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Been hanging out with "Chill Drinking Brehs" wtf is the point of this shit?

This year and last I promised to just not care abt "fri...
Impressive double fault point
  11/20/25
https://ibb.co/nMM9LXBF
Harsh cerebral ape
  11/20/25
holy furk
Impressive double fault point
  11/20/25
All credit to Emilio Studies major / Emiliosexual tp (I love...
Harsh cerebral ape
  11/20/25
180
Trip Orchestra Pit Faggot Firefighter
  11/21/25
Woah CR friend :-) πŸΆπŸ¦ŽπŸ–οΈ
Harsh cerebral ape
  11/21/25
Yeah it’s gay when you’re 46. Having chill drink...
Filthy seedy boltzmann
  11/20/25
this one nowag dood i hadnt seen in like 5 years and he's so...
Impressive double fault point
  11/20/25
how successful is he with the pipe rapin' and what's his age...
Excitant coffee pot
  11/20/25
he's like a skinny somewhat short gook amerikkkan dood, prob...
Impressive double fault point
  11/20/25
how do all these guys support themselves overseas? did they ...
Excitant coffee pot
  11/20/25
one turd i know has 2m+ NW he was in STEM and got laid off r...
Impressive double fault point
  11/20/25
whose the richest self-made guy youve met in these travels?
Excitant coffee pot
  11/20/25
that turd, i dont really talk NW with ppl. i do know of a we...
Impressive double fault point
  11/21/25
that sounds gay my man
Jet-lagged school hominid
  11/20/25
I’m gay
Harsh cerebral ape
  11/20/25
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Jet-lagged school hominid
  11/20/25
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Harsh cerebral ape
  11/20/25
“we are goin to bars trying to pipe rape wtf is this s...
Carnelian Dead Trust Fund Hall
  11/20/25
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Harsh cerebral ape
  11/20/25
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Odious milky mediation mental disorder
  11/21/25
not flame id buy a TT travel book
Jet-lagged school hominid
  11/21/25
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Harsh cerebral ape
  11/21/25
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Orange Razzle Abode
  11/20/25
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Harsh cerebral ape
  11/20/25
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brindle anal library
  11/20/25
flaem. i have more friends post-30 than in high school or UG
Adventurous Rambunctious Shrine
  11/20/25
basically my entire life ive never had zero friends but neve...
Impressive double fault point
  11/20/25
sounds like maeking it fren
Orange Razzle Abode
  11/20/25
You really might be descending into madness. I understand...
silver native boistinker
  11/20/25
i didnt say i wont nigga, ill prob waste rest of year trying...
Impressive double fault point
  11/20/25
It's hard for most people to understand those of us who real...
concupiscible free-loading preventive strike space
  11/21/25
"Studies show male bonding is crucial for men's mental ...
Racy dark plaza
  11/20/25
Studies show that most studies are created by FAGGOTS but th...
Impressive double fault point
  11/20/25
Bro, just take the plunge and get on bort with ZOZOCON '26.
Racy dark plaza
  11/20/25
do it in pattaya
Impressive double fault point
  11/20/25
Counter offer: St Barth
Racy dark plaza
  11/21/25
Just fucking do it, Tommy
concupiscible free-loading preventive strike space
  11/21/25
...
Racy dark plaza
  11/21/25
Human bonding doesn’t work for sociopaths. They just ...
tan exhilarant haunted graveyard azn
  11/20/25
seems abt right, even when i was 2-3 years old i had no huma...
Impressive double fault point
  11/21/25
I’m sorry man.
tan exhilarant haunted graveyard azn
  11/21/25
its ok just 40 moar years in this faggot retarded life
Impressive double fault point
  11/21/25
I thought uvt said you were a shy shut in incel dork.
Dun church building
  11/21/25
i am but he's a NOWAG faggotchod
Impressive double fault point
  11/21/25
Lmao
concupiscible free-loading preventive strike space
  11/21/25
...
Lake giraffe
  11/21/25
what is the "point" of aimlessly travelshrewing an...
Charismatic chest-beating gaping dysfunction
  11/21/25
wat is the point of anything, whateva i do it sucks shit
Impressive double fault point
  11/21/25
maybe it's a you problem than chill brehs being pointless br...
Charismatic chest-beating gaping dysfunction
  11/21/25
whoaaa u think? whoaaa so profound, ive never pondered that ...
Impressive double fault point
  11/21/25
yw friend!
Charismatic chest-beating gaping dysfunction
  11/21/25
This could have been you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Fighting national
  11/21/25
U BLOODY BASTARD BITCH
Impressive double fault point
  11/21/25
hang with 2 of them again tonight, basically one of them is ...
Impressive double fault point
  11/22/25
Sounds like he's gay and having trouble admitting it
silver native boistinker
  11/24/25
last night we went to this big beer club and they had dancin...
Impressive double fault point
  11/24/25
The modern world is 180 apropos of nothing
Harsh cerebral ape
  11/24/25
...
Filthy seedy boltzmann
  11/24/25
its total shit, debating whether to pound the beers in my fr...
Impressive double fault point
  11/24/25
I haven't seen my friends IRL in like 2 years we just hang o...
Nighttime Vivacious Public Bath
  11/24/25
i sorta wish just every six months i did "friend" ...
Impressive double fault point
  11/24/25
Yeah my tolerance for irl thingdoing is at an all time low
Nighttime Vivacious Public Bath
  11/24/25


