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Date: September 30th, 2024 2:55 PM Author: purple galvanic national quadroon to all private non-profits in California, actually. bold move.
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2024/09/30/california-bans-legacy-and-donor-preferences-in-admissions-at-private-nonprofit-universities/? |
Date: September 30th, 2024 3:31 PM Author: Grizzly Awkward Fortuitous Meteor Step-uncle's House holy shit do libs have shit for brains and newsom is nothing if not a lib Sacramento, California – Governor Gavin Newsom today announced that he has signed AB 1780 by Assemblymember Phil Ting (D-San Francisco) to prohibit legacy and donor preferences in the admissions process for private, nonprofit institutions. Legacy status and donor preferences have long been excluded from the state’s public university admissions process. The University of California system eliminated legacy preferences in 1998.
“In California, everyone should be able to get ahead through merit, skill, and hard work. The California Dream shouldn’t be accessible to just a lucky few, which is why we’re opening the door to higher education wide enough for everyone, fairly.”
Governor Gavin Newsom the proposed new law is in response to not being able to use race in applications, however, not because newsom is some merit proponent. like with every lib, quite the opposite |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:36 PM Author: brilliant deer antler what are you even actually trying to say (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48146969) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:20 PM Author: Grizzly Awkward Fortuitous Meteor Step-uncle's House this bill has nothing to do with merit, skill and hard work. libs don't believe in that, except in sports and entertainment do you believe the state can even dictate to a private university what non-racial, colorblind factors it can use for admissions? |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:29 PM Author: bespoke light round eye > this bill has nothing to do with merit, skill and hard work. libs don't believe in that, except in sports and entertainment
Yeah, man. Look at the warm reception Caitlin Clark has gotten from libs as well as the success of the Star Wars franchise. |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:34 PM Author: Grizzly Awkward Fortuitous Meteor Step-uncle's House do you need me to clarify, libs don't believe in that, except, sometimes, in sports and entertainment? that doesn't change anything about my initial claim |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:34 PM Author: bespoke light round eye Good to see you poasting with us, Kathleen Kennedy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147399) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 8:34 PM Author: Sienna den yes? what are you talking about? the state has police power. they can do anything that isn't prohibited by federal law. certainly that includes dictating admissions policies even for private universities.
what do you think PREVENTS california from doing this? california law or federal law? there isn't some magic force that limits the power of the state.
note i'm not endorsing this policy, just pointing out how your understanding of how federalism and the law generally works is a libertarian mishmash of nonsense. |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 9:42 PM Author: Grizzly Awkward Fortuitous Meteor Step-uncle's House what is the legitimate governmental interest served by this? it's easy to explain why legacy admits and donor preferences are beneficial to a college, but why would the government actively depress donations to a school or have any basis to do it, particularly when it comes to private schools? |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 10:33 PM Author: Sienna den you are very confused. there is no supernatural force that prevents a sovereign government from creating law. it doesn't matter if it's "legitimate" or not. what entity would even make that determination? and who enforces it?
you seem to be trying to apply rational basis review, which occurs when state law conflicts with federal law (i.e. the constitution). but there is no constitutional right this law conflicts with.
again, im not discussing whether this law is good or wise. but only what you think prevents a sovereign state government from enacting any law. you said the state didn't have the power to do this. |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 10:38 PM Author: Grizzly Awkward Fortuitous Meteor Step-uncle's House what are these no at least rational basis laws that have withstood a challenge? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48148389) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 10:43 PM Author: razzle shrine pozpig You have the analysis backwards. A court must determine that a constitutional right is implicated prior to determining whether the law is rationally related to a legitimate governmental interest.
Also, the governmental interests here could be stopping disparate impacts against minorities and ensuring merit-based admissions in the context of postsecondary education. But under rational basis review, a court must find for the validity of the law if there is any conceivable legitimate interest. |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 10:59 PM Author: Sienna den it's obvious he thinks that rational basis review is some super analysis where laws are invalidated by federal courts when they don't serve a "legitimate interest." and what's really funny is that he doesn't even understand how much this would broaden federal power in a way he is against.
sealclubber has a very mystical conception of how the law works. the federalism thing shit is just gibberish. he believes that there is some super-legal entity that has the power to invalidate a sovereigns lawmaking power if it conflicts with his conception of what powers a sovereign has. as if God would come down to invalidate a law.
