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My husband can't get a job and is learning to code, should I divorce him? (NYT)
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Date: April 5th, 2026 11:47 AM Author: Cream Blood Rage Locale https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/04/business/my-husband-cant-get-a-job-should-i-divorce-him.html
Marriage vs. Unemployment Dear Work Friend,
My husband is a very smart and capable person, but he became very sick in early 2020, and he has barely worked since then, despite tirelessly applying for positions. What can he do?
We recently moved so I could go to graduate school for music, but the stress of trying to make enough money to live on (even with help from my mom) has made it nearly impossible to focus and develop my skills. It’s literally ruining my life.
Currently he is doing an online master’s program in computer science, but I worry that this will not improve his prospects. I don’t really want to get divorced, but I think about it constantly. It’s just too hard trying to support two adults as a nonprofit administrator. I can’t live this way for the next 30-40 years.
Thanks for your help,
Anonymous
I nodded and winced with sympathy through the first two paragraphs of your letter as I thought about the pressures of chronic illness, unemployment and financial strain.
And then I got to the phrase “online master’s program in computer science.”
At this point I stopped nodding, cocked my head to the side, and squinted my eyes in an expression of polite bafflement — the “Tucker Carlson.” I think you are right to worry that this will not improve his prospects. “Learn to code” is no longer a panacea for the unemployed, if it ever was. The number of job openings for entry-level workers in the tech industry has been stagnant for a while, and a master’s alone is not going to help when every new job listing has thousands of applicants, especially given the long gaps in your husband’s résumé. A strong professional network might give him an edge, but it’s hard to form one at a grad program you attend from your living room.
But my real concern reading your letter is not simply that the online master’s program is probably a waste of time and money, but that your husband is using it to hide from responsibility for your finances and your relationship.
There are many very good and rigorous online degree programs, but there are also some whose practical function is to help students avoid the burdens of real life under the cover of productivity. I think it’s telling that you, the stably employed partner, are emailing me to solicit employment ideas, rather than your husband, who actually needs them.
So before you even get to doling out advice, you need to sit down with your husband and tell him that the stress you feel about money is making you miserable, and that you guys need to come up with a plan to mitigate your dread about the future. You will know the most diplomatic way to communicate your distress. But you need to be honest with him that the current situation is unsustainable for you, and he needs to be part of the solution.
I’m not saying your husband must quit his master’s program. But he should have a plan beyond graduating and heading to LinkedIn. At a minimum he should be seeking internships, soliciting informational interviews, attending meet-ups and other networking events, and doing whatever he can to build a portfolio, gain experience, and augment his chances at actually finding a job.
And he should probably be doing more than that, given your misery and exhaustion. Could he get a part-time job serving coffee, waiting tables, or stocking shelves to help ease the pressure you feel to provide for both of you? If he needs to stay at home, could he find remote work in fields like tutoring, editing, transcription or customer service? Or maybe something more oriented toward a future career in software, like QA testing, data entry, or freelance web design? Finally, if his illness is preventing him from finding work entirely, can he augment your income with disability payments?
The point of this conversation is not to fix your difficult problems overnight (it won’t), nor to permanently solve the eternal troubles of money, jobs and relationships (it can’t). It’s to ensure that the tasks of thinking, worrying, and doing something about these issues is shared between both of you.
To that end, if you can scrape together the resources, I would suggest that part of your plan involve couples’ counseling. If that’s out of reach, you should at the very least be setting deadlines and clarifying expectations, so that neither partner is operating under false assumptions about the other’s feelings or needs.
Unless you fix the dynamic that has you emailing advice columnists on behalf of your husband after working all day to support him, I worry that no amount of employment-seeking guidance will help. |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 10:33 PM Author: duck-like soul-stirring forum I stopped nodding, cocked my head to the side, and squinted my eyes in an expression of polite bafflement — the “Tucker Carlson.” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796648) |
Date: April 5th, 2026 11:49 AM Author: stirring tan site We recently moved so I could go to graduate school for music, We recently moved so I could go to graduate school for music, We recently moved so I could go to graduate school for music, We recently moved so I could go to graduate school for music, We recently moved so I could go to graduate school for music, |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 11:49 AM Author: Cream Blood Rage Locale It’s just too hard trying to support two adults as a nonprofit administrator.
It’s just too hard trying to support two adults as a nonprofit administrator.
It’s just too hard trying to support two adults as a nonprofit administrator.
It’s just too hard trying to support two adults as a nonprofit administrator.
It’s just too hard trying to support two adults as a nonprofit administrator. |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 11:57 AM Author: mildly autistic senate weed whacker oh, she's worried about *his* job prospects?
"Currently he is doing an online master’s program in computer science, but I worry that this will not improve his prospects." |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 11:59 AM Author: pearly bespoke home ladyboy probably wants to leave him for someone who already has a well paying job so she can maek it as a musician (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795380) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 11:59 AM Author: Cream Blood Rage Locale Tbf in today's economy a woman w a grad degree in music is prob more employable than a white man with a MS in CS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795382) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:02 PM Author: pearly bespoke home ladyboy Good point. White males are the most discriminated against group in world history at this point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795389) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 10:17 PM Author: umber abusive sanctuary being employable in the past doesn't really pay the bills today now does it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796628) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 9:01 AM Author: pearly bespoke home ladyboy Yeah I’m not talking about the past. Talking about current discrimination (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797133) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:18 PM Author: slap-happy library (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796495) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 5:42 PM Author: curious claret ratface jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796037) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:05 PM Author: sinister heaven (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796334) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 7:58 AM Author: Bipolar galvanic house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797035) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 11:50 AM Author: pearly bespoke home ladyboy Why are people still learning to code when ai can write code (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795362) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 11:53 AM Author: Cream Blood Rage Locale https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/ed3c770a0bfba2916ddf61ba963fd0ea.jpg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795367) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 10:03 AM Author: Carnelian self-centered office ChatGPT's response: Because AI writes code, but humans define the problem, architecture, and trade-offs. You still need coding knowledge to debug, verify, and avoid fragile outputs. AI amplifies good developers, it doesn't replace real understanding.