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Date: November 20th, 2025 5:05 PM
Author: Impressive double fault point

This year and last I promised to just not care abt "friends", social shit, vagina etc but last week or so had two "friends" in town and been hanging out. Its all just whatever, like after a bit who cares? Its furking stupid id rather just drink alone actually. I dont know the point of this shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49447528)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 6:03 PM
Author: Harsh cerebral ape

https://ibb.co/nMM9LXBF

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49447636)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 6:24 PM
Author: Impressive double fault point

holy furk

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49447705)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 6:28 PM
Author: Harsh cerebral ape

All credit to Emilio Studies major / Emiliosexual tp (I love men, too, which is why I made sure to save it immediately when he poasted it a week or so ago)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49447712)



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Date: November 21st, 2025 9:49 AM
Author: Trip Orchestra Pit Faggot Firefighter

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49449382)



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Date: November 21st, 2025 10:07 AM
Author: Harsh cerebral ape

Woah CR friend :-) πŸΆπŸ¦ŽπŸ–οΈ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49449441)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 5:10 PM
Author: Filthy seedy boltzmann

Yeah it’s gay when you’re 46. Having chill drinking brehs is for young people chasing slime

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49447544)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 5:16 PM
Author: Impressive double fault point

this one nowag dood i hadnt seen in like 5 years and he's so much older looking now its lolzy hes like afurking azn uncle now and we are goin to bars trying to pipe rape wtf is this shit this world is such faggot fraud shit jfc we were in a convievience store drinking watching hawt as furk bar girls walk in and out, one looked 13yo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49447556)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 5:20 PM
Author: Excitant coffee pot

how successful is he with the pipe rapin' and what's his age?

is he another failed hyphenated american refugee, CRUSHING the bar scene?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49447571)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 5:21 PM
Author: Impressive double fault point

he's like a skinny somewhat short gook amerikkkan dood, prob early 40s now

pre covid he was crushign viet pussy, i mean at least it seemed, i never saw all his chicas but he did way better than in US

dont think he ever met chicas from bar scence, mostly language exchagnes and shit

he's also complaining its diff now and viet girls arent as open to foriegners cause there's so many more now and too many rapists

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49447574)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 5:23 PM
Author: Excitant coffee pot

how do all these guys support themselves overseas? did they make off with a bag or are they all remote workers or some shit like that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49447578)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 5:29 PM
Author: Impressive double fault point

one turd i know has 2m+ NW he was in STEM and got laid off recently and got one year severance and shit

the gook i dont even know, i think his mom gives him money and now cause he was in US last five years i guess he saved some from working odd shit jerbs

i knew a kike nowag mix who also was rich

know an aussie dood who works engineering in remote location in AUS where they give him 2 weeks off after working like 4w, he just flies to viet and has apt here, he maeks six figures but dont think he has much savings

