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Why hasn't somebody reported CSLG to CA bar for paying referral fees to docs
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Date: September 25th, 2024 9:10 AM Author: ,..,,......,....,,,,..,.,... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48129705) |
Date: September 25th, 2024 9:49 AM Author: ,..,,......,....,,,,..,.,... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48129811) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 9:50 AM Author: Judas Jones are chiropractors really doctors? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48129814) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:00 AM Author: Shlomo Circumstein They can diagnose facet syndrome (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48129859) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 9:58 AM Author: rickpanama were you the kid that reminded the teacher she forgot to assign homework? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48129845) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:00 AM Author: Shlomo Circumstein Starting to think you might be jewish (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48129857) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:01 AM Author: rickpanama not following, so it's a jewish thing to beat the shit out of the teacher's pet? pretty sure that's more a sign of my blue-collar cath k-8/jesuit upbringing, my man :) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48129862) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:00 AM Author: excellent poaster (kike trash) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48129858) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:02 AM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard there was a (((hemophiliac))) kid in my 7th grade algebra class who I'd routinely outperform on exams. He'd always want to look at my exams to make sure the points were added correctly.
One time they weren't and he threw a hissy fit. The teacher told him to shut up and mind his own business.
Valuable lessons were learnt that day. |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:01 AM Author: Obeezy Why do you freak shows always trying to fuck with peoples IRL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48129861) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:03 AM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48129866) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:07 AM Author: ,..,,......,....,,,,..,.,... cslg has fuck you money, it wouldn't phase him in the slightest to lose his license (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48129882) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:08 AM Author: excellent poaster Why are loser jew midgets always nuthugging each other here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48129888) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:28 AM Author: rickpanama oh, now i get it, you think i'm ((())) because i made a comment in defense of cslg. i'm not defending him, i'm criticizing fags like you that feel entitled to needlessly fuck with other people's lives because you're jealous they're more successful than you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48129996) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:35 AM Author: excellent poaster lol no you dumb faggot it’s because every single one of your poasts reeks of being retarded kike trash
but yes if you think some autistic kike midget not being able to do predatory financial schemes with a bunch of underclass ethnics isn’t a net positive for society, you’re probably also kike trash
he *should* be fucked with because he is a pathetic loser
I’m sure you’d say the same thing about spaceporn |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:59 AM Author: rickpanama oh got it, you're a poor. carry on (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48130144) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:44 AM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48130085) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:38 AM Author: ...,....,,........ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48130048) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:08 AM Author: oli Because he’s never once said he’s done that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48129889) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:09 AM Author: excellent poaster cr negrobill wouldn’t do that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48129891) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:09 AM Author: ,..,,......,....,,,,..,.,... how does he keep his docs/chiros happy and loyal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48129892) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:12 AM Author: oli By giving them tons and tons of repeat business (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48129902) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:18 AM Author: ,..,,......,....,,,,..,.,... sounds like a quid pro quo, and that the referral fee is paid in kind. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48129936) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:40 AM Author: kdh so having a large client pool you can refer to doctors is per se an ethics violation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48130058) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:20 AM Author: ,,,...,,......,,....,,,,,,,,....... Gift baskets (that include cash stapled to the bottom) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48129943) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:38 AM Author: ...,....,,........ 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48130050) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:22 AM Author: ,,,...,,......,,....,,,,,,,,....... Tbh it works the opposite way. Plaintiffs aren’t really hurt and just go to lawyer first. And then the lawyer sends them to doctors to create damages. So it’s actually the doctors that want referrals from the PI attorneys. And they get the referrals by being willing to inflate damages (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48129948) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:26 AM Author: ,..,,......,....,,,,..,.,... how do the doctors get paid? why haven't medical insurance companies caught on to this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48129976) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:30 AM Author: ,.,..,...,..,..,,,,.,.,.,.,,., He directs his patients not to use health insurance. And then the treating providers in his network bill at a really high rate, hold the bill in abeyance pending case resolution. Then get reimbursed a high percentage of the billed rate at the time of the settlement. Docs fare significantly better than they would have under insurance reimbursement rates, and everyone is happy. None of that violates any ethics rules that I can think of. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48130000) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:33 AM Author: pwnpwnpwn Lying about the extent of injuries and providing unneeded treatments is an ethical violation for the docs. And it’s a violation for CSLG to suborn this fraud. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48130017) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:35 AM Author: ,.,..,...,..,..,,,,.,.,.,.,,., Why would they be lying though? It's soft tissue injury. The more movement and pain relief, the better the likelihood of full recovery.
And also there's no fraud for CSLG to suborn. Some docs just take a more aggressive approach than others, is how it would play out. |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 2:11 PM Author: pwnpwnpwn They lie to get more referrals from CSLG moron.