Gemini's response: AI is used to automate repetitive tasks, but humans are still needed to architect complex systems, ensure security, and solve unique business logic. Learning to code develops deep computational thinking and debugging skills required to oversee and verify the AI's often-flawed output. AI acts as a powerful "copilot," but the "pilot" must still understand the underlying mechanics to build reliable, scalable, and innovative software. |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 11:52 AM Author: Ruby low-t skinny woman Shockingly cr advice (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795365) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:10 PM Author: Cream Blood Rage Locale what are the chances the guy gets a job by following the advice listed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795409) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:32 PM Author: Ruby low-t skinny woman 0.00 but that's not the advice's fault. Author rightly tells hubby to drop out of his useless MY MASTER'S and to give up on getting a fancy tech job and go to wait tables. (He will obviously NEVER do that because it's beneath him as what I can only assume is a proud liberal artist.) But hubby is a dud. Long COVID or some other made up bullshit and six fucking years of laying around being useless while the wife (despite being a MY MASTER'S birdbrain) gets up and puts dorito on the table. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795451) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:45 PM Author: Cream Blood Rage Locale so what should hubby do? what will he do?
if she divorces him, what do these 'proud liberal artists' end up typically doing? EBT? |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:56 PM Author: Ruby low-t skinny woman SHOULD: go get a fucking job or kill self WILL: keep making everyone around him miserable and guilt tripping wife for years Note that the author asks about disability which undoubtedly his bullshit fake chronic illness doesn't qualify for. Unfortunately there's no great answer for how to get by as an unproductive adult male. There never has been. |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:58 PM Author: Self-absorbed Old Irish Cottage Lmao at this boomer tripe.
This bro is a hero and younger generations should be taking notes. Until girlbossing is fully dead as a concept in our culture, career shrews should be exploited mercilessly for resources. |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:16 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life lol pathetic.
this guy should be a man do whatever it takes to support himself. taking perpetual handouts from your wifes family while you do online only classes because of your bs long covid would be so shameful for a real man that he'd rather doordash every waking hour of the day over accepting another cent.
ime people like you are universally excuse making losers who would rather seethe at everyone else than take responsibility for themselves. waaah waah waah my wife is neing so mean just because ive been unemployed for six years. lmao. both these people suck, but the dude massively sucks too and everyone woman in her right mind would not tolerate a pathetic leach. |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:18 PM Author: Self-absorbed Old Irish Cottage Grrr! If you don’t Provide for Women you’re not a REAL MAN!! GRRRR!!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795563) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:23 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life this loser isn't providing for HIMSELF, he's perpetually unemployed and living off his wife's family's charity.
if this guy just lost his job and his wife got the ick everyone would be on his side. if you have anything but disgust for a man that wallows in self-pity while demanding others provide for him i expect you are one yourself and lashing out because you know what everyone is saying itt is what people think about you. |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:29 PM Author: Self-absorbed Old Irish Cottage He is doing 2026 life correctly. Sorry that makes your manussy sour. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795609) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:32 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life he's such a loser that it's too pathetic for an obese mymasters shrew to tolerate, and you call this "doing 2026 life correctly?"
if you believed that you wouldn't be seething. odd case how mgtow incels never stop whining but still say they're living their best life. |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:39 PM Author: Self-absorbed Old Irish Cottage Ah yes because the opinion of an obese mymasters shrew is, as ever, the true and accurate measure of a contemporary man’s worth!
It is because you think this way that you will still be bragging about your “dating app” exploits to internet strangers who don’t like you in ten years. Hope that helps!
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:42 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life no dummy it's not that her commitment is the measure of a contemporary man's worth, it's that he's so fucking worthless that even someone as shitty as her is right to leave him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795644) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:45 PM Author: Self-absorbed Old Irish Cottage You’re the only one using faggy simp framings like “her commitment” to describe her retarded worthless opinions. Kinda discredits anything else you have to say about this.
Well, that and you’re a “bachelor” in your 40s 🤣 |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:53 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life my lovely gf gave me a blow job to completion this morning, cleaned my house, and pressed my clothes for the week. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795666) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:54 PM Author: Self-absorbed Old Irish Cottage Damn, 180! What were your kids doing while this was going on? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795670) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:57 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life being swallowed by my lovely gf.
what did you and your wife and kids do today? |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 2:09 PM Author: Self-absorbed Old Irish Cottage Told our kids a bunch of lies about the Easter bunny, thanks for asking!
Date: April 5th, 2026 1:57 PM Author: the word envy ceasing to exist (gunneratttt)
being swallowed by my lovely gf. what did you and your wife and kids do today?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2#49795678 |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 2:16 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life if youre a married man with kids you'll be the first one ive ever met that poasts like boner police. ime 100% of the time when someone like you is doxxed they a boner police type. i think you're lying, which reinforces my suspicion that you're emotional about this because of your own insecurities. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795709) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 7:31 AM Author: Anal community account shitlib great subthread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797016) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:35 PM Author: Cracking chestnut plaza if he moved to kirksville missouri and started bagging groceries while selling drugs on the side he'd be in the top 10% of males (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797896) |
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Date: April 9th, 2026 1:07 AM Author: lavender cerebral corner bbw ti, oc, tcr
my wife's sister's husband is a lot like this; allegedly long covid, maybe lyme, whatever invisible disability you can imagine (btw I've actually had lyme, confirmed by western blot, it fucking sucks and I was fucked for six months)
he was an elementary school teacher (red flag 1) then was gently re-guided to be the school's JANITOR because he could no longer be trusted in the classroom.
he has some unconfirmed substance abuse issue. alcohol, opioids, something. he vapes all the time.
