Shneerson is Moschiach HFS LOL
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Date: June 20th, 2026 10:59 PM Author: Ricky (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876074&forum_id=2",#49952614) |
Date: June 20th, 2026 11:01 PM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., I’m first hand embarrassed. The messiah isn’t coming if they all believe this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876074&forum_id=2",#49952618) |
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Date: June 20th, 2026 11:07 PM Author: getulio You probably misunderstand the doctrine and probably conflate the median Lubavitcher belief about Schneerson with what the extremists and fundamentalists believe As he actually puts his thoughts on the Messiah it's fairly reasonable; the Messiah is kind of a distributed force rather than a singular event. He's said (as I interpreted it) that everyone is part of the Messiah whenever they're performing certain mitzvahs or finding themselves in the right place at the right time. It's unusual but not particularly offensive in that light. I don't know if I believe this myself but I don't find it offensive or controversial either, and it's very humanistic in a way innate to more left-wing interpretations of Judaism. Not an expert but I spent a while trying to understand it and this is how I remember it |
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Date: June 20th, 2026 11:09 PM Author: Riders On the Turn sounds insightful (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876074&forum_id=2",#49952640) |
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Date: June 20th, 2026 11:13 PM Author: getulio You can find this stuff pretty easily on the Chabad website and I'm pretty sure if you ask a moderate Chabadnik what they believe regarding him it's going to be something like that It raises some other questions regarding scriptural interpretations of what or who the Messiah is supposed to be and there are a few verses I think in Ezekiel or Daniel that perhaps contradict it but I think there's probably grounding in it via commentary that would make it acceptable. |
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Date: June 21st, 2026 7:19 AM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., >I'm pretty sure if you ask a moderate Chabadnik what they believe regarding him it's going to be something like that
a "moderate" chabadnik will tell you "moderate" propaganda to your face but they believe the same stuff the extremists do |
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Date: June 21st, 2026 7:38 AM Author: getulio i think that's your own cynicism shining through, and it's understandable in the late modern American cultural psychosis these aren't Scientologists though afaik. granted i'm not out there polling and canvassing a wide spread of chabadniks but from the material and spread of articles and writings and what not available it doesn't seem as much like these people are going to pull you into a room and have you swearing fealty to the Lubavitcher so much as they're going to read verses with you |
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Date: June 21st, 2026 7:50 AM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., the "moderate" chabadniks have a very strong incentive to be very closeted about it -- because their "brand" depends on them not being seen as kooks. their brand depends on them just being normal and mainstream so their outreach stuff works.
so thats why chabad.org isnt going to publicly spew extreme views, and no mainstream chabad rabbi will either.
the yellow flag yechi adoneinu types are all renegade chabads. |
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Date: June 20th, 2026 11:12 PM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., I read something that 90% of Chabad people at least secretly think he’s the messiah. So The median Chabad guy is the same as the yellow flag extremist in his neshama (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876074&forum_id=2",#49952645) |
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Date: June 20th, 2026 11:16 PM Author: getulio In their doctrine, he is, but it's an atypical interpretation. I could be wrong. but Schneerson himself was very open ended about it and I don't recall him ever confirming or denying his claim. There may be instances of messiahs after him, and there were instances of Messiahdom before him, and frankly because Chabad doctrine is an odd mix of ortho right and reform left belief the way they seem to view the essence of Moschiach is not unlike the Christian "Holy spirit" or what have you, and there is sufficient grounding in verse to syncretize the two imo. To me it seems like a very Solomonic sort of interpretation of the fundamental concepts involved where these things are being defined by their suffusion of spirit (Sufism is also big on this fwiw) rather than the more concrete or literalist or even Davidic interpretation. I think because we come from more conservative or traditionalist interpretations with more of an emphasis on the OT/Torah words as written it's more difficult to understand the different lens that that sect uses to define the concept. |
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Date: June 20th, 2026 11:08 PM Author: Brother Peter Dimond what % of them believe that in you estimation? some say almost all of them, sounds like you might think they do too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876074&forum_id=2",#49952633) |
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Date: June 20th, 2026 11:09 PM Author: getulio I do think there's a personality cult around him and that gets sort of mixed up with the religious devotion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876074&forum_id=2",#49952639) |
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Date: June 20th, 2026 11:23 PM Author: getulio A lot of these Chabad guys came from Eastern European countries under Marxist-Leninist regimes (lot of Russians and Poles in Chabad iirc) and that emphasis on the Soviet style personality cult probably stayed with them after they either moved out or opened up ties to western organizations and minyans or what have you It's probably more of a cultural predilection than a strictly religious one |
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Date: June 20th, 2026 11:13 PM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., As I said above, I’ve read 90% are at least closeted about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876074&forum_id=2",#49952652) |