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Question about European feudalism.

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have m...
vivacious stock car area
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just walk outside bro
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(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)
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what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?
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I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on ju...
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM
Author: vivacious stock car area

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems?

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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM
Author: Self-absorbed State

just walk outside bro

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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM
Author: Self-absorbed State

(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM
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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:55 PM
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Date: December 22nd, 2025 8:47 PM
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Date: December 24th, 2025 12:00 AM
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Date: December 28th, 2025 6:54 PM
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Date: December 28th, 2025 7:05 PM
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Date: December 29th, 2025 9:19 PM
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM
Author: topaz swollen azn generalized bond

Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence?

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#48969854)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM
Author: Sadistic Gas Station New Version

Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#48969860)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM
Author: topaz swollen azn generalized bond

(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it)

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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM
Author: Sadistic Gas Station New Version

They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights.

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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: topaz swollen azn generalized bond

read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys

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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: bat shit crazy ticket booth macaca

Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#49065184)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM
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Date: July 13th, 2025 7:03 PM
Author: translucent pisswyrm



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: pungent obsidian cuckoldry crotch

what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?

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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM
Author: vengeful cocky abode wrinkle

cq

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM
Author: cerebral stag film boistinker

I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#48985033)



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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM
Author: bat shit crazy ticket booth macaca

teen black death survivors were the original Boomers

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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:10 AM
Author: bright arousing pistol church



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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: Shivering Bat-shit-crazy Tanning Salon

i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#48997602)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM
Author: Beta beady-eyed locus volcanic crater

Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#49065026)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM
Author: thriller glassy trailer park kitty

really depended on the country, the region, and the lord

removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#49105022)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle alcoholic background story

It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#49421865)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 10:06 PM
Author: Awkward unholy hissy fit newt

it was a nanny state.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#49458174)



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Date: December 8th, 2025 8:26 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle alcoholic background story

Most societies were nomadic. Home sapiens only became a settled species during the most recent 5% of our time on earth. There's absolutely nothing normal (or even good) about anything we do today, unless your goal is simply to put more people on the earth's surface

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#49495273)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:07 AM
Author: thriller glassy trailer park kitty

actual feudalism was probably fine and shitty in parts

foursquare feudalism otoh is a lot of fun and harmless if it's not infested with faggots

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026hid=",#49518563)