"no! a state can't do that! it's not legitimate!" |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 11:12 PM Author: Grizzly Awkward Fortuitous Meteor Step-uncle's House you project so much that i've never said or thought. you're pretty stupid that way and it occurs over and over |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 10:52 PM Author: Sienna den "Date: September 30th, 2024 10:38 PM Author: sealclubber
what are these no at least rational basis laws that have withstood a challenge?"
can someone that speaks sealclubber translate this for me?
you seem to be saying that this wouldn't pass rational basis review. this is hilarious and ironic on several levels.
1) you, a states rights libertarian, are now using federal law to limit a states sovereign power. im not sure you even understand what you're arguing, but you're essentially saying the due process clause limits a states ability to regulate private enterprises in this manner.
2) every law passes rational basis review. it's easy to think of a billion legitimate state interests that are setved with this. but we don't even need to get there, because this doesn't even conflict with the constitution, absent a very broad interpretation of the due process clause that would essentially federalize everything and leave the states powerless.
3) you relying on this law being non-race based makes it misplaced. you seem to think that because this does not involve protected classes a state has less power, but the opposite is true. this is when a states power is highest. |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 11:13 PM Author: Grizzly Awkward Fortuitous Meteor Step-uncle's House why doesn't a private college have the right to admit anyone it wants so long as it doesn't violate anyone's constitutional rights while doing so? |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 11:21 PM Author: Sienna den what gives a private college the right to admit whoever it wants contrary to law?
let's pretend like the federal government doesn't exist. if california was the sole sovereign, what would limit it's ability to regulate private enterprises? |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 8:02 PM Author: Grizzly Awkward Fortuitous Meteor Step-uncle's House how about you name some laws that prove your point? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48151828) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 8:36 AM Author: purple galvanic national quadroon i think there are a few Christian colleges that will not take a dollar of federal money, and those colleges can raise the arguments you make.
but if you take even one dollar of federal money you are deemed to have agreed to the regulations, as i understand it. |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 8:44 AM Author: razzle shrine pozpig Hillsdale does this iirc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48149098) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 8:46 AM Author: Sienna den jfc. this used to be a law bort.
this is a state law. they can regulate entities however they'd like and it doesn't need to be tied to FEDERAL funding. |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 8:52 AM Author: razzle shrine pozpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48149117) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 6:18 PM Author: purple galvanic national quadroon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48151447) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:37 PM Author: Citrine parlour psychic Is there any defensible reason to be for this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48146970) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:40 PM Author: Onyx bat-shit-crazy sound barrier hominid Basically "payback" against Whites for ban on AA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48146974) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:58 PM Author: Odious ruddy stock car trailer park (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147046) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:06 PM Author: purple galvanic national quadroon true
interestingly, if the schools actually abide by this new law -- not a given -- it will hurt UMC blacks. |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 8:24 PM Author: Ruby Nighttime Spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147935) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:42 PM Author: purple galvanic national quadroon in a completely alternate universe, i'd like private universities that take $1 of federal money to still be able to make their own decisions on all sorts of issues. i don't like the current regime of "you took the king's schilling and now we will regulate you completely." so i'd be ok with private universities doing mostly whatever the hell they want to, so long as they are open and honest about it.
in the real world, this sort of law has mixed results, i think. it weakens alumni support at the margin. but it means that rich kids don't have an inside track.
what do you think? |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:12 PM Author: lime location College admissions should be based purely on merit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147099) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:49 PM Author: dashing brindle hospital (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147448) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:14 PM Author: razzle shrine pozpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147538) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:50 PM Author: Costumed Vigorous Headpube Similar to favoring low inheritance taxes, because a lot of motivation for the individual to succeed is to make life better for his descendants. A school that allows this to happen ensures that older graduates stay engaged with supporting the institution instead of just spreading their support to wherever their kids get in. There's something neat about the continuity. - You could convince me that considering legacy should be banned, though, even though having multiple family members attend the same university is still cool and beautiful. I tried to make the argument for legacy above |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:55 PM Author: Contagious sooty hall Suspect the promise of legacy admits is a huge money-maker for the elite colleges. They're not using legacies to perpetuate some waspocracy that died out in the late 1960s. The *only* reason I donate to my alma mater is on the off chance it helps if my kids want to apply in a few years. Which I also struggle with because my alma mater isn't what it was 20 years ago and is a shitlib tyranny and I'd rather the kids go somewhere sane. If legacy plays no role in admissions, my donations stop immediately. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147463) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 10:40 PM Author: Costumed Vigorous Headpube absolutely - I'm sure there are a lot of guys thinking like you. and schools know legacies increase donations, which is a big reason why they do it. and similarly, i know what you mean about how sad it is to see once great institutions become ideologically misguided. I still see some romance in the tradition of having multiple generations attend a school if you can manage it, idk, maybe that's overly sentimental. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48148398) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:40 PM Author: Onyx bat-shit-crazy sound barrier hominid Assuming the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment incorporates most provisions of the Bill of Rights (which I think is bullshit, but is how it is) into the application state law -- I never understood how any laws like this don't violate the first amendment.
