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Date: September 30th, 2024 2:59 PM Author: Azure Odious Locus Pozpig
go look at "rabbi" "shmuley"s X account. it's hard to believe he isn't a psyop, and i think he might be. he's like very crude antisemitic trope in one ugly person. he literally looks like that hand-wringing cartoon jew caricature. his account is video after video of him following people around on the street yelling at them, after they allegedly said something anti-semitic to him (that part is never on the video, though, weird case).
he is doing wonders for based JQ types
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:08 PM Author: hateful soul-stirring theater
i've always been an anti-zionist. but i never really cared that much beyond not giving israel endless aid and that they should stand on their own two feet. israel's conflicts with it's neighbors didn't seem that different from all the west's conflict with natives they stole land from, and since we're not going to turn the clock back to 1945 any more than we're going to turn it back to 1492 and give america back to the indians, my thoughts were pretty much "the people living in the middle east can work out who owns the land, just like everywhere else."
10/7 and since really exposed how vile and bloodthirsty they are. this isn't two groups of people trying to figure out how to live where they were born and get along. it's about jews oppressing and eradicating their neighbors and expanding endlessly while kvetching the entire time about how they're the victims.
i still don't think i'd intervene on behalf of the muslims but does the US have to back them and give them endless money to do apartheid in perpetuity?
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:59 PM Author: hateful soul-stirring theater
and it's how they feel that this justifies any response at all that really hammers home how ghoulish they are.
let's say that israel are the good guys and were trying to work with palestinians in good faith. how does the actions of who they themselves describe as a terrorist group justify obliterating everyone? it would be like if we nuked charlottesville because of the "domestic terrorists" there.
any and all criticism of their operations is met with accusations of "antisemite!" and "oh, so israel CAN'T DEFEND ITSELF?" there is literally nothing sealclubber and CGM types will not defend. they are completely allergic to arguing in good faith. 10/7 happened therefore no amount of brutalism is off the table. it's bloodthirsty retaliation against people who most had no involvement in hamas.
and when you point this out you just get met with scoffs and derision. i kind of want israel to exist and chill out because i don't see a plausible way israel disappears without the us getting involved in huge conflict. but they refuse consider whether criticism of their brutality is anything but antisemetic apologism.
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:32 PM Author: hateful soul-stirring theater
twitter is mainstream. that's what i'm talking about -- it hurts your own cause.
you can argue the objective facts about what israel is doing without adding "and btw all jews are like that." i'm not a pollyanna and i know that stereotypes are broadly true. but at the same time i realize that there are always exceptions and regardless any identity based policy is repugnant to most people and therefore engaging in it is self-defeating if your goal is to actually move the needle.
i'd rather say "we should punish violent crime" without handicapping myself by adding "which is committed 10x more frequently by niggers."
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:40 PM Author: Underhanded fighting sweet tailpipe lay
haha yeah i still don't think you get these people. the only language they understand is force, whether it's verbal or physical. they didn't get kicked out of everywhere they've ever been because people took the high road with them and they understood that as broadly good and noble.
what you're arguing for inevitably leads to kikes subverting the "good jews" and destroying any momentum you might create.
i'm telling you, we have experience and we have history. this time will not be any different than it's ever been.
that said, of course any language that suggests "all jews are like that" isn't good language but that's because it's dumb and untrue, not because it's offensive.
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Date: September 30th, 2024 7:03 PM Author: Underhanded fighting sweet tailpipe lay
except i'm arguing against saying "all jews are like that."
he is arguing that islam is based on the tenets of terrorism and pedophilia, which is verifiably untrue, while i'm not making any such claims about judaism, i'm saying that kikes (not jews) should be called kikes when they are being kikes in limited circumstances (online communities, etc.), but that "all jews are kikes" should not be the mainstream position. this is based on an understanding of these people that i think you lack.
i'd advise you also keep our relative vantage points in mind. he is arguing from a position of strength, as israel murders people by the thousands, and his argument is that we're all bad. i'm arguing from a position of weakness, and my argument is that the bad ones should be identified as such and isolated to the fringes where they belong so that adults can have a chance to reframe the debate. and you're saying we're just as morally repugnant as they are? lol c'mon man
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:19 PM Author: wonderful magenta ticket booth mexican
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Look at how tiny Israel is compared to the land controlled by the Musbros. Really hard to believe that controlling yet more land is going to do it. What's more, Palestinians were offered a two state solution and rejected it. There demand is for everything and the extermination of every Jew on the planet. So Israel's options are war or to submit to being genocided by Muslims.