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49447593)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 7:56 PM
Author: Excitant coffee pot

whose the richest self-made guy youve met in these travels?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49448077)



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Date: November 21st, 2025 1:53 AM
Author: Impressive double fault point

that turd, i dont really talk NW with ppl. i do know of a weird kike birdshit incel in saigon who inherited millions, like maybe 5m but that doesnt count

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49448839)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 5:24 PM
Author: Jet-lagged school hominid

that sounds gay my man



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49447585)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 6:28 PM
Author: Harsh cerebral ape

I’m gay

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49447717)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 8:27 PM
Author: Jet-lagged school hominid



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49448163)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 8:31 PM
Author: Harsh cerebral ape



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49448190)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 8:29 PM
Author: Carnelian Dead Trust Fund Hall

“we are goin to bars trying to pipe rape wtf is this shit”

You should write a reverse Tucker Max style book

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49448178)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 8:51 PM
Author: Harsh cerebral ape



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49448272)



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Date: November 21st, 2025 10:05 AM
Author: Odious milky mediation mental disorder



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49449435)



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Date: November 21st, 2025 10:09 AM
Author: Jet-lagged school hominid

not flame id buy a TT travel book

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49449445)



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Date: November 21st, 2025 10:10 AM
Author: Harsh cerebral ape



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49449452)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 5:45 PM
Author: Orange Razzle Abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49447602)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 8:26 PM
Author: Harsh cerebral ape



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49448158)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 5:24 PM
Author: brindle anal library



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49447583)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 5:26 PM
Author: Adventurous Rambunctious Shrine

flaem. i have more friends post-30 than in high school or UG

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49447588)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 5:30 PM
Author: Impressive double fault point

basically my entire life ive never had zero friends but never had like moar than really 5-6 i cld message

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49447594)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 5:46 PM
Author: Orange Razzle Abode

sounds like maeking it fren

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49447604)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 5:53 PM
Author: silver native boistinker

You really might be descending into madness.

I understand not feeling it when all the obligations in life stack up on top of you.

You literally self-banned from the USA and don't do shit. Why would you go halfway around the world to sit alone, poast, and drink?

These brehs arent even permanent fixtures, they're visiting. Just have some fun for fucks sake.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49447619)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: Impressive double fault point

i didnt say i wont nigga, ill prob waste rest of year trying this shit again just cause wtf not nothing else to do but i realie its faggot shit and yes id actually be more content just drinking alone, i cld just go to street bar sit on a chair on sidewalk and drink beer for $1.25 each all night alone and be happier

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49447641)



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Date: November 21st, 2025 10:18 AM
Author: concupiscible free-loading preventive strike space

It's hard for most people to understand those of us who really don't need or crave human contact and actually get kind of annoyed by the disruption of it. It's not madness

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49449489)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 6:00 PM
Author: Racy dark plaza

"Studies show male bonding is crucial for men's mental and physical health, with some research suggesting a minimum of two meetups per week with friends is needed for maximum benefits. This type of social connection helps reduce stress, improve mood through endorphin release, and can even increase life expectancy and cardiovascular health."

Hanging with bros is 180, wtf. More and more the signs are clear that you and XO need for you to come RAGE with me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49447632)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 6:09 PM
Author: Impressive double fault point

Studies show that most studies are created by FAGGOTS but thats an interesting study cause id say abt two times a week is my ideal social interaction max

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49447642)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 6:11 PM
Author: Racy dark plaza

Bro, just take the plunge and get on bort with ZOZOCON '26.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49447647)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 6:24 PM
Author: Impressive double fault point

do it in pattaya

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49447704)



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Date: November 21st, 2025 9:42 AM
Author: Racy dark plaza

Counter offer: St Barth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49449369)



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Date: November 21st, 2025 10:19 AM
Author: concupiscible free-loading preventive strike space

Just fucking do it, Tommy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49449494)



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Date: November 21st, 2025 11:00 AM
Author: Racy dark plaza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49449625)



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Date: November 20th, 2025 8:28 PM
Author: tan exhilarant haunted graveyard azn