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:43 PM Author: Burgundy home so non-jew white male admissions will go from 4% to 1% perhaps (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48146980) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:59 PM Author: Odious ruddy stock car trailer park (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147048) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 9:38 PM Author: Aquamarine razzle-dazzle boistinker still too high (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48148146) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:45 PM Author: Violet Bat Shit Crazy Degenerate Range can't think of a good reason for being against this while also being against AA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48146987) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:47 PM Author: brilliant deer antler cr
the "private institutions rights" line of argument is perfectly valid, but there aren't many good reasons to be against AA and for legacy nonsense |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 8:43 PM Author: Sienna den exactly. im broadly against the state meddling in the affairs of private enterprises, but if they're going to meddle id prefer it to be to promote good things (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147993) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:52 PM Author: seedy space messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147455) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:00 PM Author: Cerise Church Half-breed Because it's illegal to discriminate on the basis of race. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147487) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:02 PM Author: dashing brindle hospital (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147496) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:47 PM Author: razzle shrine pozpig 180 a million. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48146997) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:49 PM Author: Translucent theater friendly grandma didn't his wife literally eat the peanuts out of weinstein's turtle (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147005) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:01 PM Author: Claret anal pocket flask She described under oath how she moaned like a whore for him, not flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147056) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:08 PM Author: Translucent theater friendly grandma jfc lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147085) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:12 PM Author: Mildly autistic big whorehouse rigpig ljl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147098) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:46 PM Author: Costumed Vigorous Headpube and then the jury found that she did so willingly, for monetary gain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147445) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 9:36 PM Author: Translucent theater friendly grandma tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48148139) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 6:23 PM Author: Costumed Vigorous Headpube (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48151460) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 8:52 PM Author: Stimulating chartreuse address telephone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48148031) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 10:21 PM Author: Costumed Vigorous Headpube (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48153054) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:10 PM Author: aqua sex offender rehab based
anyone with a brain should be against "legacy admissions" |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:24 PM Author: Grizzly Awkward Fortuitous Meteor Step-uncle's House you don't get to tell a private university it cannot use legacy as a factor in its admissions. it's not the government's place to care or get itself involved in (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147364) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:28 PM Author: aqua sex offender rehab shut the fuck up you drooling retard
these "private" universities only exist b/c of gov backed loans and federal research grants |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:35 PM Author: Grizzly Awkward Fortuitous Meteor Step-uncle's House so the government does have a right to tell them how to handle admissions? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147401) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 8:39 PM Author: dashing brindle hospital yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147974) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 11:21 PM Author: Grizzly Awkward Fortuitous Meteor Step-uncle's House authoritarian lib and wrong |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:20 PM Author: Mahogany Set Jap the only 'preference' in admissions should be for athletes, because it's reasonable to look at their aptitude in sports and understand the time invested in that kept them from fake af ec's like 'starting a non-profit' and 'doing research'. ball don't lie (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147127) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:41 PM Author: vermilion nursing home sweet tailpipe I have come to the conclusion that I am not really against AA or legacy admits. I guess you could base admission on some weighted scale of standardized testing, grades and extracurriculars (even these are questionable on pure merit based admission, maybe) You get above a certain score you get into UTexas or Harvard or whatever. But I don't really see that as being any better than what we had before. A school full of asians and jews? Sounds great! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147191) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:46 PM Author: Burgundy home the thing is, even if you get rid of legacy admits AND AA, you still don't have a 'meritocracy' because some mystery factor is creating massive over representation of Jews even after controlling for test scores/IQ/population size. see: the notorious UNZ story documenting this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147201) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:50 PM Author: vermilion nursing home sweet tailpipe odd case (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147213) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:45 PM Author: Costumed Vigorous Headpube what's the conclusion, expected kinship network assistance, also with indian-americans? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147444) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:51 PM Author: Contagious sooty hall For the antisemites on here, J enrollment at the elite colleges have steadily declined in the last 20 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147452) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 8:42 AM Author: cobalt hairy legs scourge upon the earth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48149094) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:27 PM Author: Onyx bat-shit-crazy sound barrier hominid Fuck libs, but if private lib uni's want to admit a bunch of retarded URM and/or legacies with 100 point lower than normal SAT scores, none of my business. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147374) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:00 PM Author: pearl pontificating library there arent any private universities, except for hillsdale college which is funded entirely privately. "private" universities all use taxpayer money in the form of student loans so they are just public universities by another name. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147484) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:03 PM Author: Onyx bat-shit-crazy sound barrier hominid Non responsive to my "aught"-based point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147500) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:04 PM Author: pearl pontificating library what point is that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147502) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:05 PM Author: Onyx bat-shit-crazy sound barrier hominid "Fuck libs, but if private lib uni's want to admit a bunch of retarded URM and/or legacies with 100 point lower than normal SAT scores, none of my business." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147505) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:06 PM Author: pearl pontificating library there arent any private universities, except for hillsdale college which is funded entirely privately. "private" universities all use taxpayer money in the form of student loans so they are just public universities by another name.
