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Question about European feudalism.

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have m...
Poppy Aphrodisiac Step-uncle's House
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just walk outside bro
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Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the la...
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM
Author: Poppy Aphrodisiac Step-uncle's House

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems?

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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM
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just walk outside bro

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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM
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(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM
Author: azure shivering partner menage

Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence?

yes

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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM
Author: Internet-worthy school scourge upon the earth

Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings.

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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM
Author: azure shivering partner menage

(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it)

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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM
Author: Internet-worthy school scourge upon the earth

They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights.

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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: azure shivering partner menage

read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys

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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: haunting apoplectic shitlib

Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho

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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM
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Date: July 13th, 2025 7:03 PM
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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: copper motley cuckoldry

what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?

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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM
Author: lavender potus gas station

cq

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM
Author: Pink piazza

I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent

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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM
Author: haunting apoplectic shitlib

teen black death survivors were the original Boomers

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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:10 AM
Author: fiercely-loyal sooty national main people



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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: Lime Mewling Spot Old Irish Cottage

i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026hid=#48997602)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM
Author: cheese-eating fuchsia tanning salon

Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026hid=#49065026)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM
Author: hairless kitty cat ratface

really depended on the country, the region, and the lord

removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026hid=#49105022)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM
Author: Diverse pearly party of the first part

It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026hid=#49421865)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 10:06 PM
Author: Contagious house-broken brethren hospital

it was a nanny state.

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Date: December 8th, 2025 8:26 PM
Author: Diverse pearly party of the first part

Most societies were nomadic. Home sapiens only became a settled species during the most recent 5% of our time on earth. There's absolutely nothing normal (or even good) about anything we do today, unless your goal is simply to put more people on the earth's surface

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026hid=#49495273)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:07 AM
Author: hairless kitty cat ratface

actual feudalism was probably fine and shitty in parts

foursquare feudalism otoh is a lot of fun and harmless if it's not infested with faggots

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026hid=#49518563)