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Starting to think Uncle Ted’s responses were *not* disproportionate
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Date: January 26th, 2021 7:09 AM Author: Chocolate bawdyhouse genital piercing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4749087&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#41825821) |
Date: January 26th, 2021 1:32 PM Author: Chocolate bawdyhouse genital piercing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4749087&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#41827807) |
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Date: January 26th, 2021 1:34 PM Author: domesticated electric furnace his actions were noble. but I would never take such actions myself, because I am trying to have a normal life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4749087&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#41827827) |
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Date: July 7th, 2021 11:25 AM Author: Flatulent Fighting Set Kitty 78. First, there doubtless are differences in the strength of the drive for power. Individuals with a weak drive for power may have relatively little need to go through the power process, or at least relatively little need for autonomy in the power process. These are docile types who would have been happy as plantation darkies in the Old South. (We don’t mean to sneer at the “plantation darkies” of the Old South. To their credit, most of the slaves were NOT content with their servitude. We do sneer at people who ARE content with servitude.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4749087&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#42743802) |
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Date: July 7th, 2021 11:26 AM Author: Flatulent Fighting Set Kitty 117. In any technologically advanced society the individual’s fate MUST depend on decisions that he personally cannot influence to any great extent. A technological society cannot be broken down into small, autonomous communities, because production depends on the cooperation of very large numbers of people and machines. Such a society MUST be highly organized and decisions HAVE TO be made that affect very large numbers of people. When a decision affects, say, a million people, then each of the affected individuals has, on the average, only a one-millionth share in making the decision. What usually happens in practice is that decisions are made by public officials or corporation executives, or by technical specialists, but even when the public votes on a decision the number of voters ordinarily is too large for the vote of any one individual to be significant. [17] Thus most individuals are unable to influence measurably the major decisions that affect their lives. There is no conceivable way to remedy this in a technologically advanced society. The system tries to “solve” this problem by using propaganda to make people WANT the decisions that have been made for them, but even if this “solution” were completely successful in making people feel better, it would be demeaning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4749087&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#42743805) |
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Date: July 7th, 2021 12:48 PM Author: nofapping supple lodge This isn't true.
In Israel, the have the Kibbutz (socialist agrarian self-sustaining communes) within the country, and Israel is one of the most technologically advanced countries on earth. |
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Date: October 7th, 2024 11:23 AM Author: 1072023180 (No Future) Sure, but the Kibbutzim are reliant on the protection of the IDF for their continued existence, which means they're reliant upon the overhang of a massive techno-political apparatus. So already they're alienated from control (especially because a lot of Israel's own military industrial complex relies upon the US and others, so Farmer Shlomo is reliant upon decisions made in other countries, too). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4749087&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#48172607) |
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Date: August 4th, 2021 11:38 AM Author: burgundy field french chef damn damn it xo ted is always right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4749087&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#42895144) |
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Date: July 7th, 2021 11:28 AM Author: Flatulent Fighting Set Kitty 129. Another reason why technology is such a powerful social force is that, within the context of a given society, technological progress marches in only one direction; it can never be reversed. Once a technical innovation has been introduced, people usually become dependent on it, so that they can never again do without it, unless it is replaced by some still more advanced innovation. Not only do people become dependent as individuals on a new item of technology, but, even more, the system as a whole becomes dependent on it. (Imagine what would happen to the system today if computers, for example, were eliminated.) Thus the system can move in only one direction, toward greater technologization. Technology repeatedly forces freedom to take a step back, but technology can never take a step back—short of the overthrow of the whole technological system. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4749087&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#42743811) |
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Date: July 7th, 2021 11:38 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle double fault athletic conference Not true. There is always the hope of a new dark age.
Also high technology requires enormous material and energy inputs. It can easily falter. Consider the chip shortage this year. |
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Date: July 7th, 2021 11:43 AM Author: Flatulent Fighting Set Kitty In every Dystopia scenario where modern technology has faltered, a great deal of time and energy is spent by the inhabitants of this collapsed world acquiring and using now-defunct technology.
However many steps back a disaster might move technology, the human impulse is to immediately begin developing technology.
