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"Chopin is the greatest piano composer" Y/N?

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Soggy Bearded Factory Reset Button
  06/20/12
I prefer Satie, but I realize Chopin is probably objectively...
Vibrant Cordovan Ticket Booth Kitty
  06/20/12
what are your favorite compositions by Satie?
Soggy Bearded Factory Reset Button
  06/21/12
Satie is way more limited. Most people who like Satie just l...
territorial scarlet sound barrier philosopher-king
  12/19/12
idk but Chopin is 180
Confused address
  06/20/12
i believe this was before To be fair
Electric trust fund
  06/20/12
that would be Ludwig van Beethoven HTH
Motley Hot Field Stock Car
  12/19/12
lol
beady-eyed erotic voyeur gas station
  12/19/12
(ignorant reptile prole with no classical training)
Motley Hot Field Stock Car
  01/10/13
TBF, my favorite piano music is mostly Bach, but he did not ...
territorial scarlet sound barrier philosopher-king
  12/19/12
Bach, actually. Wrote more complicated shit than m...
boyish piazza
  12/19/12
bach didnt write for piano
Motley Hot Field Stock Car
  01/10/13
bach was also not the father of baroque music at all - he wa...
territorial scarlet sound barrier philosopher-king
  01/10/13
I guess you need to skim wikipedia for longer than 45 second...
charismatic mediation
  01/10/13
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provocative pocket flask preventive strike
  01/10/13
Going to get shit for this but.... Erik Satie.
Coiffed nowag
  01/10/13
Not trying to be a dick here, but are there really more than...
territorial scarlet sound barrier philosopher-king
  01/10/13
He's got some tasty nuggets, but I don't think it makes sens...
charismatic mediation
  01/10/13
I also don't get the impression that he's much of a pianist'...
territorial scarlet sound barrier philosopher-king
  01/10/13
(pianist here) his music is very simple to play. minimalist ...
Motley Hot Field Stock Car
  01/10/13
I think of his stuff as a really interesting curiosity. His ...
charismatic mediation
  01/10/13
music for people who don't really like music now this is ...
High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop
  01/10/13
Beethoven's 32 sonatas are the greatest contribution to pian...
Motley Hot Field Stock Car
  01/10/13
Highly credited. We're probably still catching up to what he...
purple giraffe point
  01/10/13
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vivacious mint step-uncle's house legal warrant
  03/05/26
Cr I love playing and listening to Chopin.... But the obj...
aquamarine background story
  01/10/13
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flatulent brilliant set
  03/05/26
Not the greatest ever but possibly the greatest living
Vigorous avocado church building
  01/10/13
favorite chopin interpreters?
territorial scarlet sound barrier philosopher-king
  01/10/13
I'll start with the odvious, Horowitz.
Motley Hot Field Stock Car
  01/10/13
not obvious. rubinstein is the obvious
razzle twinkling chad
  01/10/13
lipatti is the obvious, FUCK THE HATERS http://www.youtub...
High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop
  01/10/13
obviously your proles have never heard of kaikhosru shapurji...
High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop
  01/10/13
EDIT: holy shit, i legit though you made up this name
territorial scarlet sound barrier philosopher-king
  01/10/13
edit: hahaha yeah one of the great madmen of piano compositi...
High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop
  01/10/13
spotifying the dude right now
territorial scarlet sound barrier philosopher-king
  01/10/13
lol no joke: I just put "Two Piano Pieces" on Spot...
territorial scarlet sound barrier philosopher-king
  01/10/13
if you want an interesting listen, you should check out rzew...
High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop
  01/10/13
To be fair, (Conlon Nancarrow)
arousing legend
  02/18/14
lol
charismatic mediation
  01/10/13
Bach's BWV 639 sends shivers down my spine every time I hear...
passionate therapy
  01/10/13
excellent choice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fhqqxEQRRY
High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop
  01/10/13
One of my favorite pieces of music. But it's Busoni you have...
territorial scarlet sound barrier philosopher-king
  01/10/13
W.W.Rina.S.?
Mind-boggling sexy bawdyhouse jewess
  01/10/13
I'm taking over this thread. It's now about random cool reco...
High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop
  01/10/13
ernie looks like doobs
Vigorous avocado church building
  01/10/13
heifetz plays the slow movement of the respighi violin sonat...
High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop
  01/10/13
the saint-saens oboe sonata is not nearly as well known as i...
High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop
  01/10/13
ligeti's "artikulation" with visual score: http://...
High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop
  01/10/13
racist classical music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brC3q...
High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop
  01/10/13
oistrakh plays locatelli's "labyrinth" live: ht...
High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop
  01/10/13
messiaen has an unusual take on christmas music: http://www....
High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop
  01/10/13
nancarrow has an expanded view of the possibilities offered ...
High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop
  01/10/13
ever hear of ruggles? if not: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop
  01/10/13
To be fair, Use your ears like goddamn men
arousing legend
  02/18/14
diamond's symphony #3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7ImTH...
High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop
  01/10/13
a counter-tenor sings the tchaikovsky "lullaby" ...
High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop
  01/10/13
i'll bet you didn't know that tchaikovsky wrote string quart...
High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop
  01/10/13
No
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  03/21/16