The war is 100% the fault of musbros. Not 90%. Not 99.9%. Not 99.999999%. We need to get to the point where muslims love their children more than they love murder. 13 centuries into the history of islam, we're still not there.
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:33 PM Author: hateful soul-stirring theater
"israel needs to accept that they bare some responsibility for the conflict and work in good faith to resolving it."
"israel is 100% right. as evidence of this, check out this map that shows that everyone is the region is against israel. we're outnumbered and surrounded! don't, uh, look at casualities or anything like that though haha. look how big sudan is! scary!!"
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thank you for rushing in to prove my point that zionists are the ones being unreasonable and are COMPLETELY INCAPABLE of recognizing they are anything but 100% a victim.
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:11 PM Author: wonderful magenta ticket booth mexican
"also ljl at trying to use the history of muslims to demonize them today. jews have been excluded and expelled for thousands of years. do you really want to rely on how jews were perceived by our ancestors to judge jews today?
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No, I want to rely on what muslims actually did. The twin pillars of the islamic faith are genocide and pedophilia. It's hardly shocking that they're continuing to engage in both to this very day. The islamic death cult divides the entire planet into two "houses": Area that has been conquered by islam, and area that will be conquered by islam. Israel just happens to be geographically convenient and hence is the target of nearly all the unprovoked islamic aggression.
"they continue to take land from palestinians. we've seen the conditions they've been forced to live in before 10/7. and we've seen how israel has retaliated since. instead of trying to defend it, you're just going to say "no, it isn't happening!""
This is all a lie. Israel voluntarily withdrew from Gaza, gave Palestinians control, and even donated food/water/electricity/fuel/medicine. This extreme charity was repaid with October 7. The islamic faith is completely structured around murder; it doesn't matter how "nice" you try to be. It's just impossible to make peace with a death cult. To the extent conditions are bad in musbro land, it's because islam is a miserable religion that makes everybody miserable, even its own adherents. The musbro world is welcome to renounce islam and join the civilized world at any time, they just refuse to do so.
By far the biggest challenge of the modern world is islam. You can have civilization or you can have islam, but you cannot have both.
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:52 PM Author: hateful soul-stirring theater
you sound just like the ukrainecucks telling me putin is heading to poland. this victim complex must be built into your dna. i've never seen the muslim world try to invade the west. when turkey starts amassing troops i'll reconsider my position.
the west bank and gaza is almost entirely muslim. i'm not buying the argument that israel settling these areas and keeping the muslims there under apartheid conditions is "defensive." it's clearly not.
israel has enjoyed nearly 100 years of endless support from the west. a nation that cannot protect itself has no right to exist. if you want to hold onto your patch of sand surrounded by musbros that's your choice. there is no reason for us to continue putting dollars and lives into the thresher. especially when you just lie about what you're doing.
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:22 PM Author: Swashbuckling principal's office
this is reddit tier trash and none of this really matters. anyone with a >90iq and understanding of history and political discourse will recognize that this will just devolve back into pointing the finger for past afflictions - "jews did X to cause this" "but arabs did Y" going back a few thousand years. litigating the moral foundations of either side on xo is going to get just about as far as it gets anywhere else. and it's all a proxy war for the interest of higher powers anyways, the palestinians are being treated as cannon fodder and the moral debates are just a front for actual powerful people pursuing geopolitical objectives.
as far as the morals go, the entire premise of war is that neither side believes there is good faith on the other. saying that the solution is for one side to revert to some perceived "good faith" orientation is just to ignore the discourse. both sides have real grievances on their faces and do not want to lay down before the blood spilled by their kin. the moral differences are intractable and are not the point in any case, the moral arguments are merely a rhetorical tool, into which you've been pulled.
all that really matters is that arabs want a plot of land that another population resides in, that population does not want to give it up, and another power (iran) sees the former as a good proxy to start shit with to pursue its own objectives. saying that either side should acknowledge wrongdoing is suggesting that they should break the participatory moral theater, which they won't, they'll just keep pressuring each other until the calculated risks no longer make sense.
honestly the best thing for everyone in the short term would be for trump to win and tell everyone involved to cut this shit out or else. pussy ass biden / kamala don't have that power.