They do all sorts of unnecessary shit with no basis in science, like soft tissue injections. |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:30 AM Author: rickpanama they're prob working on deferred fees and get paid out of the settlement $ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48130003) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:34 AM Author: pwnpwnpwn Yes they have a “mechanics lien” on any judgment for the work they do. They get paid 100% of their inflated bills which is a huge windfall compared to having to take mandatory insurance write offs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48130024) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:59 AM Author: ,,,...,,......,,....,,,,,,,,....... Doctors take a lien in the settlement and get paid out at end with the PI attorney. Of course it comes out of the plaintiffs share as costs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48130142) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 11:00 AM Author: ,..,,......,....,,,,..,.,... is there some kind of third party that's responsible for making sure damages aren't being inflated? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48130148) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 11:07 AM Author: oli thats the job of your insurance company and its lawyers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48130166) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 4:49 PM Author: Candy Ride (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48131472) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 11:11 AM Author: ,,,...,,......,,....,,,,,,,,....... Everyone knows they’re inflated. It’s just really hard/impossible to prove. The scam of medicine in US oddly facilitates the scam in law. This literally only happens in US. Doesn’t exist anywhere else in world. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48130188) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:13 AM Author: Shlomo Circumstein Oh ok they're paid inflated non-arms-length rates on liens and regularly receive gifts of jewellery (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48129905) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:27 AM Author: ..,.,...,.,,,.,,.,,,. The way to do it in California would be just to direct clients not to use their health insurance at all, honor the highest possible billing rate in reimbursement after cases settle. That's all. And there's nothing wrong with that per se. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48129980) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:29 AM Author: Shlomo Circumstein How is that in the best interests of Jose the undocumented client (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48129998) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:31 AM Author: ,.,..,...,..,..,,,,.,.,.,.,,., What?? The medical services are billed at a high rate--as high as you can get without shutting the whole thing down--and then the bills are held in abeyance pending case resolution. It doesnt matter whether the patient has health insurance or not under that scenario--if he does, he just doesn't use it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48130005) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:32 AM Author: Shlomo Circumstein Why is it in the best interests of the client to pay a bigger share of settlement % to the doc as a kickback (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48130012) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:38 AM Author: ,.,..,...,..,..,,,,.,.,.,.,,., I dont understand, and again, it's not really a kickback. If the liens are higher than if he went elsewhere for treatment, but the settlement (which is driven in part by the extent of medical bills) is also higher as a result, the client ends up putting *more* in his pocket than he would otherwise.
The amount of the bills to some extent drives the value of the case. |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:56 AM Author: Shlomo Circumstein why is settlement is driven by extent of med bills? Don't defendants just have their number (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48130130) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:58 AM Author: kdh isn't the settlement ideally supposed to make you whole? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48130141) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 11:51 AM Author: Shlomo Circumstein What are you on about, are you even a lolyer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48130321) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 2:16 PM Author: ....:::..:....:::..:...;;;..;...:.:: you seem like you might be retarded...
And you can thank the auto insurance company for only looking at medical bills when determining what to pay for a claim and using that as their primary basis for calculating a number.
So clients who treat through Medi-Cal get paid less generally than clients who treat on lien all things being equal. You can blame the insurance companies for that, not Plaintiff's attorneys. |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 2:34 PM Author: LathamTouchedMe You’re correct. If we go with the assumption that the value of the injury is the same no matter method of medical billing (false in the real world because insurance companies use the bills as a simple guide for settlement but true in an academic sense) then yes, inflating the lien costs the client. I think the liens accrue interest as well. Unethical practice is more on the chiro and doctor but the attorney could be said to facilitate the improper practice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48130992) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 2:49 PM Author: oli Settlements should account for future pain and suffering and future medical expenses though. A settlement is not just over the medical liens. And the greater the liens the larger the future P&S.
You could have a $1000 lien and $10,000 in future P&S or a $10,000 lien and $20,000 in future P&S and the client comes out ahead.
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Date: September 25th, 2024 3:00 PM Author: Shlomo Circumstein "And the greater the liens the larger the future P&S." why does it make a difference to damages whether the armenian shyster gets $100 or $1000 a shot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48131098) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 3:06 PM Author: oli it makes a difference to the overall value of the settlement because expensive treatment now means expensive treatment in the future. no treatment now means no treatment in the future. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48131116) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 3:08 PM Author: Shlomo Circumstein Why does that matter to the client if all that money is just spoken for by the doctor? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48131123) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 3:11 PM Author: oli the only thing spoken for by the doctor is the medical lien, not future medical expenses/future P&S (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48131133) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 3:11 PM Author: Shlomo Circumstein Lol how is that not fraud as well (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48131135) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 3:19 PM Author: LathamTouchedMe Yeah but you can’t say that. My point is that if the system operated as it should there’d be no rationale for the way doctors are billing. If you were before a California state senate committee you couldn’t say “yeah we’re billing in a way that inflates medical expenses but the client comes out ahead because it allows the attorneys to make spurious claims regarding the other aspects of the damage claim”. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48131154) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 4:56 PM Author: oli Sure you can say it. You can explain to the client how settlements work generally and what factors into them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48131488) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 5:07 PM Author: ....:::..:....:::..:...;;;..;...:.:: this exact thing has repeatedly been explained in court...