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Date: June 20th, 2012 11:58 PM
Author: Soggy Bearded Factory Reset Button



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#20925745)



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Date: June 20th, 2012 11:58 PM
Author: Vibrant Cordovan Ticket Booth Kitty

I prefer Satie, but I realize Chopin is probably objectively better.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#20925749)



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Date: June 21st, 2012 12:48 AM
Author: Soggy Bearded Factory Reset Button

what are your favorite compositions by Satie?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#20926140)



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Date: December 19th, 2012 5:51 PM
Author: territorial scarlet sound barrier philosopher-king

Satie is way more limited. Most people who like Satie just like the same few pieces by him, which tbf are great.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22282076)



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Date: June 20th, 2012 11:59 PM
Author: Confused address

idk but Chopin is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#20925752)



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Date: June 20th, 2012 11:59 PM
Author: Electric trust fund

i believe this was before To be fair

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#20925754)



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Date: December 19th, 2012 5:43 PM
Author: Motley Hot Field Stock Car

that would be Ludwig van Beethoven HTH

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22282040)



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Date: December 19th, 2012 6:43 PM
Author: beady-eyed erotic voyeur gas station

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22282350)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 9:38 AM
Author: Motley Hot Field Stock Car

(ignorant reptile prole with no classical training)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22405787)



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Date: December 19th, 2012 5:51 PM
Author: territorial scarlet sound barrier philosopher-king

TBF, my favorite piano music is mostly Bach, but he did not compose it for the piano obv

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22282079)



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Date: December 19th, 2012 6:45 PM
Author: boyish piazza

Bach, actually.

Wrote more complicated shit than most of the other composers people generally speak of when they're talking about goat composers and was considered the father of baroque music.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22282358)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 9:39 AM
Author: Motley Hot Field Stock Car

bach didnt write for piano

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22405788)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 9:55 AM
Author: territorial scarlet sound barrier philosopher-king

bach was also not the father of baroque music at all - he was a late baroque composer. He was more like the pinnacle of it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22405820)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 10:06 AM
Author: charismatic mediation

I guess you need to skim wikipedia for longer than 45 seconds before expounding on xo next time, huh breh?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22405841)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 10:20 AM
Author: provocative pocket flask preventive strike



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22405886)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 10:06 AM
Author: Coiffed nowag

Going to get shit for this but.... Erik Satie.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22405842)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 10:07 AM
Author: territorial scarlet sound barrier philosopher-king

Not trying to be a dick here, but are there really more than three or four piano pieces by Satie that you know?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22405847)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 10:07 AM
Author: charismatic mediation

He's got some tasty nuggets, but I don't think it makes sense to compare him to Chopin.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22405848)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 10:09 AM
Author: territorial scarlet sound barrier philosopher-king

I also don't get the impression that he's much of a pianist's piano composer, if you know what I mean. Not that that's all that matters.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22405854)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 10:10 AM
Author: Motley Hot Field Stock Car

(pianist here) his music is very simple to play. minimalist and easy. fun little pieces to play for girls, but it gets boring

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22405859)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 10:16 AM
Author: charismatic mediation

I think of his stuff as a really interesting curiosity. His compositions are intentionally very limited. Nothing else quite gives me the same feeling as listening to the Gymnopedies, but it's a static kind of sensation, at least for me.

I like him, but it's almost as if he's not a "composer" in the same sense as someone like Chopin.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22405875)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 12:02 PM
Author: High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop

music for people who don't really like music

now this is piano music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDY2E8LGpDI

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22406366)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 10:15 AM
Author: Motley Hot Field Stock Car

Beethoven's 32 sonatas are the greatest contribution to piano literature

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22405871)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 10:30 AM
Author: purple giraffe point

Highly credited. We're probably still catching up to what he was doing in the Hammerklavier.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22405925)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 9:13 PM
Author: vivacious mint step-uncle's house legal warrant



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#49719634)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 10:34 AM
Author: aquamarine background story