has two kids under 8 and can't get his shit together. comes home friday and stays in bed until monday morning. my in-laws are basically going to an early grave taking care of his kids for him. i would kill him if I could |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:33 PM Author: Cracking chestnut plaza 20 years ago I'd tell him to join the army but he's probably too obese even for the army now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797887) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:02 PM Author: gold location amazon delivery, doordash, etc + bitch about rich people on reddit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795510) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:32 PM Author: Cracking chestnut plaza he should hire his ass for gay sex at the Fairy Tail, or wait tables or both (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797885) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 11:53 AM Author: Lascivious Liquid Oxygen Kitchen obviously no you wont get any alimony if he doesnt make money lmao jokes on you you dumb cunt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795368) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 7:51 AM Author: curious claret ratface jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797027) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 11:56 AM Author: mildly autistic senate weed whacker Dear Work Friend tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795373) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 11:57 AM Author: mildly autistic senate weed whacker We recently moved so I could go to graduate school for music, but the stress of trying to make enough money to live on
We recently moved so I could go to graduate school for music, but the stress of trying to make enough money to live on
We recently moved so I could go to graduate school for music, but the stress of trying to make enough money to live on
We recently moved so I could go to graduate school for music, but the stress of trying to make enough money to live on
We recently moved so I could go to graduate school for music, but the stress of trying to make enough money to live on |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 11:59 AM Author: Cream Blood Rage Locale I don’t really want to get divorced, but I think about it constantly.
I don’t really want to get divorced, but I think about it constantly.
I don’t really want to get divorced, but I think about it constantly. |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:00 PM Author: pearly bespoke home ladyboy How Tall do you think he is and how much pipe do you think he's rockin? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795384) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:02 PM Author: Cream Blood Rage Locale he's getting shorter and more flaccid by the day (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795387) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:21 PM Author: mildly autistic senate weed whacker i doubt they have sex anymore. she may even have a secret tinder profile. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795429) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 11:57 AM Author: bonkers mood cruise ship (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795376) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:02 PM Author: mildly autistic senate weed whacker i know someone in this exact situation. she's 23, met hubby online. he's a brown foreigner who was educated overseas with a CS degree and just got his green card. neither works and they live with her parents in a tiny brooklyn apartment. she's trying to become a social media "influencer" and wants to get a master's in journalism at columbia, which costs $100K. i wonder how long that can last. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795388) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:09 PM Author: Cream Blood Rage Locale is she hot? why is she meeting brown foreigners online and whats the app for that, asking for a friend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795407) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:18 PM Author: mildly autistic senate weed whacker she's a mystery meat too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795424) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:21 PM Author: Cream Blood Rage Locale well who cares about her then. tell her to go back to Guatamala (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795430) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 4:02 PM Author: motley school cafeteria giraffe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795893) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 7:51 AM Author: curious claret ratface jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797030) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 4:02 PM Author: motley school cafeteria giraffe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795894) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:38 PM Author: Cracking chestnut plaza I knew someone like that but she was in medical school and he fucked strange on the side and never lived with her but she still kept sending him money (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797901) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:00 PM Author: harsh mad cow disease Is there a nonprofit administrator on this flight? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795383) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 4:24 PM Author: pearl federal coldplay fan pistol LOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795938) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:01 PM Author: Cream Blood Rage Locale https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8d4ji_Xs6w
Watch Nas Learn to Code
Code.org |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:03 PM Author: up-to-no-good titillating people who are hurt If she divorces him he gets alimony right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795390) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:04 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life haha yeah haha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795393) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 4:26 PM Author: Bearded black parlour karate If it’s a state with alimony, probably (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795939) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:03 PM Author: Comical Volcanic Crater Imagine the response if the genders were reversed and it was a man asking if he should leave his lazy unemployed wife. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795391) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:08 PM Author: frisky brethren stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795404) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:19 PM Author: Balding talking brunch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795425) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:39 PM Author: Ruby low-t skinny woman Wow thanks for pointing out that different standards exist for men and women. It's retarded for either sex to think the other will want to suck and fuck them long-term if they are unattractive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795465) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:22 PM Author: Beta flirting public bath sandwich (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795571) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:24 PM Author: stirring tan site (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795584) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 4:56 PM Author: Violent Honey-headed Reading Party Theater one who had an illness to boot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795976) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 6:25 PM Author: Poppy 180 tanning salon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796116) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 10:25 PM Author: slap-happy library Grr I compare myself to useless women (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796638) |
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Date: April 9th, 2026 12:58 AM Author: underhanded national (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49805817) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:04 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life there should be some sort of underwriting process before a marriage license is issued. unless a man can provide for himself and his wife the relationship is doomed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795392) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:07 PM Author: up-to-no-good titillating people who are hurt This is why you’re the POTUS of the simp crew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795400) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:24 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life my take is pretty misogynistic. it's not about how a man should pay for his wife. it's about how if a man cannot pay for his wife she will think he's a loser and might stray. having a dual income household is fine, but if your wife's income is necessary for your lifestyle instead of just icing on the cake, she's gonna be eyeing better providers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795435) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:43 PM Author: Glassy hospital fat ankles Similarly if a man has enough income to provide for himself and multiple females, he can have a harem. Law of the jungle. To the victor go the spoils. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795469) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 10:08 AM Author: Henna gas station CR aside from providing children women are zero value add. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797333) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 10:38 AM Author: Glassy hospital fat ankles Eh, that's not necessarily true. It may be rare but some women can actually make your life better. Some women are actually Good At Things. This is a rather cynical view. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797372) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 11:29 AM Author: Henna gas station Please elaborate as to these things women are good at (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797462) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 11:30 AM Author: Glassy hospital fat ankles Well some of them, this may surprise you, are legitimately good at jobs. There are loads of very successful women in all kinds of fields. Many of them earn more than their male partners. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797469) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 11:34 AM Author: Henna gas station Having a job having wife wouldn’t really suit my life. Also LOL at women not making the workplace materially worse for everyone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797474) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 11:36 AM Author: Glassy hospital fat ankles You don't work in a workplace so how would you know if they make it better or worse? Also maybe you should look into women who have a job and don't want to be layabouts and go on vacation every day. You might find a lot more quality women that way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797478) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 11:41 AM Author: Henna gas station I have worked in many offices and know that having women there makes it worse. I’ve dated many women w careers, whole different set of headaches. Lol at pretending some mannish careershrew is “quality.” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797497) |
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Date: April 8th, 2026 7:48 AM Author: Metal seedy doctorate alpha I have worked in many offices tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49803095) |
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Date: April 9th, 2026 1:02 AM Author: Glassy hospital fat ankles (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49805818) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:06 PM Author: Electric university every marriage contract comes with a termination clause based on terminal unemployment of the husband in particular-- it's in the fine print-- she should exercise her right as the wife to bail out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795398) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:26 PM Author: Carnelian self-centered office Or on the wife becoming morbidly obese. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795438) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:57 PM Author: Overrated burgundy cuckoldry stead lol yet another faggy fem-kike take (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795497) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:06 PM Author: mustard buck-toothed death wish This is the thing that I always talk about. Libs “like” when certain things fail.
