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WSJ: The Six-Figure Earners Who Don’t Feel Rich

WSJ finally realizes 6-figures is LMC https://www.wsj.com...
null
  10/06/24
these stories are catnip, like writing about tipping -- ...
Kenneth Play
  10/06/24
The last guy needs to pull his kids from private school. He...
Gregor
  10/06/24
You're talking to a three-time chief revenue officer* *...
Ass Sunstein
  10/06/24
How the fuck can you not afford a house in Rochester, N.Y. o...
animeboi
  10/06/24
(NRY)
FizzKidd
  10/06/24
No way she's actually making $300k/yr as a "career coac...
Ass Sunstein
  10/06/24
This is an interesting stat, idk if I would've guessed it ri...
Kenneth Play
  10/06/24
wait till we start STAPLING GREEN CARDS TO DIPLOMAS, HURR DU...
.,,...,.,.,,....,,.,.,,.,.,.,.
  10/06/24
The mid 7-fig chick seems newly unemployed, she can probably...
Ass Sunstein
  10/06/24
nutella tp
Sultan of Brunet
  10/06/24
All the people in this article are UNEMPLOYED (career coach,...
Ass Sunstein
  10/06/24
This whole thing is a promotion for these people’s sma...
disco fries
  10/06/24
i know who that fucking albrecht guy is. he's always poastin...
a jewish faggot
  10/06/24
having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax g...
Bill (((Goldberg)))
  10/06/24
lol
Kenneth Play
  10/06/24
"Lifestyle creep is a factor too, she says, noting clie...
samoth
  10/06/24
I am never playing the game ever again, brother. Buying thin...
disco fries
  10/06/24
Oh okay. Then when will you stop being fat?
.,,,.,.,.,.,.,..,.,.,.,.,...,.,.,.,;
  10/06/24
Your family barely tolerates you despite all that you do for...
Fucking Fuckface
  10/06/24
Aren’t you back on whatnot?
Xiaorong, from Michigan
  10/06/24
No, I gave that up.
disco fries
  10/06/24
You poasted this morning you were back on it
Xiaorong, from Michigan
  10/06/24
I have since given it up.
disco fries
  10/06/24
Literally everything is 10x "CPI" hmmmmmmmmm
C'MON MAN!
  10/06/24
lately libs love telling people that the economy is doing gr...
Trump is the Lib Killer
  10/06/24
Her husband is a stay at home dad so that is really $300k HH...
.,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.
  10/06/24
30K for daycare isn’t bad for a family with a 7 figure...
.,.,...,..,.,..:,,:,......,;:.,.:..:.,:,::,.
  10/06/24
It surely is
,,,,.....,,,,...,........,,,.....,,...,...
  10/06/24
There’s no way they have “mid 7 figures” l...
.....,,,,,...,,,,,..,.,,,,,.,,.
  10/06/24
basically everyone is middle class and treading water these ...
Trump is the Lib Killer
  10/06/24
I think a big unspoken factor here is choosing to live in pl...
.....,,,,,...,,,,,..,.,,,,,.,,.
  10/06/24
I think you’re missing the point ten years ago peo...
Trump is the Lib Killer
  10/06/24
But there are also a lot more people like this now. My form...
Gregor
  10/06/24
IME people like this stay in LA, SF, NYC, DC, Boston because...
Gregor
  10/06/24


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Date: October 6th, 2024 1:15 PM
Author: null

WSJ finally realizes 6-figures is LMC

https://www.wsj.com/lifestyle/careers/high-earner-not-rich-yet-finances-fb8ae842

https://archive.ph/4G7uD

Fifteen years ago if you’d told April Little that she’d make $300,000 a year, she would have pictured a life free of financial stress.

“The white picket fence—I have the whole visual in my head,” says Little, 38 years old, a human-resources executive turned career coach in Rochester, N.Y. “I don’t want to sound ungrateful, but when I got to that proverbial mountaintop I realized there’s a lot of expenses. And I still don’t own a home.”

