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Labour only got 1/3 of popular vote, less than under Corbyn
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Date: July 5th, 2024 5:38 AM Author: Ass Sunstein https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13603607/Keirs-super-meh-jority-Starmer-turns-Britain-red-brutal-night-Tories-dubbed-loveless-landslide-Labours-huge-Commons-majority-won-barely-vote-share-Blair-Corbyn-achieved.html (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550683&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#47811098) |
Date: July 5th, 2024 7:44 AM Author: NPC ThingDoer Poontang First past the post is ridiculous- everything should be run off if no absolute majority (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550683&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#47811177) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 9:02 AM Author: Ass Sunstein It should go to the House of Lords in that case, or the King should just rule. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550683&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#47811333) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 9:14 AM Author: Hubby helps wife with endowed allies It's better in the long term. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550683&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#47811371) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 8:17 AM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., it's also bizarre to me how many tory hig-ranking cabinet ministers lost their seat. u'd never have that in the US in wave elections. the power of incumbency -- and districts/states supporting their guy in the leadership bc he has power -- doesn't seem to be a big deal in the uk. idgi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550683&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#47811247) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 8:39 AM Author: Kikechipper Jones (FAGGOTCHIPPER / Hegemon) much more fickle (read: naïve -- sincerely believing in elections lmao) electorate, in both positions and turnout. smaller districts means more variability/volatility.
recall, too, Brat's primary win over Cantor -- it can happen here too, just much more rarely due to size of district and consistency of electorate. |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 8:44 AM Author: cowgod (cowgod180@hotmail.com) https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71mrmlsmF6L._AC_UF1000,1000_QL80_.jpg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550683&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#47811301) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 8:45 AM Author: Kikechipper Jones (FAGGOTCHIPPER / Hegemon) ljfl tyft (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550683&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#47811303) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 8:50 AM Author: What can be, unburdened by what has been (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550683&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#47811310) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 8:51 AM Author: Kikechipper Jones (FAGGOTCHIPPER / Hegemon) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550683&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#47811312) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 8:55 AM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., cantor getting primaried was a targeted antisemitic nationallly funded hit on a high-profile jew.
daschle losing his seat is perhaps a better example. |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 9:02 AM Author: Kikechipper Jones (FAGGOTCHIPPER / Hegemon) Daschle, Cantor, Richard Lugar, Joe Crowley, Mike Castle, Tom Foley in the 90s -- all work as illustrations. Most upsets of leadership are targeted hits for ad spend and campaigning, in the UK too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550683&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#47811332) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 9:41 AM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., i thought UK has much fewer money in elections; do they have targeted hit jobs on leaders like we do? were rishi, truss, etc. all targeted? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550683&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#47811495) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 11:25 AM Author: Kikechipper Jones (FAGGOTCHIPPER / Hegemon) They do, in fact, have much less money in elections. Parties and candidates are both statutorily limited in the amount they may spend per each seat they intend to contest. However, they have their own PACs (known as "non-party campaigners") and while those are also limited, largely the only thing preventing one individual or group of individuals from creating several entities and reaching the spending limit with each is the administrative regulatory compliance burden.
These orgs, while nominally prohibited from coordination with parties or candidates, can act just as PACs do in the US and functionally do just that. They typically focus on leadership races and important seats.
Furthermore, in-person canvassing has a much greater role than ads do because of financial limitation,s so often campaigns rely on rallies, in-person candidate visits and door-to-doors. This has much greater effect than it would in the US because they have much smaller districts -- there are 650 seats in the Commons, districts are designed to contain roughly 75k constituents, and in many places that means they are only a few city blocks.
