The chances of that happening are about 20% which is shockingly high

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634059&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#48336312)

the thing with the dems is that they are controlled by a cabal of elites. it doesn't matter who the candidate is so long as that is the status quo. it used to be both parties until trump ushered in the maga realignment.

until the libs have a similar house cleaning i will not consider voting for them in a national election. i will assume any "reasonable" candidate they nominate is a trojan horse. clinton, obama, and biden were all reasonable, likable people when they first campaigned.

they've spent the past 30+ years promising and accomplishing nothing. the woke identity politics shit, and then their reversal on it, just showed how unprincipled they are. it's their own fault that they have sown so much distrust among the electorate. and i will not consider voting for them until there is persuasive evidence that a candidate is untethered from the democratic machine somewhat.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634059&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#48336332)

i don't think it's possible for them to do a complete political realignment in four years. look how long it's taken trump, and he's still going to be sweeping GOPe out for some time.

there are plenty of "normal white guys" in the dems. many serving governors. all of them are part of the machine and i wouldn't consider voting for any of them just like i would never consider voting for a romney or bush ever again.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634059&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#48336362)

To put it another way, they need a Trump

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634059&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#48336367)

if, somehow, maga collapses and the choice is an outsider like bernie versus a romney GOPe type, i would begrudgingly vote dem. but it will almost surely be a vance-type MAGA d00d. i can't imagine voting for even an outsider democrat in that matchup considering the GOP will have been cleaning house for over a decade at that point and the dems will, potentially, just have begun. and there's always a risk that the "dem outsider" will be a trojan horse a la obama.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634059&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#48336383)

Ezra Klein show: Dems basically a coalition of Metropolitan Tammany Halls, donors control absolutely everything from the top down. No one gives a fuck about the working class or lunchpail issues, it's all woke social issues and the elites astroturfing their views on regular people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634059&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#48336375)

I would vote for another lib like Trump, but not under the DNC banner

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634059&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#48336334)

Basically you need someone to come in there and flip off the DNC

Which could happen, they’re weaker than ever

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634059&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#48336347)

obviously MASE is trolling in this thread but i'm speaking in general. there are soooo many guys like this, it's crazy. i'm gonna start calling it the Fern Gully Mindset

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634059&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#48336363)

also most of those guys would start voting blue no matter who again if they were given the most remotely plausible excuse to. that's my point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634059&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#48336392)

damn i remember watching that like 20x around elementary school age

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634059&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#48336401)