So go the plush-but-not-too-plush lives of the Americans who qualify as HENRY—high earner, not rich yet.

Little makes multiple six figures running her own business but carries $90,000 of college and grad-school debt. Child care and education for her three children would be so costly that she and her husband decided the better option was for him to leave his radio job to parent and home-school full time.

New census data show 14.4% of U.S. households bring in $200,000 or more a year, a near record. Yet the money doesn’t have the buying power those earners wish it did, partly due to the rising prices hammering us all and partly due to the supercharged costs of things like houses and cars. HENRYs describe feeling stuck on a hamster wheel—a nice one that other hamsters envy—but running in place nonetheless.

Oh come on, you’re thinking. You’re asking me to feel sympathy for Audi-driving, Chase Sapphire-loving, Whole Foods-shopping consultant types with kids in private school?

Well…not exactly. But what they’re feeling is a version of what a lot of Americans at every income level face—making more money but not feeling like there’s a surplus. The essence of being a HENRY is feeling a gap between what you have and what you think you need to be comfortable.

What these high earners consider essentials might be termed luxuries (or nonsense) by the rest of us, but it’s also true that it takes more money to feel rich these days. And their great fear is becoming a HENRE: high earner, not rich ever.

Attorney Joshua Siegel doesn’t expect sympathy as he motors around Los Angeles in his Lexus SUV. He just figured at age 40, having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group at Albrecht Law, that he might be driving from a house he owns to a country club where he’s a member.

Instead, his occasional golf outings take him from his rental home to a public course. Raising three kids in one of the country’s most expensive cities has been a reality check, he says. He’s also realized that a lot of people with jobs like his come from wealthy families where trust funds and down-payment assistance give them financial head starts.

The son of an electrician and a dental assistant, Siegel is making his own way in the white-collar world.

“It really just feels like treading water,” he says.

Monique So, a 40-year-old financial consultant, says she and her husband, a software engineer, have a net worth in the mid-seven figures. But she likely won’t breathe easy until, or if, they accumulate an eight-figure net worth. Daycare for their 2-year-old takes a $30,000 bite out of their family budget.

“I have this scarcity mindset that is very common,” she says.

Caitlin Frederick, director of financial planning at Ullmann Wealth Partners in Jacksonville Beach, Fla., says many of her midcareer clients are less affluent than their salaries suggest. She advises a lot of prototypical millennials who racked up student loans in hopes of vaulting into high-paying jobs. They delayed buying houses and starting families while climbing professional ladders.

The first part of their plans worked, she says. The degrees led to hefty incomes. Now that they’re having kids, shopping for real estate and wishing to upgrade their Camrys, they’re discovering that many of life’s major expenses shot up faster than the overall rate of inflation.

Lifestyle creep is a factor too, she says, noting clients who overspend on trips and restaurants.

“It is easy for people to just continue to increase their lifestyle every time they get a promotion,” Frederick says.

Then again, they watched their slightly older co-workers spend freely, and buy lake houses, too. The good life requires more money than it used to, she adds.

In 2009, the median home price was $220,900, according to the Federal Reserve, and a new car cost an average of $23,276, according to the Energy Department. Had prices increased at the rate of the consumer-price index, the average house would cost $322,000 today and a car would cost $34,000. Instead, the Fed reports an average house goes for $412,000 today, and a typical new car is $48,000, according to Kelley Blue Book.

The national going rate for a babysitter 15 years ago was $10.50 an hour, according to Care.com. Now it’s $18.38, 20% more than if the cost had tracked the consumer-price index.

Budget-conscious HENRYs tell me it’s often hard to find midtier options in, well, anything, as companies push luxury versions of everything from high-end water bottles to $1,000-a-night hotel rooms.

Another financial curveball comes up frequently in my conversations with high earners: school costs.