This all means the money goes much further than it would here, and targeted races are still very possible. |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 9:04 AM Author: Ass Sunstein UK MPs are generally not local bros who are natives to their district with local power bases like in the US. The national party just assigns them seats to run for and then they go there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550683&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#47811336) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 9:12 AM Author: Kikechipper Jones (FAGGOTCHIPPER / Hegemon) which is also insane to me -- locals immediately have such an advantage when trying to beat one of these carpetbaggers
the whole UK political charade is much better circus kayfabe than ours, with even less effect: -- rotating districts, so you have to work to even know who your reps are -- elections can be called at bizarre intervals on a whim, and the entire government reshuffled -- once "your" monkey is elected, they then sometimes hold another great circus to decide leadership
and even less changes there than here! |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 9:14 AM Author: Ass Sunstein Our districts get changed around all the time too, to be fair, at least in the big states. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550683&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#47811368) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 9:18 AM Author: Kikechipper Jones (FAGGOTCHIPPER / Hegemon) but with far less frequency than they nakedly carpetbag MP candidates, afaik, and the US candidate usually retains the local base and redistricting really mostly just changes vote counting lines -- it's not as if AOC suddenly starts running in upstate NY or Matt Gaetz is suddenly running in Miami. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550683&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#47811388) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 9:27 AM Author: Ass Sunstein True true (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550683&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#47811451) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 9:43 AM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., good subtread tyty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550683&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#47811499) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 9:15 AM Author: Hubby helps wife with endowed allies US is the one that's bullshit. Everyone deserves to lose their job an no one ever does. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550683&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#47811376) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 9:18 AM Author: Kikechipper Jones (FAGGOTCHIPPER / Hegemon) and yet Britain exists to assure you that truly means nothing! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550683&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#47811393) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 9:34 AM Author: Bronus Swagner The US has nowhere near the party discipline of the UK, where you're really voting for the party and not the person. It doesn't matter who you pick when they're going to support the leadership 100% of the time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550683&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#47811479) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 8:19 AM Author: libclubber (🍑 Pronouns: Ausländer/Raus döp dödö döp) If I was a Brit I would be very upset that my country is about to get irreversibly ruined by a bunch of zealots with such small minority support (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550683&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#47811249) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 8:34 AM Author: pontificating jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550683&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#47811289) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 8:31 AM Author: Charles Tyrwhitt Dad Labour got a smaller share of the vote than the last election, which they lost, but this time a massive landslide. It does mean their majority is on weak foundations and susceptible to a reversal in five years' time. Much weaker than Tony Blair's landslide.
However, given the Tory fuckup and failures I am not weeping for them. |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 8:32 AM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., 5 years? govts collapse much sooner, and smartly they can have quicker elections when the govt fails -- unlike our stupid system. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550683&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#47811286) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 9:11 AM Author: Charles Tyrwhitt Dad UK governments collapse when the MPs turn against the party. It would only happen when majorities are razor thin or in a hung Parliament. Neither applies to Starmer. He has a full five years to work with. I suspect he'll be in power for a solid 10 years.
The Tories are facing an existential crisis because it's clear they need to decide to be either pointless centrist Tories or right wing Tories, not both. The latter fared better in holding on to their seats so it's probable the next leader will be either Braverman or Badenoch. That's right, the face of right wing conservatism in Britain will be a brown woman. Ironic to you but not necessarily to the British.
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Date: July 5th, 2024 9:43 AM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., hung parliament. heh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550683&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#47811504) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 8:33 AM Author: philby there was a Boycott of the Tories from the anti-cuck right. #ZeroTorySeats
people are fed up. we should follow suit in the US.
that's why Labour won so big.
https://www.reddit.com/r/tories/comments/1bnc628/zero_seats/ |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 8:41 AM Author: Kikechipper Jones (FAGGOTCHIPPER / Hegemon) i consider Britain irreversibly lost, but for those who don't, I wonder what that line might be and how close labour will get in the next few years.
may very well end up being a case of ruining your nose to spite your face. |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 9:45 AM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., why didn't the anti-cuck right all vote farage/ukip/reform? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550683&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#47811511) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 10:16 AM Author: Ass Sunstein They did, but it's Britain. Most people are cucks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550683&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#47811589) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 8:43 AM Author: .,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,.,,:..:.,:.::,. It doesn't matter who "wins" in the UK, that country is done for. We watched the decline of an empire in real time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550683&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#47811300) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 9:05 AM Author: Ass Sunstein Guess who's next. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550683&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#47811339) |