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Date: October 1st, 2024 12:53 PM Author: Hairraiser Plaza
millions of americans who stand to benefit don't support it, not everyone is on team american imperialism. americans who don't support it have their team. your team might just that your family and friends are shitlibs or neocons. and i didn't say it was just about benefit, it's also who you identify with. you can peer into this through the prism of whatever your prior commitments are, find the selection of facts you want, give them whatever moral weight you want, and then ascribe agency and responsibility to whoever suits you. it's an endless slapfight of "we did this because of xyz, they need to stop first!" horseshit. that's not say you can't be against the october 7th slaughter or the bombing as isolated events, but as far as the entire moral picture goes, it's insoluble, no argumentation is going to suddenly discover and answer, and anyway none of the groups directly involved or their big brothers are genuinely interested in a resolution. discourse usually means nothing but it especially means nothing in this case.
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Date: October 1st, 2024 1:13 PM Author: Swashbuckling principal's office
the point is descriptive, not proscriptive.
and it's not that the morality "isn't quantifiable."
the point is that saying that israel should act in "good faith" is just a nonsense statement that ignores the reality of the geopolitics on the ground, and of the nature of war itself.
short of literal "rape and pillage," questions of "good faith" go out the window in war. its perceived absence on both sides is why war starts. both sides have a moral claim that is incompatible with the other's getting up in arms about them is just spectator sport.
you seem to want to claim that israel's actions have been both immoral and tactically unwise from a PR standpoint. the former argument is not going to go anywhere. the latter argument can be made but that's a tactical question not worth getting emotional over, and frankly you wouldn't be my first choice for military tactician.
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:06 PM Author: hateful soul-stirring theater
you're talking to the resident thoughtful moderate and even itt i'm making a distinction between zionists and all jews. i've got a bunch of jew friends that are pro-palestine.
but sure go ahead and double down on me criticizing you for being glib and bloodthirsty by rebutting "lol the jews are playing nice with these monkeys."
every interaction i have with people like you is like this. you just come right out to demonstrate what i'm saying. it really is almost like a psyop. maybe tbf is behind TDNW, sealclubber, etc. you're cartoonishly evil and stupid.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48147514) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 7:26 PM Author: hateful soul-stirring theater
they went pretty mask off for a minute after 10/7. just look at how they reacted to university protests.
since then they've collected themselves. they are really good at appearing thoughtful and reasonable as they advocate for brutal suppression of things against their self-interest.
i'm glad the xo jews are here because it's a nice little window into what's really going on in their minds when they say "oh i see your point but you know israel is our only ally in the region, are beset upon all sides, and have a right to defend themselves!" irl.
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Date: October 1st, 2024 11:32 AM Author: Rebellious volcanic crater jew
You’ve left out some of their (pro-Israel Zionist types’) worst arguments.
-“The Palestinians started it” as though history began on October 7, 2023 or September 25, 2000 or whatever the start point for whatever conflict your discussing is. It’s as if everything before then is completely negligible and their is no context other than “Palestinians are completely evil” or “the world hates Jews”
-“Israel wants peace and would be happy to stay within its territory”, often stated completely earnestly and unironically, even as there was ongoing uprooting of Palestinians in the West Bank. Israel has been in a constant expansionary state since its founding
-"you’re applying double standards by requiring of Israel a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation," like bro we basically had to get shot at first in Afghanistan before we could shoot back, but Israel is dropping bombs in the middle of neighborhoods and killing children en masse. Israel has killed more kids in Gaza in the last year than the US killed in 20 years of occupying Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria combined.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48149532) |
Date: October 1st, 2024 11:38 AM Author: abusive location
this can be true and it can also be true that arab failed states have nothing to do with any actions by isreal. isreal is a tiny sliver of a country and does not control the inner workings of all the arab failed states. they are failed states because their iq and culture.
history did not begin on 10/7, but i also don't know what isreal is supposed to do after that, or what you think isreal is supposed to do when Hezbollah fires thousands of rockets at it. if you are a country and you are invaded, you have to respond in kind or greater. if you are a country and have thousands of rockets fired at it, you respond.
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Date: October 1st, 2024 11:43 AM Author: abusive location
everyone in the middle east does blame them for their existence. the palestinians have a fair point, but it is limited because when hamas won in 07 and isreal pulled out hamas did nothing to improve the lives of the people there.
paralegal muhammad would agree that all of the shitty arab failed states are the result of isreal.
they have been under attack since they started their country. all of their territorial expansions occurred after they defeated invading countries.
it can be true that israelis believe they are superior to arabs (and everyone else) and also that israelis are responding to attacks as any other country would do.