Nearly half of American private schools increased enrollment in the last academic year, according to the Cato Institute. Parents who originally planned to send their children to public school tell me they’ve gone private for reasons that include pandemic learning disruptions, public schools’ difficulty retaining good teachers and budget problems. Some say they’re convinced private schools are the only places their kids will thrive, though more than 80% of American kids attend public school.

Brad Gyger and his wife shuttle their three children around in a 2014 GMC Yukon with 130,000 miles—not exactly the late-model, luxury ride he expected to own as a three-time chief revenue officer in the tech sector. Then again, he didn’t anticipate annual private-school tuition payments roughly equivalent to the price of a new, fully loaded Cadillac Escalade.

Gyger, now an independent sales consultant in California, says he didn’t consider private education until a few years ago, when he and his wife concluded their oldest child would thrive in a more academically challenging environment. The school could also accommodate their second child’s learning needs. And how could they leave out the youngest?

Gyger, 46, says his family is fortunate to even have education options. The trade-off is living more modestly than his résumé might suggest.

He gave up gym and tennis-club memberships, opting to stay fit on the cheap by cycling and lifting dumbbells in his garage. And forget about upgrading from the home the couple bought in 2015.

“We’re probably never moving,” says Gyger. He hopes they’ll remodel the kitchen. Someday.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169117)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 1:19 PM
Author: Kenneth Play

these stories are catnip, like writing about tipping

--

"The essence of being a HENRY is feeling a gap between what you have and what you think you need to be comfortable.

What these high earners consider essentials might be termed luxuries (or nonsense) by the rest of us, but it’s also true that it takes more money to feel rich these days."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169129)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 1:22 PM
Author: Gregor

The last guy needs to pull his kids from private school. He doesnt understand what he can/cannot afford

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169139)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 1:40 PM
Author: Ass Sunstein

You're talking to a three-time chief revenue officer*

*now an "independent sales consultant"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169187)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 1:22 PM
Author: animeboi (.)

How the fuck can you not afford a house in Rochester, N.Y. on $300k/yr?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169140)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 1:26 PM
Author: FizzKidd (derpy STEM dysgenic)

(NRY)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169155)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 1:33 PM
Author: Ass Sunstein

No way she's actually making $300k/yr as a "career coach".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169171)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 1:29 PM
Author: Kenneth Play

This is an interesting stat, idk if I would've guessed it right

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Some say they’re convinced private schools are the only places their kids will thrive, though more than 80% of American kids attend public school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169159)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 1:30 PM
Author: .,,...,.,.,,....,,.,.,,.,.,.,.


wait till we start STAPLING GREEN CARDS TO DIPLOMAS, HURR DURR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169163)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 1:36 PM
Author: Ass Sunstein

The mid 7-fig chick seems newly unemployed, she can probably stop spending $30k on day care.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/moniqueso/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169177)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 3:30 PM
Author: Sultan of Brunet

nutella tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169583)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 1:41 PM
Author: Ass Sunstein

All the people in this article are UNEMPLOYED (career coach, independent sales consultant, also the financial analyst).

Even the lawyer too, his firm is just him and one other guy and their website says "coming soon".



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169190)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 1:52 PM
Author: disco fries (28.5 fortnights to Teewinot friends - 355lbs)

This whole thing is a promotion for these people’s smaller businesses and it is entirely BS. Albrecht Law is a 2-person firm. Albrecht probably told Siegel that he needed to generate some more press and attention for the firm and making up things is a great way to do it. Albrecht himself used to go on LinkedIn as an associate and write long winded poasts about how he encouraged his kids do be proud of wearing their kippahs out in public or how he always wears a suit around the house because he’s a lawyer and that is his uniform. Also, likely a poaster.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169219)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 1:58 PM
Author: a jewish faggot

i know who that fucking albrecht guy is. he's always poasting jew shit on linkedin, along the lines you mentioned.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169257)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 2:28 PM
Author: Bill (((Goldberg)))

having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group having risen to partner and chair of the transactional tax group

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169389)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 3:09 PM
Author: Kenneth Play

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169505)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 1:56 PM
Author: samoth

"Lifestyle creep is a factor too, she says, noting clients who overspend on trips and restaurants.