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:33 PM Author: Onyx bat-shit-crazy sound barrier hominid You can't make up your own definitions (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147575) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:59 PM Author: pearl pontificating library the defense against eliminating legacy admits is that stanford is an elite university and there are factors that are more important that academics, like character, leadership ability, chads who come from long lines of prominent families who have served the country in high profile govt roles or have been generals or have succeeded in businesses to a really high degree, and that the potential of those students is worth far more than a superstudy who will get 1600 on the sats but otherwise has no civic or redeeming character or qualities
of course rationale works when you have noblesse oblige but those days have long since passed and every one of them are going to work for blackstone or whatever so this is a good thing overall |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:03 PM Author: Fighting Boiling Water Nobody itt has mentioned legacies and donors… donate. The schools need revenue. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147497) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:03 PM Author: Yapping Slate Tank Useless Brakes if anything it seems like they have too much revenue (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147501) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 8:53 PM Author: Stimulating chartreuse address telephone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48148033) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:04 PM Author: dashing brindle hospital (Bill Ackman) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147503) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:32 PM Author: purple galvanic national quadroon "in the real world, this sort of law has mixed results, i think. it weakens alumni support at the margin. but it means that rich kids don't have an inside track." up above. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147570) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 8:53 PM Author: Stimulating chartreuse address telephone These administrators aren't going to administer themselves! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48148037) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 8:29 PM Author: Heady Startled Becky why doesn't he use his authority as governor to instill "meritocracy" for driver's licenses and voting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48147955) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 10:20 PM Author: razzle shrine pozpig If voting and driving required merit, proportionately more immigrants would be allowed to do both than American citizens would. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48148309) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 10:27 PM Author: Heady Startled Becky no shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48148346) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 10:28 PM Author: razzle shrine pozpig Facts don't care about your feelings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48148349) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 9:37 PM Author: Aquamarine razzle-dazzle boistinker This is 180 and shld have been done long ago and its lame faggot conshits dont preach for anti-legacy cause if their argument abt AA is its unfair then this shit is too and it doesnt matter if its about school raising money. If u are saying ppl are only donating money so their retard kids can get in then that is just bribery
FURK THE USA DET TO AMERIKKKA there is no legacy in 180 GORGEOUS CHINKISTAN, rich families send their retard kids abroad cause they CANNOT compete |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 9:43 PM Author: Grizzly Awkward Fortuitous Meteor Step-uncle's House you have a problem with it then don't hire the kid from vandy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48148163) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 10:26 PM Author: Aquamarine razzle-dazzle boistinker stfu retard, that isnt the solution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48148339) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 10:39 PM Author: Grizzly Awkward Fortuitous Meteor Step-uncle's House not all problems have or require a solution but that is a solution |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 10:33 PM Author: sexy trip tanning salon (UCSD grad w/AA) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48148375) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 10:13 PM Author: elite field A few points on this:
1. Legacy admits were not really underqualified. On average i believe they had higher test scores. I have no problem with schools reducing the randomness of the admissions process for people who have a history with the school.
2. AA wasn't really a problem it was the magnitude of AA. People would've been okay if 1 out 4 asian kids with a 1500 SAT score got in while 4 out of 4 black kids did. The problem is when 1 out of 10 Asian kids with a 1500 get in and 4 out of 4 black kids with a 1200 get in.
3. Big donors obviously get in - I'm sorry this is America. You don't take $20 million from someone and then reject their grandkid if he's anywhere near the requirements. We learned from the celeb scandal this type of admissions requires millions - and you have to be a complete moron to think that the entire student body isn't better off having a billionaire's kid there.