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Date: October 1st, 2024 12:01 PM Author: Underhanded fighting sweet tailpipe lay
hamas did nothing to improve the lives of the people there? so the buildings that are rubble today were rubble since 2006? or did hamas and the palestinian people build them back up after israel bombed the place the last time? if you bomb a place twice in less than 20 years why do you expect the people to achieve great things? is that realistic or just more jewish circular logic?
regarding the failed arab states, find me one besides turkey that allows its people to govern the place? most are dictatorships who have been propped up at different times by the CIA in order to... oh that's right, prevent the people in those countries from running them and threatening israel's existence in the process. no shortage of once great middle eastern cities that lie in rubble today, why do you think that happened to coincide with the creation of israel in 1948?
they hate iran because they can't control it. cia backed the shah and khomeini took over.
they hate turkey because it's a democracy and the elected leadership hates israel.
they killed saddam even though he had nothing to do with 9/11 because he outspokenly hated israel.
"all of their territorial expansions occurred after they defeated invading countries"
explain the settlements then kike?
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Date: October 1st, 2024 12:20 PM Author: abusive location
see? this post is a perfect example of the arab mindset. constantly blaming isreal and the west for their shitty backwards countries.
arab countries' natural states are to revert to islamic dictators and backwards cultural practices. its true everywhere there are arabs, including in parts of the west where arabs have immigrated to.
what happens when pakistanis move in throngs to england? you get pakistani rape gangs, an explosion of birth deformities because they marry their first cousins, and enormous amounts of arabs on welfare that was meant for westerners. why? because its there for the taking.
it stems from the same deep seeded resentment at the superiority of the west as the rest of the third world. third worlders cannot accept that they bear responsibility for their own lives and countries.
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Date: October 1st, 2024 12:26 PM Author: abusive location
you haven't made any points. just arab anger and whining.
I dont know what "hasbara" means because I am a westerner who was born in the west. My ancestors were also born in the west.
what shitty country did your ancestors come from?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48149731)
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Date: October 1st, 2024 12:31 PM Author: hateful soul-stirring theater
this "west did nothing wrong!" is the same shit as "israel did nothing wrong!" or "middle east did nothing wrong!"
how can you not at least admit that our operations in the middle east has had *SOME* impact? if it didn't, what would have been the point? it's impossible to know how much of their circumstances are a result of western interference. but it's certain our bullshit there has had *SOME* impact.
how about we just, you know, leave? you complain about muslims moving to the west and shit and then want to continue to meddle in their bullshit. if they are as backwards and retarded as you claim, they why are you so invested in being all up in their shit?
paralegal mo isn't asking for reparations or anything. he's just asking us to gtfo. if you have such a low opinion of muzzies, why are you so against this?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48149748) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 12:47 PM Author: hateful soul-stirring theater
the west apologism on places like xoxo spouted by "based trumpmos" is sad and shows just how deeply entrenched gc is.
these morons really believe our presence in the middle east is anything but economic imperialism. they think it's about culture? western supremacy? lmao it's about exerting our influence onto other people to capture their resources. that's why we don't give a shit about africa even though they are even more "backwards failed states" than the middle east.
i can't believe how many people are deepthroating gc because they think this about sticking it to muzbros. we have been propping up every muzbro that will ally with us for decades. neocon gc ghouls will swear fealty to the koran of they get a good deal on oil.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48149837) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 12:55 PM Author: abusive location
Lol. You shameless arabs. No, you definitely don't help the west in any way. You are leeches with backwards cultures that you bring here as you destroy western society. Everywhere you come. Whether its cousing fucking or welfare leeching, your 90 IQs can't help it.
Also here you go. See any jewish blood? https://ibb.co/jvd1TnS
I know, shocking to learn that non-jews don't like you arabs either.
Now let's see yours, Muhammad.
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Date: October 1st, 2024 1:05 PM Author: hateful soul-stirring theater
let's say he's right about all the muzbros immigrating to the west are welfare queens and retarded mudpeople who would be retarded and poor regardless of western influence.
who does he think is responsible for these immigration policies? it's the same fucking gc ghouls adventuring in the east. this is just the next stage of gc exploitation. first they exploit these nations abroad and now they're opening up the floodgates to domesticate the gc economic slave caste at home.
somehow people get tricked into blaming the people rationally immigrating to a place that has more opportunity than the hook nosed third base coaches waving them in.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48149945) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 12:02 PM Author: hateful soul-stirring theater
these things are all inexorably intertwined. of course everything single conflict involving the west and the middle east has had ties to israel. and of course that has impacted all the arab nations.
would the middle east be a bustling utopia but for israel and the west? of course not. but you also can't pretend that our influence there has had no impact on the middle east.
also, note that i'm saying the west not not just laying it all on israel. the west created israel and supported israel. but just because we have the original sin doesn't mean we are duty bound to support and pay for every israeli atrocity forever.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4295921",#48149619) |
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