You would never hear libs call any degree a waste of time in 2000. PERIOD. But in 2026 a Nerd picking himself up by his bootstraps is a “waste of time” 😏 OYT is the biggest hypocrite in the world imo |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:12 PM Author: Cream Blood Rage Locale its interesting that once the NYT columnist got to the "Online MS in CS" part, he was like "fuck this guy"
I nodded and winced with sympathy through the first two paragraphs of your letter as I thought about the pressures of chronic illness, unemployment and financial strain.
And then I got to the phrase “online master’s program in computer science.”
At this point I stopped nodding, cocked my head to the side, and squinted my eyes in an expression of polite bafflement |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:13 PM Author: mustard buck-toothed death wish I mean the same motherfucker wouldn’t say shit if it was a mymasters in Fake Studies.
Also programming weirdly comes in handy no matter what you’re doing. Especially with AI. Im Engineering games now. It’s nbd. But Engineering shit and not getting a job or acing OCI means you end up like John Carmack or Bob Lazar or OYT which gives Women and gay columnists the ick |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:15 PM Author: pearly bespoke home ladyboy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795417) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:15 PM Author: Cream Blood Rage Locale whats the cultural rationale behind this? all Nerds must perform or die? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795418) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:20 PM Author: mustard buck-toothed death wish I covered this with OYT. He “likes” when the Mexicans get the construction jobs (in CT not TX or CA or whatever where it’s a foregone conclusion). Liberal columnists hate bootstrapping Nerds in principle bc they have agency and control their destiny. They Accept the Betterness of the successful ones but if they see a marginal one they’re like “Guy is a Joke.” This tips their hand. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795427) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:26 PM Author: Adventurous cheese-eating double fault Wtf do i have to do with any of this you Gaslighting Sephardic son of a bitch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795439) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:26 PM Author: Cream Blood Rage Locale why do they hate bootstrapping Nerds who have agency andcontrol their destiny
is it because they're Losers and dont have that. its just Envy? |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:32 PM Author: Adventurous cheese-eating double fault I am literally one of those bootstrapping Losers who “took control” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795452) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:59 PM Author: mustard buck-toothed death wish They don’t hate you openly atm but wait until you get Laid Off. you’d better keep fuckin voting democrat, champ. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795501) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:09 PM Author: Adventurous cheese-eating double fault You seem to think I’m some kind of elitist who looks down on working class people. But I literally am a Lowborn working class LoserBag who had the “agency” (lol) to teach myself skills that made me employable.
I don’t even blame anyone who doesn’t want to do this tbh. It sucks and is ultimately useless just like anything else. But don’t blame me when Dollar General is the only grocery store in town and Mexicans will mow your lawn for a dollar. I didn’t build that. I just don’t want to be around it. |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 4:01 PM Author: mustard buck-toothed death wish The point, champ, is that you "like" when Scumbags are Ruined, and you "passively don't care" whether 2m or 20m or 40m spics pour into the country.
you call yourself a nihilist pessimist or whatever the fuck but your Emotional Reactions are palpable. It's not an opinion. It's a fact. And I'll state it as one. |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 5:16 PM Author: Adventurous cheese-eating double fault Wow. I didn’t think I would have to dust off the ol’ Ignore List but here we are. SMH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795992) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 6:00 PM Author: mustard buck-toothed death wish If only you knew how much you suck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796067) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:17 PM Author: frisky brethren stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795422) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:20 PM Author: mildly autistic senate weed whacker CR. if it was a husband who was concerned about taking on $100k in loans for his wife's mymasters in gender studies, the tone, blame and conclusion would be very different. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795426) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:24 PM Author: stirring tan site (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795583) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:27 PM Author: Beta flirting public bath sandwich (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795602) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:26 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life it's a reddit post published in the nyt. both of these people are obese with made up chronic diseases. imagine the smell. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795437) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:29 PM Author: Cream Blood Rage Locale the fact that the NYT decides to publish this says something about the Ruinous state of coding and the average man in todays society tho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795448) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:35 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life OFS. the nyt especially since this is something they'd downplay until it becomes undeniable and, apparently, it now is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795459) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:46 PM Author: Cream Blood Rage Locale it makes me wonder how many 'very smart and capable' guys are like this and are living off family or spouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795479) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:53 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life a lot and it's gonna get worse. and historically the consequences of large swaths of young, capable, able-bodied men not being able provide for a family or even themselves id disastrous for society.
