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Isn’t Iran war much more “justified” than Iraq since they basically have n
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Date: September 18th, 2026 10:31 AM Author: iridescent boyish hall Nukes
Like literally no war is “justified” since it’s just about idk phenotype expression, resources, whatever. But Iran has a much higher IQ than middle east shitholes so it’s awkwardly powerful in a way that means you have to Attack it from a political science pov.
Btw the most justified war is when African tribes conquer Pygmies because they’re ridiculously Short. Discuss. Height makes right, champ. |
Date: September 18th, 2026 10:33 AM Author: fantasy-prone famous landscape painting shrine They don’t have nukes but they should (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142181) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 10:48 AM Author: Abusive vigorous whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142206) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 11:04 AM Author: Opaque center 🚨 this is a WLMAS account 🚨
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Date: September 18th, 2026 11:05 AM Author: vibrant magenta locale go fuck a goat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142240) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 11:21 AM Author: fantasy-prone famous landscape painting shrine E-mail me your goat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142283) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 3:28 PM Author: vibrant magenta locale https://youtu.be/FF7ouCjSPB4?t=89 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142798) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 11:09 AM Author: Racy organic girlfriend theater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142251) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 10:34 PM Author: federal trump supporter gas station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50143448) |
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Date: September 19th, 2026 6:45 PM Author: Clear arousing field jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50144393) |
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Date: September 20th, 2026 12:06 PM Author: Violet Range Yarmulke (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50145231) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 10:36 AM Author: curious roast beef Why shouldn’t a nation with a 3 thousand year history and 100 million people have nukes? They haven’t invaded anyone in 400 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142184) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 10:39 AM Author: galvanic personal credit line coffee pot Because it's bad for us (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142190) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 10:46 AM Author: Citrine temple The best thing for us would have been to have serious checks on our aggression while enjoying the fruits of reserve currency status
Instead, we've wasted our opportunity and will serve as yet another case study of mistaking the temporary for permanency while failing to build resilience to changing dynamics |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 10:50 AM Author: curious roast beef Correct. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142211) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 11:09 AM Author: galvanic personal credit line coffee pot I think it's a bit more complicated. The backbone of the reserve currency status is the petrodollar. The US signs a lease granting partial ownership of Venezuelan oil fields. That's not so that we get money from Venezuela, it's so that oil companies have assurances into the future. The north American energy bloc is a counter to the ME and the only future safe energy supply.
Great interview with the type of people US energy is partnering with. Huge Venezuelan dispora from the energy sector after Chavez booted them all out. Now they're coming back and extremely pro American energy. Not saying everything will work out this way (doubtful) but it's certainly not as simple as the news portrays it.
https://youtu.be/GkIF2YpUMI8?is=g7-Zxjy3qzXyW_GH
And...
China just started refilling their reserves.
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Date: September 18th, 2026 11:17 AM Author: Citrine temple Even if we accept this view, our wars and policing in the middle east, our unrestrained support of Israel, and our over-eager use of sanctions has wasted a tremendous amount of money other than for the benefit of the United States while reducing our stature as a trustworthy partner
Had there been nuclear weapons restraining various actors, including ourselves, we would have had greater incentive to pursue stability, which would also funnel much more money back into the US instead of our military
I don't think there's any coherent defense for what we've done than "because we could" (or thought we could, at least), and that's not a recipe for long-term success |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 11:22 AM Author: galvanic personal credit line coffee pot I think it's possible that a nuclear Iran could further stability in the middle east. That would be the worst possible outcome for the US. Israel and these Sunni dictators are by design. The US needs a pretext to maintain occupation.
