Initial excitement always FADES. After a while women get BORED. No matter how much they like you the feelings go away over time and they start to think about their NEEDS.

You see the whole problem with society now is women are so NEEDY. They can never just be happy with what they've got. There's always another NEED coming down the pipeline. And that NEED is often material. They crave materialism, not connection. They always want MORE STUFF. This is why men and women can't be together anymore and no one is getting married and having kids.

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society didn't make women "needy." they are born that way. they crave new things and experiences, just like men. they get bored in relationships, like men.

historically men have had multiple wives and most men had none. society created the concept of lifelong monogamy because it's not our natural state. we wouldn't have all these social norms and laws about it if it wasn't necessary.

the difference between now and 50 years ago has nothing to do with women getting more needy. it's because:

1) women can provide for themselves most of the time, and

2) far less social consequences for divorce

the reason men initiate divorce less is because they have a sense of duty and honor.

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70% of divorces are initiated by women. i had the same experience as MPA and know a lot of men like him. very rarely do i see the opposite where a man "just doesn't feel it" anymore and leaves after a couple years. a man that does something like that would be seen as a lout, irresponsible, and dishonorable. yet when a woman does it it's strong, empowering, and taking control of her life.

most americans don't have an emergency fund. only like 10% of women get alimony. and child support is ljl. most divorces are from childless couples you retard. once women have kids they are far less likely to want to divorce. because now there *is* some pressure on maintaining the marriage. this is why marriage is retarded if you don't plan to have kids.

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nobody has any "honor" or "duty" lol give me a break wtf

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you won't leave an unhappy marriage because of money but you will completely dishonor it?

yeah, of course "honor" isn't the reason you're keeping your marriage. you're only keeping it legally. you're not honoring it.

my comments only apply to goys hth.

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But that's beside the point. You are completely delusional if you think that men stay in suboptimal marriages because of some sense of "duty" or "honor." Sometimes it is simple economics. Do you remember the thread where Muscadine Wine consulted with a divorce lawyer and was told that his wife would get basically his entire paycheck until his kids were 18?

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i'd say that a wife not taking care of herself can reach the point of "dishonoring the marriage." same if a guy let himself go. if they refused fulfil their commitment i would initiate divorce. or if i was super religious maybe commit to celibacy. but i wouldn't *not* divorce someone because of money. i'd rather be broke and live with honor.

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Honestly, the fact that you are so blithe about casually losing half of your net worth indicates to me that you are probably poor. If you're broke, then maybe you stay in a marriage because of some notion of duty. But if you have any assets, you're a fucking idiot if that doesn't at least affect your decision.

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no, i'm not poor. but if the market crashed by 50% tomorrow my day to day life would not meaningfully change. the only think my bank account balance represents to me is security. yeah, it would suck to lose a large portion of it. but i wouldn't cheat on the mother of my children to avoid that.

what is your mound of shekels for? what effect would losing a portion of them through divorce have on your daily life? would it be so significant that it's worth dishonoring yourself and your wife to keep them? to potentially your children find out that their dad is an honorless whoremonger? and, even if they don't, that that's the reality?

your the one that sounds poor. certainly poor in spirit. or poor in resources, such that you can't afford to lose them to preserve yourself and your family. but i doubt that that's the case -- i believe that you probably have plenty of resources. which makes the situation worse, you kike. you're willing to dishonor things that are supposed to be the most sacred in the world because of something as abstract as a bank account balance, even if losing a lot of it wouldn't really change your life. that's what so despicable, kike.

hth.

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I think in Gisele's case she wanted more attention. She clearly is way more into the karate teacher guy. She and Tom were always clashing. He was obsessed with his career. It reminds me of myself and my father. My dad would let any woman walk out the door before giving up his career. Tom is like that too.

They also just weren't into the same stuff. Gisele was into gay fashion world shit and Tom was a man's man. So yeah it is personality type. Tom was never going to BEG Gisele to go to Milan for fashion week but she would have loved it if he was as into it as she was.

Ultimately Tom couldn't meet her NEEDS but a closest homo karate teacher could.

I said women's needs TREND towards materialism but it's not the only thing. I think they also crave attention. One reason things didn't work out with the box is she needed a lot of attention in areas I couldn't provide for her. I'm not saying she's wrong but yeah now the new paradigm is that men and women are both special snowflakes who need everything to be about them. It's a recipe for disaster.

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women don't need men and they face little consequence for abandoning their partner. so they have no incentive to stick around. men are more likely to keep it going because they feel a sense of duty and honoring commitments for the sake of it in a way women don't.

nothing about women has changed. the only difference is that when she sees an aspirational bathmat you can't rely on her mother, friends, priest, etc. to keep her put like you could have before generally. that's why it's important to find conservative ones. not politically necessarily, but in that they value family over shiny trinkets and experiences. but the churched out tradwife still loves trinkets and experiences as much as any shrew. don't kid yourself.

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so- i get it, he's the GOAT football player, and she put up with it for a really long time. he said he was going to retire, then didn't, and it was then that she left him. i think she just got tired of him saying "our family will be a priority at X time" and then him not following through.

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Your assessment of Tom and Gisele is accurate. I don't think we're disagreeing here.

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lol at this shit. The rest of your post is good but this is bs. I think it's the same reason men are much less likely to go to the doctor even when they should seek medical attention. Men don't like to talk about or bring up things that make them sad or worried. It's just as selfish a reason as women have for starting the process.

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a man will ignore his health because he can delude himself that everything is fine. and a man can persist it a failing marriage for the same reason. the reason they think everything is "fine" in their marriage is because they think women think the way they do -- the marriage is "safe" because a honorable commitment was made to a permanent bond.

commitment to honor and duty seem virtuous in the abstract. but what if you are commanded by a superior officer to commit a war crime?

men will "check out" of a marriage but keep it going because they feel they have a duty to do so. they'll keep it going on paper but not in spirit. women won't. sometimes a marriage fails because a woman's desires change and she selfishly expects them to be met. sometimes they fail because the man isn't living up to his commitment in reality. but the woman is much more likely to initiate the divorce because she feels like of a duty to keep it going just because of a solemn commitment. men will do all sorts of bad things in the name of honor and duty. just because men experience these things doesn't make the 100% good.

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Tom is still hung up on Gisele did you not see the cringe as fuck message he wrote when she announced she was pregnant by another man? He was like MEU AMOR our familia grows ever larger as my heart grows ever bigger!!

This dude never wanted to break apart his family but he was hit by, he was struck by, an inspirational bathmat.

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lmao holy shit bud let's not get carried away here

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simple as.

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