how many zoomer dudes idolize luigi but don't follow suit because their meager life is still worth enough not to throw it away lashing out? how many will go that route if their life outlook continues to decline? |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 4:31 PM Author: pearl federal coldplay fan pistol Why do you think we're starting WWIII? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795947) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 5:40 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life jews. i fail to see the relevance here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796032) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:43 PM Author: Ruby low-t skinny woman cowgod why is ur clique analysis suddenly silent wrt this unemployed sickly loser? Perhaps if it didn't hit so close to home you'd rightly point out that such a man as described has no right to and should not expect female love, devotion, or companionship. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795471) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:01 PM Author: mustard buck-toothed death wish We don’t know enough about him. We don’t even know what Disease he has. He has a bachelors in EE and is modding Doom atm for all we know. We can assume he sucks but we never know. Also most of these articles are fake anyway. As in no one wrote this “letter” to the advice column. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795508) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:23 PM Author: Lime odious native (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795575) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:27 PM Author: Beta flirting public bath sandwich (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795606) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:29 PM Author: Adventurous cheese-eating double fault Xo is no better than Raymond taking the bait on this “letter” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795608) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 12:59 PM Author: Overrated burgundy cuckoldry stead i dont get why you ppl have wives except for children. the subtexts of all u fags upthread is you have to pay for the privilege of being nagged by a median 170.8-171.8 pound woman who will drop u the second u stop making it rain
the fuck are u doing |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:01 PM Author: Self-absorbed Old Irish Cottage It’s a lot of brainraped millennials who will never break out of their feminist indoctrination fully. Sad! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795506) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:09 PM Author: bonkers mood cruise ship (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795522) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:02 PM Author: Nubile jet base women are 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795509) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:03 PM Author: disturbing tripping gaping lettuce The level of pathetic faggotry in this thread is off the fucking charts
You people are all literally "Redpill Comics" cartoon caricature beta losers, siding with the "wife" and "columnist" who both need to be repeatedly raped until they instinctively do not speak unless spoken to by a male. This is like some kind of pseudo support group for beta dweebs whose only remaining measure of surrogate self worth is their ability to be beta provider slaves to some worthless female who despises them
One of the most pathetic threads on this board in a while |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:06 PM Author: Self-absorbed Old Irish Cottage Cr it’s pretty disgusting. This board is totally fagged out now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795516) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:07 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life no one itt thread is "supporting" the wife. you both are just retards that cannot understand the difference between understanding the nature of Women and asserting that it is unironically 180. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795521) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:13 PM Author: Self-absorbed Old Irish Cottage You’re just digging your hole deeper you brownoid simp. GTFO my country (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795534) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:19 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life oh no a middle adged incel seething about grrr women grrr on a web1.0 chatblog thinks im embarrassing myself (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795565) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 10:10 AM Author: Henna gas station Calling everyone an incel who points out that women by and large are trash is just dumb. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797335) |
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Date: April 8th, 2026 8:15 AM Author: ocher boyish feces church building has been since the simp crew took over (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49803118) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:14 PM Author: Nubile jet base you seem to have poor reading comprehension if you think xoers are supporting the wife (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795543) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:16 PM Author: Self-absorbed Old Irish Cottage Love all these nuanced thoughtful takes ITT from single lawyers in their 40s (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795554) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:18 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life if this person isn't boner police it's someone with equivalent life circumstances. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795562) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:23 PM Author: Beta flirting public bath sandwich (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795576) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:24 PM Author: disturbing tripping gaping lettuce We're all reading the same thread bro we can clearly read all of the above comments supporting the wife's pov
I recognize that you're not one of them fwiw |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:31 PM Author: Cream Blood Rage Locale whats your take on it then? not being hostile, genuinely curious (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795612) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:37 PM Author: disturbing tripping gaping lettuce "...from this day forward, for better or for worse, for richer or for poorer, in sickness and in health..."
/thread
Marriage is either real or it isn't. It's a lifelong monogamous commitment to an individual, through thick and thin. The proper response to this woman bitching about her husband's temporary setback (while she uprooted the family to waste money on a fucking meme "degree" to satisfy her own selfish ego) and preparing to divorce him is telling her to shut the fuck up and follow her marriage vows and support her lifelong partner
It doesn't matter that it's "female nature" to ditch men once they are no longer instrumentally useful to her. My above comment about beating and raping her is only half kidding. Women never dared to think and act like this before the modern era where they were given artificial power over men to indulge their worst instincts. They never dared to because there were severe consequences for them if they did |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:40 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life not working for six years = abandoning the marriage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795640) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:43 PM Author: Self-absorbed Old Irish Cottage He’s been trying to get a job. What the fuck is your problem, man? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795646) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:51 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life for six years?
obese illegal 80iq spics manage to scrape by enough to provide for themselves.
if this guy was legitimately too sick to work he'd be on ssdi, and he wouldn't be training for future employment.
there's a CS bootcamp near me that takes retard dindus and gets them employed coding in six months. if this guy can't hack it in six years he should be digging ditches or working retail. he should be doing whatever he can to earn whatever he can. not farting around taking his wife's parent's money playing WoW between university of phoenix classes. |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:56 PM Author: Self-absorbed Old Irish Cottage You keep blubbering it like a mantra - “provide!” “provide!” “PROVIDE GODDAMMIT!!!”
Go fuck yourself. The system can provide for us now. |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 2:00 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life but it doesn't which is why this fag accepted charity for over half a decade. you're angry at how the world is, how women are, etc. that's female emotional thinking. a man does what he can despite how unfair life can be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795684) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:57 PM Author: Cream Blood Rage Locale doesthe CS bootcamp take white men and give them gainful employment?
ive legit seen guys trying their best to get jobs and failing. they're often doordashing, its bad out there |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 2:10 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life yes.
btw as per our subthread i am very sympathetic regarding systematic problems and how many men struggle to provide a decent life for themselves. my issue with this guy is there's no indication he struggled. and i don't buy that he was too sick to work considering he's ostensibly going to school to work.
if this guy was legitimately trying his best and failing id have nothing but sympathy for him, and condemn his wife for her selfishness. but my read on this is that he's slacking and his wife is at her wits end.
of course this is from the wifes POV and ime there's always more to a story. good chance im being too harsh on this guy because im making judgments with limited info. but my take is based on what info is available. |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 5:36 PM Author: Razzle mediation piazza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796019) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 3:59 PM Author: Copper Wild Corn Cake “there's a CS bootcamp near me that takes retard dindus and gets them employed coding in six months.”