A nuclear Iran would remove a ton of options from the table and likely we'd see other Arab states begin their own programs. The US must be the only nuclear power in the region. |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 11:58 AM Author: Citrine temple There seems to be a GLARING HOLE in this nuclear armament take (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142354) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 1:20 PM Author: galvanic personal credit line coffee pot You mean Jews already having a bomb? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142529) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 10:34 PM Author: federal trump supporter gas station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50143450) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 11:08 AM Author: Frozen hateful lay it'd be fine if they hadn't been chanting death to israel, death to america for 40 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142248) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 11:10 AM Author: Racy organic girlfriend theater You think Iran wants to nuke America? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142254) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 11:28 AM Author: Frozen hateful lay they'd love to. admittedly that's a way, way off risk. but why even allow it? if someone goes around repeatedly saying they want to kill you, you should be allowed to preempt them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142304) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 1:25 PM Author: galvanic personal credit line coffee pot There are definitely factions within Iran that would use a nuclear weapon. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142541) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 11:10 AM Author: Racy organic girlfriend theater Anyone? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142253) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 10:48 AM Author: Silver juggernaut if u think the average american knows the difference between iraq and iran i have some news for u (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142208) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 10:48 AM Author: Abusive vigorous whorehouse Turns out they don’t even need nukes to completely cripple our economy and embarrass our military (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142209) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 10:51 AM Author: curious roast beef Yes. Your army sucks and I’ve been posting about that for 20 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142212) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 10:57 AM Author: Abusive vigorous whorehouse You’ve spent 4 1/2 years and 1.5 million Russian casualties trying unsuccessfully to invade your next door neighbor
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Date: September 18th, 2026 11:03 AM Author: curious roast beef Russian losses are a third that (1/6th if purely counting KIA) and it cost NATO half a trillion in direct aid and emptying every arsenal on earth to still lose to Russia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142235) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 11:04 AM Author: Opaque center 🚨 this is a WLMAS account 🚨
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Date: September 18th, 2026 11:10 AM Author: Racy organic girlfriend theater our navy sucks too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142255) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 10:53 AM Author: brass stage tank none of that is true and they're being treated with kid gloves (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142215) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 10:54 AM Author: Gay sick dilemma Why treat them with kid gloves if they can't do anything? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142220) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 11:11 AM Author: Racy organic girlfriend theater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142258) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 11:13 AM Author: galvanic personal credit line coffee pot Why not? Right now it's like fly by wire...keep it very unstable and ensure total chaos if the US were to ever leave. The US wants to dictate where China gets its energy from. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142260) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 11:22 AM Author: Gay sick dilemma Iran seems pretty stable. Trump admin, not so much. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142286) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 11:28 AM Author: galvanic personal credit line coffee pot Stable? Are you kidding me? Their economy was in free fall before the strikes and their gdp per cap was about half of their rich Arab neighbors. The country is being run by religious warlords.
And Trump blusters but he has the full backing of the establishment now. Take that for what you will. He might be picking options in a given theater that are on the margins of what's acceptable, but he operating within agreed upon parameters. It's not that big of a departure from his prior presidents. Even on something like immigration. He's allowed to cut it off because the gambit has flipped to ai solving population decline, not because we got really good at border security all of a sudden. |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 11:28 AM Author: Gay sick dilemma ETA on Iran collapsing? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142305) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 11:50 AM Author: godawful base If Trump actually does keep the war going for the rest of his term there’s like a 90% chance of civil war in Iran by 2030. If the Dems force him to stop the war next spring then the range of possible outcomes is much wider and depends on various other factors eg does Ukraine war finally end some time next year? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142331) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 11:52 AM Author: Gay sick dilemma sup.TMF! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142337) |
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Date: September 19th, 2026 3:02 PM Author: federal trump supporter gas station That's definitely not TMF. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50144095) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 1:25 PM Author: galvanic personal credit line coffee pot What end would that serve? That was an Israeli goal. People don't realize it but Iran is not homogeneous. There are tons of Shia Persians but where the oil is along the Gulf is full of Sunni tribes and we have our favorite Kurds to the west. Israel wanted that to all fracture something like Iraq or Syria.
The US just needs a bad guy in the region so we have a reason that arabs are cool with us having bases there (even though the bases are really there so we can prevent their autocratic governments from being deposed).