"yes we charge higher rates to treat on lien due to the uncertainty associated with recovery on these cases as well as the significant time providers have to wait before they are paid. As opposed to insurance which pays more or less at the time of service and for a guaranteed amount."
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Date: September 25th, 2024 4:50 PM Author: Candy Ride Because it makes the settlement even bigger. It only fucks over people who pay for car insurance. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48131473) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 4:56 PM Author: Shlomo Circumstein (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48131493) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:31 AM Author: rickpanama jose prob gets a bigger check based on his 'pain and suffering' (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48130008) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:32 AM Author: Shlomo Circumstein "This is the worst case of facet syndrome I have seen today" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48130013) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:36 AM Author: just be racist The whole world is a scam trying to destroy us. Let ur brother in poast do his thing. Haters always trying to pull everyone down in this kike casino. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48130037) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 10:38 AM Author: excellent poaster Oh look another trash kike (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48130046) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 2:36 PM Author: gtt (gunneratttt) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48130998) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 11:03 AM Author: "'''''"'''"""''''" Worst case scenario for CSLG is he gets to retire at age 40-something (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48130156) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 11:52 AM Author: Shlomo Circumstein He has to spend the rest of his life worrying about Dr. Simonyan flipping on him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48130323) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 11:55 AM Author: chandler (retired) doctors want business from lawyers, not vice versa.
doctors giving kickbacks to lawyers is a disbarring offense and actually prosecuted:
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Date: September 25th, 2024 2:26 PM Author: mtg (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) Alexander Royzman (dob 6/22/71 Yury Chernega (dob 7/1/71) of Studio City, Edith Coronado-Grande (dob 5/8/64) of Glendora Lon Segal (dob 9/15/55) of Los Angeles Bruce Householder (dob 7/29/71) of Burbank Christine Elvine (dob 7/7/69) of Arcadia Luzan Madain (dob 4/13/75) of Canyon Country Payam Shayan (dob 8/28/69) of Tarzana Arash Noor (dob 5/14/80) of Los Angeles David Soloway (dob 2/28/70) of Brea Gilberto Gomez (dob 10/4/48) of Los Angeles Omid Okhowat (dob 10/5/69) of Los Angeles |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 2:39 PM Author: iaf >Bruce Householder (dob 7/29/71) of Burbank
sounds white, non-jewish. odd case
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Date: September 25th, 2024 2:40 PM Author: iaf prole white covered in tats lol:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJPl3H2B2qg/
https://www.instagram.com/p/CCCUnuvBb1W/
https://www.instagram.com/p/CCPtL02BEGt/ |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 2:47 PM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard kid's name is "ezra" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48131037) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 2:58 PM Author: iaf ezra is #15 name in the US -- hardly jewish:
https://nameberry.com/popular-names/us |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 2:51 PM Author: squirreldood Householder is actually a tossup. Coems from the German Haushalter, and can be either Jewish and non-Jewish.
If that were Kansas City, I'd bet he's a goy. Given that it's LA, likley a Jew. |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 2:59 PM Author: iaf where is hyman to do the work on this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48131094) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 3:01 PM Author: richard clock (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48131100) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 2:44 PM Author: msj i guess all the blue blood wasp strip mall chiros got a pass, per usual. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48131032) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 3:05 PM Author: solace and wallace "doctors"
>12 'chiropractors' have been charged in a $2.5 million insurance fraud and illegal kickback scheme involving automobile collision medical claims.
Much safer to send your clients to someone qualified to give them 'pain management injections' at 1k a pop, amirite? |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 5:01 PM Author: jin 1k? lol. Brother, The injections (epidurals) actually cost like $15k each. That’s why cslg gets all his clients to get multiple epidurals. It’s the big money maker as it really drives up the case value (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48131512) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 5:02 PM Author: Shlomo Circumstein Facet syndrome may be the leading cause of disability in southern california (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48131515) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 2:52 PM Author: ChadGPT-5 doesn't sound illegal to prostitute doctors and lawyers tbh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48131058) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 3:03 PM Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.) Because snitches get stiches, faggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48131106) |
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Date: September 25th, 2024 4:57 PM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard and end up in ditches (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5601167&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#48131498) |