Cr

I love playing and listening to Chopin.... But the objective brilliance of beethoven is off the charts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22405938)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 11:29 PM
Author: flatulent brilliant set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#49719943)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 10:34 AM
Author: Vigorous avocado church building

Not the greatest ever but possibly the greatest living

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22405936)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 10:43 AM
Author: territorial scarlet sound barrier philosopher-king

favorite chopin interpreters?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22405969)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 10:47 AM
Author: Motley Hot Field Stock Car

I'll start with the odvious, Horowitz.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22405997)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 11:52 AM
Author: razzle twinkling chad

not obvious. rubinstein is the obvious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22406325)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 11:59 AM
Author: High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop

lipatti is the obvious, FUCK THE HATERS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwdllqgXqyA >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiwmOJPGMjs

argerich too, you sexist shit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Pyf4sr6HDo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22406349)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 10:55 AM
Author: High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop

obviously your proles have never heard of kaikhosru shapurji sorabji

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22406040)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 11:01 AM
Author: territorial scarlet sound barrier philosopher-king

EDIT: holy shit, i legit though you made up this name

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22406065)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 11:02 AM
Author: High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop

edit: hahaha yeah one of the great madmen of piano composition

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22406073)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 11:19 AM
Author: territorial scarlet sound barrier philosopher-king

spotifying the dude right now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22406143)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 11:22 AM
Author: territorial scarlet sound barrier philosopher-king

lol no joke: I just put "Two Piano Pieces" on Spotify, not realizing I had a Busoni thing running in the background on youtube and I was like "Holy shit this is the craziest thing I've ever heard, arhythmic, microtonal music written for two pianos out-of-tune with each other"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22406148)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 11:28 AM
Author: High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop

if you want an interesting listen, you should check out rzewski's variations on "the people united will never be defeated"

it's pretty long (50 min) so if that's too much here's something cool from a little-known composer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-K0sFpJRyA

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22406168)



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Date: February 18th, 2014 12:43 AM
Author: arousing legend

To be fair,

(Conlon Nancarrow)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#25039633)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 11:04 AM
Author: charismatic mediation

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22406082)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 12:07 PM
Author: passionate therapy

Bach's BWV 639 sends shivers down my spine every time I hear it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22406388)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 12:11 PM
Author: High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop

excellent choice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fhqqxEQRRY

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22406407)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 12:11 PM
Author: territorial scarlet sound barrier philosopher-king

One of my favorite pieces of music. But it's Busoni you have to thank for it being played on piano.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22406409)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 12:14 PM
Author: Mind-boggling sexy bawdyhouse jewess

W.W.Rina.S.?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22406415)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 12:15 PM
Author: High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop

I'm taking over this thread. It's now about random cool recordings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp81bUoH3u4 -- heifetz plays the slow mvmt from dohnanyi's "ruralia hungarica"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22406418)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 12:18 PM
Author: Vigorous avocado church building

ernie looks like doobs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22406436)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 12:17 PM
Author: High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop

heifetz plays the slow movement of the respighi violin sonata - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxtgKDLzlLw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22406429)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 12:17 PM
Author: High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop

the saint-saens oboe sonata is not nearly as well known as it should be: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Buh6lu3eU

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22406431)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 12:18 PM
Author: High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop

ligeti's "artikulation" with visual score: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71hNl_skTZQ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22406437)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 12:19 PM
Author: High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop

racist classical music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brC3qrv3Yv0

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22406440)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 12:20 PM
Author: High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop

oistrakh plays locatelli's "labyrinth" live:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibVt9aYL3hs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22406442)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 12:23 PM
Author: High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop

messiaen has an unusual take on christmas music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEKU2A_B6tA

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22406450)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 12:25 PM
Author: High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop

nancarrow has an expanded view of the possibilities offered by the piano: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFXpcZoQPFw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22406454)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 12:26 PM
Author: High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop

ever hear of ruggles? if not: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6soFlEZAMYw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22406457)



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Date: February 18th, 2014 12:44 AM
Author: arousing legend

To be fair,

Use your ears like goddamn men

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#25039642)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 12:28 PM
Author: High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop

diamond's symphony #3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7ImTHXYd4c

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22406462)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 12:30 PM
Author: High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop

a counter-tenor sings the tchaikovsky "lullaby"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYgZbSbEvO8

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22406468)



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Date: January 10th, 2013 12:33 PM
Author: High-end Exciting Son Of Senegal Gaming Laptop

i'll bet you didn't know that tchaikovsky wrote string quartets:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx0_Pb-kVTM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl3ckjAgxqI

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#22406473)



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Date: March 21st, 2016 6:27 PM
Author: vermilion tattoo

No

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1975355&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=3986969#30107508)