Human bonding doesn’t work for sociopaths. They just don’t “get it.” That’s what makes you a sociopath.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49448174)



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Date: November 21st, 2025 1:54 AM
Author: Impressive double fault point

seems abt right, even when i was 2-3 years old i had no human bonding. #furkedforlife

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49448840)



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Date: November 21st, 2025 2:20 AM
Author: tan exhilarant haunted graveyard azn

I’m sorry man.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49448873)



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Date: November 21st, 2025 2:22 AM
Author: Impressive double fault point

its ok just 40 moar years in this faggot retarded life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49448876)



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Date: November 21st, 2025 1:56 AM
Author: Dun church building

I thought uvt said you were a shy shut in incel dork.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49448845)



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Date: November 21st, 2025 2:02 AM
Author: Impressive double fault point

i am but he's a NOWAG faggotchod

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49448848)



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Date: November 21st, 2025 10:20 AM
Author: concupiscible free-loading preventive strike space

Lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49449495)



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Date: November 21st, 2025 11:08 AM
Author: Lake giraffe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49449644)



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Date: November 21st, 2025 11:12 AM
Author: Charismatic chest-beating gaping dysfunction

what is the "point" of aimlessly travelshrewing and drinking without chill brehs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49449660)



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Date: November 21st, 2025 11:33 AM
Author: Impressive double fault point

wat is the point of anything, whateva i do it sucks shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49449711)



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Date: November 21st, 2025 11:45 AM
Author: Charismatic chest-beating gaping dysfunction

maybe it's a you problem than chill brehs being pointless breh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49449735)



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Date: November 21st, 2025 12:07 PM
Author: Impressive double fault point

whoaaa u think? whoaaa so profound, ive never pondered that maybe im just a furking shitty person and never will be able to change

whoaaa u have just opened my mind to this possibility, saar!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49449792)



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Date: November 21st, 2025 12:16 PM
Author: Charismatic chest-beating gaping dysfunction

yw friend!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49449806)



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Date: November 21st, 2025 11:45 AM
Author: Fighting national

This could have been you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot8d6oh9nUw



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49449739)



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Date: November 21st, 2025 12:08 PM
Author: Impressive double fault point

U BLOODY BASTARD BITCH

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49449794)



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Date: November 22nd, 2025 4:35 PM
Author: Impressive double fault point

hang with 2 of them again tonight, basically one of them is obssessed with going to proper "clubs" to "meet women" and then i told him in saigon clubs its not so easy, culture diff and few places with bitches they are whores then i asked him "have u ever actually gone to a saigon club and met a girl" and he sorta got maf at me ljl.

i really hate this shit, the entire night this dumbazz wanted to go to places where its $10+ a drink, we went to one packed club and just stood there like lemmings. he had prior told me we cld go to some nice clubs to meet chicks. he didnt hit on a single bitch

i hate this shit, this is why i hate all this "social" shit, im content alone 99% of the time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49452393)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 2:05 PM
Author: silver native boistinker

Sounds like he's gay and having trouble admitting it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49456538)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 2:11 PM
Author: Impressive double fault point

last night we went to this big beer club and they had dancing doods and even dancing TRANNIES

then we went to some girlie bars and they inflated the bill

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49456572)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 2:11 PM
Author: Harsh cerebral ape

The modern world is 180 apropos of nothing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49456573)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 2:12 PM
Author: Filthy seedy boltzmann



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49456576)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 2:33 PM
Author: Impressive double fault point

its total shit, debating whether to pound the beers in my fridge, was hoaping to not drink this monday night but wtf shldnt i

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49456677)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 2:34 PM
Author: Nighttime Vivacious Public Bath

I haven't seen my friends IRL in like 2 years we just hang out on discord every night

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49456682)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 2:40 PM
Author: Impressive double fault point

i sorta wish just every six months i did "friend" stuff for like 2-3 weeks

thats all i wld need

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49456698)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 3:10 PM
Author: Nighttime Vivacious Public Bath

Yeah my tolerance for irl thingdoing is at an all time low

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5800419&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5102164#49456839)