Brother I am loling that you thought you had a point here |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 4:18 PM Author: disturbing tripping gaping lettuce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795922) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 4:21 PM Author: Bearded black parlour karate The really funny thing is you know he made it up, but in his mind that WOULD be a really strong argument for why Chudson McWhiteypants needs to stop “playing the victim” and PROVIDE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795928) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 4:27 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life these things exist across the country.
also my point wasnt that there's endless opportunity for people to bootstrap into CS. it's that working on an online CS degree for six years is unreasonable and an indication he's slacking. |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 4:31 PM Author: Bearded black parlour karate Tell us specifically about the amazing jobs you verifiably know graduates (broken down by race) of your local coding university down the street have gotten recently, ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795946) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 4:36 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life nigger ive just been to events involving the org where they parade success stories on stage. i know that that theyre real because ive talked to the dindus.
sure, maybe it's like making it as a tttt grad and their success stories are outliers. that doesnt change the fact people do finish in six months and get jobs. if someone was in their 10th year of law school id say they were slacking and that has nothing to do with the job market.
do you think being unemployed for six years and attending online college is a evidence someone is legitimately trying their best? |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 4:40 PM Author: Bearded black parlour karate Tell us about a success story involving a white guy who was out of work for a year or more (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795957) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 4:42 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life answer my question first.
this guy is a NEET bum and the reason you're MAF people itt recognized that is because you're a NEET bum too. |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 4:43 PM Author: Bearded black parlour karate The answer is I don’t know and neither do you. If I had to guess, yes.
Now u |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 4:50 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life there were white success stories.
do you agree that whites who make it in CS don't do it after six years of full time online education, and that someone that purports to be in online education full time for six years is just a bum pretending they are trying to better themselves? |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 4:52 PM Author: Bearded black parlour karate Definitely not. That’s completely nonsensical. What’s your IQ my man? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795973) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 4:56 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life pretty high.
if you agree and i already clarified that i used these bootcamps as an example of why i think 6 years of online school = the guy is just a bum, what are you arguing with me about? |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 4:59 PM Author: Bearded black parlour karate You: “do you agree?”
Me: “definitely not.”
You “well since we agree, blahblahblahblah, I’m very high IQ btw!”
Done w this subthread. Bye.
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Date: April 5th, 2026 4:56 PM Author: the word envy ceasing to exist (gunneratttt)
pretty high. if you agree and i already clarified that i used these bootcamps as an example of why i think 6 years of online school = the guy is just a bum, what are you arguing with me about?
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Date: April 5th, 2026 5:10 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life misread it as just definitely. if you dont agree that six years of university of phoenix = a person is a NEET bum then either you're retarded or a NEET bum MAF about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795989) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 5:19 PM Author: Razzle mediation piazza Where are you getting “six years of full time online education?”
It says he’s been out of work for six years. It says nothing of how long he’s been doing this learn to code thing. He might have started that three months ago. |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 5:34 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life that would be an even worse situation because he'd be trying to pivot into something completely different after being a NEET for five years. im giving him the benefit of the doubt. if he's been a NEET since 2020 and just started online school thats far worse. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796015) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 5:41 PM Author: Razzle mediation piazza Your position here is shaky at best. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796036) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 5:52 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life i think 6 years of NEET + online college = bum is a very defensible POV. in fact i dont think a reasonable person can disagree unless it turns out he was actually so sick he couldn't function. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796055) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 5:55 PM Author: Razzle mediation piazza That’s because you’re a pajeet. You sound like Vivek Ramaswamy rn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796063) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 6:05 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life this used to be a prestigious law school bort. can't believe im getting pushback that a super senior at university of phoenix is a bum.
this isn't vivek ultrastriver shit. this is calling a spade a spade. if you are unemployed for six years and just taking online classes, you are a bum. this person isn't a man and should be embarassed. and you should be embarassed defending him.
at best it's false compassion. if you want outperform jeets you should be disgusted by this guy, not making excuses for him. the best thing that could happen to him is being forced to provide for himself. i swear, you guys sound like niggers demanding gibes. |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:42 PM Author: Nubile jet base co-sign the first paragraph (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795643) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:54 PM Author: Cream Blood Rage Locale "...from this day forward, for better or for worse, for richer or for poorer, in sickness and in health..." /thread
like so many ideals how realistic is this? would you similarly condemn a guy who cheats on his wife or divorces her for becoming a fat nagging cow? |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 4:23 PM Author: disturbing tripping gaping lettuce Males "providing for" women is not a thing anymore in the current year. It's not the man's role in a monogamous relationship anymore. Women command artificially higher status and earning potential in our current society
Ending a lifelong monogamous commitment because your husband "doesn't have a job" or "isn't earning enough" in 2026 is laughable, especially because she is wasting their savings on a fake larp "degree" (she's literally a net negative earner, so he's actually doing economically better than her in the relationship) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 1:24 PM Author: Beta flirting public bath sandwich I would be more sympathetic if she was pragmatic and successful but she isn't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795581) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 3:57 PM Author: Copper Wild Corn Cake Wow, lots of simps and homos ITT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795881) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 4:57 PM Author: mind-boggling slate shrine son of senegal 2020 is the real signal. He wears a mask for interviews and most or all of his applications are for WFH jobs.
On her side of the ledger, she is fat and unattractive and demotivating, which is why this letter is not about her dilemma over whether or not to run off with her boyfriend Tyrone.
These people should _not_ have white-collar jobs or be attending higher education. They are downwardly mobile ex-Middle Class proles. They have got a tough life ahead of them adjusting to poverty and diversity and lowered expectations. At least we can be sure that they voted for it.
But really, all they have got is each other and they need to stick together over everything else and figure out that money and status are not everything. |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 5:21 PM Author: violent khaki garrison Why are you a pumo? This was the best poast itt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49795999) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 5:35 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796017) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 7:54 AM Author: curious claret ratface jew extremely cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797031) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 5:50 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy aphrodisiac address depressive Lmao fuck women and gunner here.
"It’s just too hard trying to support two adults as a nonprofit administrator. I can’t live this way for the next 30-40 years."