Blockading Iran and stopping all of the discounted oil NOT sold in dollars from going to China is priority 1a. |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 1:26 PM Author: Gay sick dilemma why isn't Trump seizing Chinese tankers? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142545) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 1:28 PM Author: chest-beating spruce hospital The US bases are there to support Israel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142549) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 1:34 PM Author: galvanic personal credit line coffee pot Israel is there to justify the western presence to begin with. It's like the one thing we can get Jews to do but people miss the forest through the trees. We inherited this from the brits as we took up the lead position following WW2, but this is very tried and true. Lol or yeah we're just there to keep the peace. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142567) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 1:56 PM Author: chest-beating spruce hospital No, this makes no sense. Israel is there because of zionism and the disproportionate power of diaspora jews in UK and USA. Jews feel a blood entitlement to the land and would war over it for vindictive purposes with or without goy support, jut the goy support (bought with money and kompromat) ensures the success of that effort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142618) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 2:25 PM Author: galvanic personal credit line coffee pot The modern Zionist movement went back decades before WW2. Even among Jews it was considered fringe. Then these fringe groups convinced the most sophisticated geopolitical players in the world to make a purely altruistic concession? Or Maybe the brits like putting diametrically opposed groups next to each other in areas of strategic importance as a means to exploit the easily foreseeable issues that arise. This is text book. They really took advantage of the insecurity of the Jews and got them to take on a really unenviable task. They're in the desert, not the part with oil mind you, surrounded by people that hate them that are ladden with cash.
Intersection with Zionism and Imperial Partition (Sykes-Picot)Strategic Buffer for the Suez Canal: During World War I and its aftermath, British imperial strategists viewed the Levant and Palestine not merely through ideological or religious contexts, but as a vital land bridge and defensive perimeter protecting the Suez Canal—the maritime lifeline to India—and checking potential continental rivals from pushing toward the Inner Crescent.The Balfour Declaration and Realpolitik: British support for a Jewish national home in Palestine (formalized in the Balfour Declaration) aligned with wartime calculations to secure strategic allies and establish a friendly, reliable administrative presence in a pivotal geopolitical crossroads adjacent to the Suez and the Arabian landmass.Mapping the Middle East: The secret Sykes-Picot Agreement of 1916 divided the Ottoman Empire's Arab provinces into British and French spheres of influence, reflecting the exact kind of global-scale cartographic carving that Mackinder’s rising school of geopolitics sought to analyze and master. |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 2:40 PM Author: chest-beating spruce hospital It wasnt purely altruistic. They were being lobbied by Zios with (1) money and (2) a penchant for skullduggery. To the extent the Brits believed a Jewish state in the region would be advantageous to Brits, it was because Zios convinced them of it (or "convinced" them of it by putting compromising photos on their desks or a suitcase full of cash. This was Robert Maxwell's MO). Certainly TE Lawrence did not believe that a homogeneously Arab Levant posed any disadvantage to the UK. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142695) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 4:14 PM Author: galvanic personal credit line coffee pot Israel has been useful in the region and for the most part they shoulder the burden. Sure we pay them but at least they have skin in the game. I can also see plenty of instances where our interests align and we bomb someone but also plenty where we don't. I think Iran now is at a phase where the Israelis do not like the aims we're pursuing. At a base level the Jews want anyone they can't buy off to be reduced to chaos.
I see Israel as a masterstroke and last vestige of the old English statecraft. Extremely manipulative but they always had a way of getting exactly what they wanted but claiming to somehow get outclassed or like the made a mistake. I don't think anyone in history has been more successful at that game.
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Date: September 19th, 2026 9:36 PM Author: Brindle genital piercing rehab (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50144577) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 11:24 AM Author: Racy organic girlfriend theater Anyone? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142296) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 11:04 AM Author: Opaque center 🚨 this is a WLMAS account 🚨
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Date: September 18th, 2026 10:53 AM Author: Demanding friendly grandma party of the first part "Btw the most justified war is when African tribes conquer Pygmies because they’re ridiculously Short. Discuss. Height makes right, champ."