4. The celeb scandal showed that these schools are way too MEROCRATIC for their own good. Why can't Lori Loughlin's kid get into USC just because she's Lori Loughlin's kid? She was hot and has 1 million followers on Instagram? You don't think there might be some benefits to having celeb kids in a school known for hits film school? Jonah Hill and i'm sure many others were discovered becase of their friends famous fathers.
You don't go to Stanford because of the lectures - you go there because its (i) signaling that you're smart and (ii) putting you into an elite network. AA killed (i), conversely this ruling would kill (ii). |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 10:27 PM Author: Aquamarine razzle-dazzle boistinker the NOWAG lolsuit against Harvard showed most legacies wldnt have gotten in if it was purely on merit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48148341) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 10:54 PM Author: elite field What did it say exactly?
Admissions is stupid. MOST people would not get in via "merit' because the "merit" is the whims of the adcoms.
Do legacies have the SAT scores? If so, let them in. |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 10:59 AM Author: Hairraiser faggot firefighter The NOWAG lawsuit showed legacy admits were more qualified than a typical applicant. They just go in disproportionately. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48149463) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 6:36 PM Author: low-t umber dog poop > The NOWAG lawsuit showed legacy admits were more qualified than a typical applicant.
Completely meaningless. The only thing that matters is how they compare to the typical acceptee, not applicant. |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 10:28 PM Author: Aquamarine razzle-dazzle boistinker the donor argument is so stupid, if u are sayin DUHHHH SCHOOLS HAVE TO LEFT IN BIG DONORS RETARD KIDS then thats just bribery and just say it openly and legalize it and have the schools disclose what they are doing instead of this closet faggot bullshit
Imagine for govt jerbs if u had the same argument, retard |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 10:57 PM Author: elite field "just say it openly"
They put the family's name on the buildings asshat.
It takes in the millions to get someone in as a donor. If you're interested, i'm sure you can call them up to chat about it. |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 8:47 AM Author: Aquamarine razzle-dazzle boistinker rich furks can donate money for univ to be KIND, not cause there's an expectation their retard kids get in (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48149104) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 10:57 AM Author: Boyish tantric corn cake fanboi the point dumbass is that the bar to buy your way in is set so high to the point it doesn't affect the overall quality of the student population and it benefits the university by them getting donor $ and benefits the students because they have a rich idiot they can network with in their cohort. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48149457) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 11:06 AM Author: Hairraiser faggot firefighter Only childless people think this way. Donating and legacy admission is a means for (i) successful alumni to impart their lessons into an institution they feel a part of, and (ii) to further develop their own offspring with the lessons they have inculcated in them since birth, within a network of similarly successful families.
The pure “meritocracy” of test scores and GPAs has fallen victim to Goodhart’s law. College was never about finding the best test takers and giving them a degree. |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 6:38 PM Author: low-t umber dog poop > College was never about finding the best test takers and giving them a degree.
Is there another developed country where children of donors get such naked preferential treatment in college admissions? Please let me know if you can name one. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 7:32 AM Author: Boyish tantric corn cake fanboi America is the only “developed” country (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48154025) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 1:05 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Dilemma "You don't go to Stanford because of the lectures - you go there because its (i) signaling that you're smart and (ii) putting you into an elite network. AA killed (i), conversely this ruling would kill (ii)."
Stanford will just ignore this law like all the other times schools ignored rulings on AA. |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 1:06 PM Author: vermilion nursing home sweet tailpipe I don't think AA killed (i) in your scenario. The ivies, Stanford, UC schools, Mich, etc. were still sought after regardless of their AA policies. If AA killed (i) it would have created some incentive for schools to phase it out without being pressured to do so.
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Date: September 30th, 2024 11:26 PM Author: Heady Startled Becky imagine the head of pr for stanford saying "we cant just take chinese kids who cheated on the sats because then no one will want to go to school here" it would be like if aaron rodgers had just come out and said "i didnt marry danica patrick bc shes a crusty old bitch and i didnt want to sign the damn legal documents" stuff like this has been so obvious for so long i cant believe you dorks are still bothering to debate it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48148516) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 11:08 AM Author: Hairraiser faggot firefighter Stanford (and other public and private universities) used to have policies where the children of professors were autoadmits if they had semi-decent applications (LOL Kamala). Anyone know if they still have them or if this bill stomps that out? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=2755525",#48149485) |
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