As if hasn't been the struggle of every man for thousands of years now. Either accept equality of reject it. Making your husband move for your mymasters and then divorcing him because of your decision |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 5:53 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life six years a NEET. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796060) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 7:40 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy aphrodisiac address depressive 46 years a simp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796260) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 7:45 PM Author: Cream Blood Rage Locale (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796278) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:00 PM Author: disturbing tripping gaping lettuce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796318) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:06 PM Author: Onyx histrionic dilemma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796335) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:28 PM Author: Overrated burgundy cuckoldry stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796379) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:46 PM Author: Big Messiness Stage Fulano’s still got it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796420) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:48 PM Author: Nubile jet base (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796423) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 10:21 PM Author: Beta flirting public bath sandwich (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796633) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 7:55 AM Author: curious claret ratface jew devastating (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797033) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 8:42 AM Author: up-to-no-good titillating people who are hurt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797081) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 11:11 AM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life im done here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797431) |
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Date: April 8th, 2026 7:23 AM Author: Indecent turquoise milk quadroon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49803088) |
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Date: April 8th, 2026 8:20 AM Author: ocher boyish feces church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49803121) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 7:55 AM Author: curious claret ratface jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797032) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 6:10 PM Author: Citrine field jewess a lot of debate itt about who is more worth apologizing for. they are both human slime and neither is worth real sympathy.
you could blame the dude for not being sufficiently serious and decisive about supporting his family, you could blame the chick for being fickle and vain and disloyal for letting her self-indulgent pursuits take precedence over marriage, you could blame the dude for not being enough of a “man” such that she is so smitten with him she couldn’t imagine leaving, you could blame third wave feminism for neutralizing his ability to be such a dominant man of the household, you could blame second wave feminism for telling her that she has the ability and right to a life of financial independence, you could blame secularism in general for destroying the inviolability of christian marriage, you could blame christianity and the institution of marriage itself for encouraging a legal bond between people with whom it was destined to fail. there is truth to all of it.
the reality is that they are both pathetic modern peasants and if they were any better as people neither would find themselves in this shitty situation. you are just looking at the tragedy of human existence unfold before you, like crying about a fruit fly that stupidly flew too close to a spider web, or a field mouse that took off from the bushes with a hawk circling above. society will always have its dregs and the dregs of society cannot help but do stupid shit that make them its dregs. if he were more capable and determined, if she were more loyal and less vain, if either of them were more beautiful as human beings, neither of them would be stuck in such a shitty situation or stuck with each other to begin with. but they are both human detritus so here they are, doing the pathetic shit they only know to do, because they are pathetic to their bones, it is their nature and they cannot do otherwise. welcome ta earf. |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 6:13 PM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life my first take itt was this. it only spun out into gender wars shit when people started saying this guy did nothing wrong and anyone not bashing the woman exclusively is a simp. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796090) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 6:17 PM Author: Onyx histrionic dilemma How many kids do you have and what race is your wife? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796093) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:13 AM Author: Beta flirting public bath sandwich (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796880) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 7:36 PM Author: Cream Blood Rage Locale implication: "I'm so much better than this human trash"
i dont think you address the fact that these two people in the NYT bit represent deeper issues going on in society now. these are not just two homeless people that are typical when you think of the term 'human trash'. more guys are like this than you think and maybe, just maybe, there might be elements of even your super high functioning life that might also reflect this dynamic.
once you drop the holier than thou attitude, you realize a couple of things. one is that this story is told from her perspective. she's not steel maning his position at all, which suggests that she's partially looking to just crucify his position.
in addition, the white knighting and attacks on the guy itt are a sign of the times as well. he's studying CS, not liberal arts. he was sick before. yet everyone jumps to the conclusion that he's a garbage human being and a worthless excuse for a man. even just based on the facts it shows that he's trying. how could you blame him esp with the learn to code nonsense sold so heavily. maybe he's naive and kind of incapable but there's nothing there that jumps out as conclusive proof he ought to killself. all this says something. |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 7:39 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy aphrodisiac address depressive Something else unnoticed was that the columnist is such a gunnerat that he doesn't even mention what a worthless cunt this woman is and how responsible for the situation she is. Deplorable that our society is so grrpower that people can't even acknowledge this |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 7:52 PM Author: Nubile jet base (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796299) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:00 PM Author: disturbing tripping gaping lettuce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796317) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 10:22 PM Author: Beta flirting public bath sandwich (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796634) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:12 PM Author: Big Messiness Stage Somehow, remarkably, you’re the biggest faggot ITT and that includes the people in the article (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796348) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 7:55 PM Author: Vibrant aggressive step-uncle's house persian She sucks imho but he sucks a lot more. Online masters shouldn’t take more than 20 dedicated hours a week, this guy should have a full time job even if it’s waiting tables or retail. There is no good excuse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796307) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:06 PM Author: Onyx histrionic dilemma You need to take a break from XO buddy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796336) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 7:26 AM Author: mustard buck-toothed death wish Engineering is Hard, champ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797013) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 10:41 AM Author: Cream Blood Rage Locale (guy who has never done CS)
online masters in CS can be just as challenging, if not more, because in-person programs have people to help you out IRL. that makes it easier. |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:29 PM Author: Vibrant aggressive step-uncle's house persian AI is better than in-person help especially in this line of work
not sure why this moron is getting an online masters when there are few good entry level cs jobs available, looks like he's addicted to making bad decisions and having something to blame |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 11:12 AM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797432) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:28 PM Author: Vibrant aggressive step-uncle's house persian poasters keep going on about equality but then they get upset that a consequence of equality is birdshit women have 37 partners before marriage on average
a man should provide, a man is expected to provide and women should not be expected to work
she shouldn't affirmatively make bad decisions, like loans for a graduate degree in music for instance, but the facts do not support that she took loans. as a unit they probably shouldn't uproot for such a degree and if he allowed that to happen he is at least half at fault for that
american men are just lol awful |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:01 PM Author: disturbing tripping gaping lettuce Unreal thread btw gunnerattt needs a "time out" from simping for real not flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796320) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:35 PM Author: sinister heaven Why exactly does she deserve a non-layabout husband when she pursued a bullshit degree? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796391) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 10:21 PM Author: Beta flirting public bath sandwich This is exactly it. Sounds like she is offended that her husband isn't giving her a life of luxury while she adds nothing and does total bs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796632) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 7:10 AM Author: mustard buck-toothed death wish You haven’t even seen the phenotypes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797000) |
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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:46 PM Author: pearl federal coldplay fan pistol Stopped reading at “very sick in early 2000” lmao this guy is one of the original long COVID fraudsters (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49796560) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 10:37 AM Author: Diverse theatre legal warrant She married a lazy, low or no income guy and is shocked that he hasn't transformed into a highly motivated and competent person after years of marriage? Maybe these are both low value people who somehow ended up together after no one else would have them, but a decent looking woman could always find some high earning sucker to take care of her and fund her worthless music degrees. Her fault for being ugly or dumb enough to marry a useless guy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797371) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 11:15 AM Author: Cream Blood Rage Locale another "low value people" sneer. i'm guessing youre a super high value alpha male?