actual lol tyft |
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Date: September 20th, 2026 12:32 PM Author: rusted electric boistinker black woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50145277) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 11:30 AM Author: jet irradiated school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142307) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 12:30 PM Author: Laughsome ultramarine church it's not a real war-- a true military solution is waiting in the wings-- boots on the ground, regime change, occupying troops, stay tuned (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142410) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 12:30 PM Author: Frozen hateful lay like afghanistan times 10, great idea. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142411) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 12:31 PM Author: Laughsome ultramarine church all this energy crisis is prelude to full scale invasion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142413) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 2:46 PM Author: Frozen hateful lay i hate this completely idiotic and unnecessary war but i'm kind of leaning toward invasion. the alternative is a fucking disaster and will inevitably lead to a future conflict with a much stronger IRGC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142718) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 2:47 PM Author: chest-beating spruce hospital We can ally with the irgc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142723) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 2:49 PM Author: Frozen hateful lay hey muhammed, we're starting to come around on the whole death to israel thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142728) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 2:51 PM Author: chest-beating spruce hospital Lol I mean with a DSA president (not impossible in 2028) it makes sense (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142738) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 2:48 PM Author: Laughsome ultramarine church Iran is the lone country standing in the way of the free passage of oil for the whole world-- that's a recipe for disaster ad infinitum (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142725) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 2:49 PM Author: Frozen hateful lay i agree and the whole world needs to chip in, but they won't because we've alienated all our allies and we started this shit all on our own. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142730) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 2:51 PM Author: Laughsome ultramarine church WWIII will bring us together-US/Europe vs BRICS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142737) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 2:52 PM Author: chest-beating spruce hospital Do.you think Brazil will declare war on the US? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142740) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 2:54 PM Author: Laughsome ultramarine church Cold War, sure-- bring it on (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142746) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 2:55 PM Author: Frozen hateful lay that would be a wild fucking twist in the ww3 story. can't imagine they'd be that dumb. would think they'd stay "neutral" but sell oil and coffee to the axis. probably some picanha, too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50142751) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 10:35 PM Author: federal trump supporter gas station So then just outright nuclear war? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50143453) |
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Date: September 18th, 2026 10:35 PM Author: federal trump supporter gas station Maybe like a few hundred people in the US actually want this to happen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50143451) |
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Date: September 19th, 2026 6:14 AM Author: Laughsome ultramarine church if you still believe in America's manifest destiny - it's time to lead the world or fail like Great Britain's ignominious end of empire in 1948 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50143635) |
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Date: September 19th, 2026 3:03 PM Author: federal trump supporter gas station I don't believe it in it at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50144098) |
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Date: September 19th, 2026 3:32 PM Author: Laughsome ultramarine church America as a second rate power is very much in the cards. How low can we go? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50144142) |
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Date: September 19th, 2026 6:18 AM Author: Crawly Onyx Pozpig Cuckoldry Diss is dumbest war in US history and that's saying a lot
It's the biggest strategic blunder in US history, Trump shld be forced to live in India for this |
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Date: September 19th, 2026 1:55 PM Author: Gay sick dilemma Trump should nuke india to make up for the Iran war tbh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50143980) |
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Date: September 19th, 2026 3:07 PM Author: pearl 180 windowlicker We are supposed to handle these kinds of “threats” with CIA/black ops afaik. What is the point of a public unofficial war that half the population doesn’t “support” and even more can’t even begin to understand. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50144109) |
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Date: September 19th, 2026 3:54 PM Author: iridescent boyish hall Yeah and these types of wars just suck, if you don’t have the balls for Total War and can’t find an army to engage in an open field like it’s the 1800s then just stfu, maybe do black ops but that’s it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50144166) |
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Date: September 19th, 2026 8:44 PM Author: pearl 180 windowlicker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50144526) |
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Date: September 20th, 2026 12:06 PM Author: Abusive vigorous whorehouse If nukes your concern then we should invade Israel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50145230) |
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Date: September 20th, 2026 1:34 PM Author: Opaque center 🚨 this is a WLMAS account 🚨
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Date: September 20th, 2026 12:07 PM Author: Violet Range Yarmulke Oh I get it, you're larping as that Jewish guy from Birmingham. No way you are this misguided, TheImmigrant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5904849&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5304212#50145233) |