“It is easy for people to just continue to increase their lifestyle every time they get a promotion,” Frederick says."

There's really no way to not lose when playing this game.

High school never truly ends for many people. They continue to covet everything the cool kids have, bleating with jealousy as they "watch... their slightly older co-workers spend freely, and buy lake houses."

The only way to win is to not play the game.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169243)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 1:58 PM
Author: disco fries (28.5 fortnights to Teewinot friends - 355lbs)

I am never playing the game ever again, brother. Buying things you don’t need is such an empty an unwholesome endeavor. I have learned my lesson. I will covet every dollar and only invest in what really matters: my family and my health.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169254)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 2:30 PM
Author: .,,,.,.,.,.,.,..,.,.,.,.,...,.,.,.,; ( )


Oh okay. Then when will you stop being fat?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169393)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 2:57 PM
Author: Fucking Fuckface

Your family barely tolerates you despite all that you do for them. What's your plan for turning that around?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169472)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 3:13 PM
Author: Xiaorong, from Michigan

Aren’t you back on whatnot?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169517)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 3:14 PM
Author: disco fries (28.5 fortnights to Teewinot friends - 355lbs)

No, I gave that up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169528)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 3:15 PM
Author: Xiaorong, from Michigan

You poasted this morning you were back on it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169532)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 3:17 PM
Author: disco fries (28.5 fortnights to Teewinot friends - 355lbs)

I have since given it up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169535)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 1:59 PM
Author: C'MON MAN!

Literally everything is 10x "CPI" hmmmmmmmmm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169259)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 3:40 PM
Author: Trump is the Lib Killer (TDNW)

lately libs love telling people that the economy is doing great and everyone is doing better

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169617)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 2:30 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.


Her husband is a stay at home dad so that is really $300k HHI. They also have 3 kids.

But yeah, $300k/year obviously isn't much these days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169396)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 2:36 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,..:,,:,......,;:.,.:..:.,:,::,.


30K for daycare isn’t bad for a family with a 7 figure net worth assuming that’s not counting their phantom home valuation. And you can send the kid to public school when they turn 5. Not sure what that family is griping about

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169412)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 3:13 PM
Author: ,,,,.....,,,,...,........,,,.....,,...,...


It surely is

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169515)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 3:47 PM
Author: .....,,,,,...,,,,,..,.,,,,,.,,.


There’s no way they have “mid 7 figures” liquid net worth. Lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169653)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 3:40 PM
Author: Trump is the Lib Killer (TDNW)

basically everyone is middle class and treading water these days

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169622)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 3:46 PM
Author: .....,,,,,...,,,,,..,.,,,,,.,,.


I think a big unspoken factor here is choosing to live in places like Los Angeles.

The COL is generally insanely high and houses specifically are like $1.5m - $2m (which is going to be a huge chunk of your take home pay). Local taxes are pretty high compared to most places. And then you basically have no choice but to put your kids in private school because of the local “diversity” and the fact that public schools are basically the thunderdome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169646)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 3:48 PM
Author: Trump is the Lib Killer (TDNW)

I think you’re missing the point

ten years ago people with these jobs could afford much more than they do now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169661)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 3:53 PM
Author: Gregor

But there are also a lot more people like this now. My former firm 10 years ago just had lawyer positions. Recently it had tons of non lawyers doing all sort of "business" things with fancy titles obscuring what they do. They all seemed like MBAs who missed OCI.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169692)



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Date: October 6th, 2024 3:51 PM
Author: Gregor

IME people like this stay in LA, SF, NYC, DC, Boston because they are midwits and back office equivalent jobs exist there that pay $$ but not $$$$$. They could move to Wichita but the longer they have delayed that move the more $$$ housing has become and it will be impossible for them as midwits to find $$ equivalent jobs in Wichita at middle age. So they are stuck in LA/NYC area with kids.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5607340&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48169675)