these 'worthless music degrees' encompass the majority of higher ed. nowadays. the guy was shilled heavily by society that CS would be a practical, yet not fulfilling option. now you're castigating him as low value for doing exactly what society told him to? if he was waiting tables he'd be of more value despite prob having a higher IQ than you? |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 4:15 PM Author: Adventurous cheese-eating double fault why do you think doing "what society tells you to" is some kind of excuse though. if anything it just signals you are retarded.
same energy as "I went to college because I was told to by my very retarded Boomer parents". |
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Date: April 8th, 2026 7:30 AM Author: mustard buck-toothed death wish Losers just pile on when they see other Losers Losing. It’s not human nature to go “let’s shrewdly solve this problem that it’s probably way too late to solve.” Much easier to be like “guy is a joke.”
Paralegal Muhammad itt telling the guy to work at McDonald’s to build character. The guy doesn’t even exist irl. But he imagines him as birdshit and is like “wait my tables 😡 “
Also for all this lady knows, the guy is the next Carmack. She just sees an Idle Man |
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Date: April 8th, 2026 8:20 AM Author: trip dun parlor personal credit line Most people are Oversocialized such that they are literally not CAPABLE of of asking if they should do anything other than society says. the neural pathways dont exist.
two fish are swimming along. one fish says to the other, "the water is nice today." the other fish responds, "what the fuck is water?" |
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Date: April 8th, 2026 8:25 AM Author: mustard buck-toothed death wish You “oversocialized” people are fags. I don’t think you can claim to understand them if you are t one. How was being Oversocialized, champ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49803136) |
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Date: April 8th, 2026 8:26 AM Author: trip dun parlor personal credit line If I was Oversocialized i wouldnt be poasting here, champ. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49803139) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:18 PM Author: effete brass whorehouse We should unironically create "commune" zones out in the middle of nowhere across the country and just dump these types of people in them. Air drop basic food supplies from time to time, but otherwise have them cordoned off. Considering they're both spending too much time pursuing bullshit degrees, they may as well just accept that they don't want to work or do anything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797854) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:30 PM Author: Cracking chestnut plaza she should hire a trained chimp and do busker during the day with the chimp collecting change, and fuck the chimp on pay per view at night. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797879) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:35 PM Author: confused business firm boiling water This bitch is getting a music degree and has the gall to complain about anyone’s educational pursuits and NYT doesn’t spend a word on it? This is pure rage bait. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797893) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 2:38 PM Author: Diverse theatre legal warrant They can't BOTH be lazy losers. She wants to be the lazy loser in the relationship but he beat her to it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49798014) |
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Date: April 8th, 2026 8:21 AM Author: trip dun parlor personal credit line 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49803124) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 2:13 PM Author: umber abusive sanctuary divorcing one's husband is pretty much always the right move for a woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797985) |
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Date: April 6th, 2026 2:17 PM Author: confused business firm boiling water (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49797991) |
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Date: April 8th, 2026 7:21 AM Author: Indecent turquoise milk quadroon Lmfao @ gunner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49803086) |
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Date: April 8th, 2026 7:57 AM Author: Metal seedy doctorate alpha Lmao at XO pretending to have sympathy for some guy who "I can't, my long COVID". Nobody here genuinely thinks he's anything but a fucking loser, you guys just hate the also-loser woman more by default. If you flip the genders then it's NYT viewer ragebait and xo catnip instead of the other way around (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49803102) |
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Date: April 8th, 2026 8:23 AM Author: mustard buck-toothed death wish He doesn’t exist irl and it could be Lou Gehrig’s Disease for all we know. And he could be a Jock (Jocks get ALS). Women see men with illnesses as Idle. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49803129) |
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Date: April 8th, 2026 8:26 AM Author: vigorous garnet dog poop love of her life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49803138) |
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Date: April 8th, 2026 8:26 AM Author: mustard buck-toothed death wish Btw the MSM journalist is like, “Liberal arts, champ 😏” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49803137) |
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Date: April 8th, 2026 10:24 AM Author: Cream Blood Rage Locale isn't this revenge of the liberal artists? the Nerds are getting clobbered by AI w the death of CS/Engineering etc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49803377) |
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Date: April 8th, 2026 12:49 PM Author: mustard buck-toothed death wish Yeah and that’s how life is imo, it ebbs and flows ime. But I don’t like people who are like “ 😏 “ like people like OYT “like” Scumbag overdoses and white male unemployment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49803838) |
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Date: April 8th, 2026 1:33 PM Author: Cream Blood Rage Locale I mean isn't that the whole elite/liberal edifice - hating Scumbags and white males (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49804017) |
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Date: April 8th, 2026 6:51 PM Author: mustard buck-toothed death wish Yeah and it’s one of many reasons why OYT sucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853777&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=4593694#49805124) |