Uncle Ted directly refutes your criticism in the above paragraph when he writes, "within the context of a given society". |
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Date: July 7th, 2021 11:29 AM Author: Flatulent Fighting Set Kitty 145. Imagine a society that subjects people to conditions that make them terribly unhappy, then gives them drugs to take away their unhappiness. Science fiction? It is already happening to some extent in our own society. It is well known that the rate of clinical depression has been greatly increasing in recent decades. We believe that this is due to disruption of the power process, as explained in paragraphs 59-76. But even if we are wrong, the increasing rate of depression is certainly the result of SOME conditions that exist in today’s society. Instead of removing the conditions that make people depressed, modern society gives them antidepressant drugs. In effect, antidepressants are a means of modifying an individual’s internal state in such a way as to enable him to tolerate social conditions that he would otherwise find intolerable. (Yes, we know that depression is often of purely genetic origin. We are referring here to those cases in which environment plays the predominant role.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4749087&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#42743814) |
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Date: July 7th, 2021 11:30 AM Author: Flatulent Fighting Set Kitty 148. There is no contradiction here; an individual whose attitudes or behavior bring him into conflict with the system is up against a force that is too powerful for him to conquer or escape from, hence he is likely to suffer from stress, frustration, defeat. His path will be much easier if he thinks and behaves as the system requires. In that sense the system is acting for the benefit of the individual when it brainwashes him into conformity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4749087&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#42743818) |
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Date: July 7th, 2021 11:47 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle double fault athletic conference Christ has an answer for this. We are pilgrims here, wayfaring strangers. The corruption of the world system is assumed. We give it its due outwardly but inwardly our loyalties lie upwardly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4749087&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#42743891) |
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Date: July 7th, 2021 12:49 PM Author: nofapping supple lodge This sounds like a goth eighth grader ranting against "conformity" online on his Live Journal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4749087&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#42744228) |
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Date: July 7th, 2021 12:51 PM Author: hilarious maroon ratface dilemma he’s talking about the system in a much broader more powerful sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4749087&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#42744239) |
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Date: July 7th, 2021 12:54 PM Author: nofapping supple lodge What system? Capitalism? Democracy? Technological progress with transistors and microchips? Religion? Constitutional Republics? A System of Laws? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4749087&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#42744246) |
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Date: July 7th, 2021 12:55 PM Author: hilarious maroon ratface dilemma our social/economic system as shaped by technology. did you even read it lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4749087&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#42744257) |
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Date: July 7th, 2021 12:59 PM Author: nofapping supple lodge But what about technology specifically? He doesn't say "our social system as shaped by technology", he says "the system". Define clearly what "the system" means. The core of our social system was set up hundreds of years ago in documents crafted before electric power or technology beyond paved roads, horse and buggies and muskets. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4749087&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#42744268) |
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Date: July 7th, 2021 11:30 AM Author: Flatulent Fighting Set Kitty 155. Our society tends to regard as a “sickness” any mode of thought or behavior that is inconvenient for the system, and this is plausible because when an individual doesn’t fit into the system it causes pain to the individual as well as problems for the system. Thus the manipulation of an individual to adjust him to the system is seen as a “cure” for a “sickness” and therefore as good. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4749087&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#42743822) |
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Date: August 4th, 2021 11:18 AM Author: Chocolate bawdyhouse genital piercing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4749087&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#42895074) |
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Date: July 7th, 2021 11:18 AM Author: abnormal business firm liquid oxygen Uncle Ted could have saved us all, we didn't listen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4749087&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#42743780) |
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Date: July 7th, 2021 11:21 AM Author: Flatulent Fighting Set Kitty Future of Western Society v. Three Dead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4749087&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#42743788) |
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Date: July 7th, 2021 12:42 PM Author: bateful hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4749087&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#42744197) |
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Date: August 4th, 2021 11:31 AM Author: Motley preventive strike His arguments are interesting. I do think many problems of modern society can be traced back to the explosion of technological development that began with the industrial revolution. It enabled capitalism to become this large scale thing that both enriched many people but also degraded and abused many others as well. Movements like communism and fascism were a direct response to that. I believe he’s also written that technology has provided people with the leisure necessary to come up with increasingly bizarre forms of leftism. That’s probably true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4749087&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#42895115) |
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Date: October 7th, 2024 11:20 AM Author: Karlstack (reticulated) (🍑 Pronouns: Ausländer/Raus döp dödö döp) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4749087&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212",#48172590) |
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Date: October 7th, 2024 11:21 AM Author: rachmiel ruined my life (jcm) The biggest problem with Uncle T's response was that it wasn't strong enough.
HTH. |