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Vivacious obsidian pozpig hall
  09/30/24
vae victis
Sepia temple juggernaut
  09/30/24
OK I'll bite (hi TBF!). The best argument Israel has is t...
Apoplectic Walnut Dingle Berry Shrine
  09/30/24
lol. now give me the best counter to this
Vivacious obsidian pozpig hall
  09/30/24
Counter from what angle? The world hates Israel and both ...
Apoplectic Walnut Dingle Berry Shrine
  09/30/24
so who's right
Vivacious obsidian pozpig hall
  09/30/24
from America's interests? No one. Withdraw from the region...
Apoplectic Walnut Dingle Berry Shrine
  09/30/24
...
mewling useless stage dopamine
  09/30/24
you're a strange dude
Vivacious obsidian pozpig hall
  09/30/24
mom is that you?
Apoplectic Walnut Dingle Berry Shrine
  09/30/24
wow
Cordovan passionate range
  09/30/24
Uhh da goyim bad and we need mo money fo dem programs
plum glittery center sweet tailpipe
  09/30/24
goyim are subhuman they are worth less than my rabbi's toen...
bat shit crazy state gunner
  09/30/24
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ruddy partner brunch
  09/30/24
*continues begging goyim for money* Why?
plum glittery center sweet tailpipe
  09/30/24
lol at this ridiculous fantasy. you've been run out of count...
wine diverse dragon
  09/30/24
israel is surrounded by people that hate them. just like a c...
emerald slippery karate
  09/30/24
who exactly is the "rightful owner" of tel aviv?
motley overrated laser beams
  09/30/24
...
Apoplectic Walnut Dingle Berry Shrine
  09/30/24
it's fun to do bad things
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  09/30/24
I suspect its one of these https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/i...
Opaque 180 gaping institution
  09/30/24
Why do we even care? Imo we’re just piling on because ...
Citrine chad
  09/30/24
Every nation state should act in the long term best interest...
Glassy kitchen
  09/30/24
they aren't simply repelling a threat on their border. this ...
wine diverse dragon
  09/30/24


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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:57 PM
Author: Vivacious obsidian pozpig hall

go

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603899&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48147034)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:57 PM
Author: Sepia temple juggernaut

vae victis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603899&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48147041)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:04 PM
Author: Apoplectic Walnut Dingle Berry Shrine

OK I'll bite (hi TBF!).

The best argument Israel has is this:

It's citizens can't live in the north because of endless rocket fire and threats of a 10/7-style Hezbollah invasion via endless cross-border tunnels; they've been evacuated for over a year now (or more?). It is the primary responsibility of a nation state to defend it's citizens and borders even at the expense of others; that's what Israel is doing here, to effectuate the return of their citizens to their homes. That means the rocket fire has to end and the threat of invasion has to end.

Indeed, it is also Israel's responsibility to value the lives of it's soldiers to the extent that it can. Engaging in another 2006-style drawn out war with lots of casualties and an inconclusive ending is not in furtherance of that objective. Additionally, Israel's targets were relatively surgical: it attacked Hezbollah members specifically who had beepers and it took out the top Hezbollah leadership, ensuring that IDF action would be much more effective.

Indeed, Iran's strategy was perhaps a slow-moving one to make people flee Israel of people and investment over time, a slow grind-down. Israel's strategy pre-empts that strategy and puts Iran wholly on the defensive.

If white countries acted this way to protect white interests - which has historically been what countries did before this globohomo blown out mental nightmare, see Hitler's defense of Germans living in the Polish corridor as an example (https://thegoodcitizen.live/p/for-no-reason-at-all ) - then whites would have reason to be quite proud of their government.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603899&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48147063)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:04 PM
Author: Vivacious obsidian pozpig hall

lol. now give me the best counter to this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603899&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48147066)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:10 PM
Author: Apoplectic Walnut Dingle Berry Shrine

Counter from what angle?

The world hates Israel and both its response to 10/7 and perhaps it's response to Hezbollah de-legitimzes it and makes the world hate it more. The Holocaust defense is out the door due to the 10/7 response, which is a big card to lose. Tactical or strategic victories are no means guarantees of ultimate victories.

But also, it seems clear that there is a significant contingent within Israel that ultimately seeks Greater Israel borders: https://wpassets.adda247.com/wp-content/uploads/multisite/sites/5/2023/10/23104210/Greater-Israel-Map-01.png

Unlike Iran, which has a sub-replacement fertility rate (1.8), the Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox fertility rate in Israel is enormous, like 5+. A country only feels the need to expand when it has massive fertility rates, not sub-replacement fertility rates. So who's to say Israel is the defensive party here and not the Palestinians or Hezbollah? Israel has been far more aggressive targeting Hezbollah, Syrian and Iranian assets than the other way around, which is mostly toothless threats for internal consumption. Israel is behaving like a rabid dog surrounded by a much chiller but much more giant billion-strong Muslim population. It's unstable.

Of course, the idea that the IDF, which has such pinpoint data on Hezbollah assets, didn't know about Hamas massing on the border for 10/7 is a total joke. Netanyahu knew, the IDF top brass knew, and they let it happen as it gave them a reason to level Gaza for oil/gas pipelines, a new canal route, and for Jared Kushner's Gaza beach highrises - disgusting.

Furthermore, the obviousness of Israel's total reliance on the U.S. is even clearer than ever, as is AIPAC's strangehold over congress, Epstein's blackmail ring, etc. The masses in America are not happy about this even with the endless propaganda. Perhaps pride comes before the fall...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603899&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48147092)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:12 PM
Author: Vivacious obsidian pozpig hall

so who's right

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603899&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48147102)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:14 PM
Author: Apoplectic Walnut Dingle Berry Shrine

from America's interests? No one. Withdraw from the region, stop all foreign aid and let the desert sand people kill each other like they've done for the past thousands of years. The U.S. is an autarky and doesn't need middle eastern oil (well, it needs the alliance with Saudi for the petrodollar system, but I oppose that too)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603899&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48147109)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:43 PM
Author: mewling useless stage dopamine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603899&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48147193)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:43 PM
Author: Vivacious obsidian pozpig hall

you're a strange dude

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603899&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48147194)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:07 PM
Author: Apoplectic Walnut Dingle Berry Shrine

mom is that you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603899&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48147272)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 10:38 PM
Author: Cordovan passionate range

wow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603899&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48148392)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:18 PM
Author: plum glittery center sweet tailpipe

Uhh da goyim bad and we need mo money fo dem programs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603899&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48147120)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:19 PM
Author: bat shit crazy state gunner

goyim are subhuman

they are worth less than my rabbi's toenail fungus

their "lives" are our playthings to do with as we please

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603899&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48147123)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:29 PM
Author: ruddy partner brunch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603899&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48147167)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:30 PM
Author: plum glittery center sweet tailpipe

*continues begging goyim for money*

Why?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603899&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48147170)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 8:59 PM
Author: wine diverse dragon

lol at this ridiculous fantasy. you've been run out of countries by goyim like rats for millenia.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603899&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48148055)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:21 PM
Author: emerald slippery karate

israel is surrounded by people that hate them. just like a cornered human, a nation might lash out erratically and brutally when they feel they must. also up until recently israel has been perceived is the good guys by everyone. when you grow up believing your cause is righteous and the entire civilized world supporting you, it must be hard be reflective on whether that's actually true. young people in israel are 3rd and 4th generation so i don't blame them for feeling like the land is "theirs."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603899&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48147136)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 9:01 PM
Author: motley overrated laser beams

who exactly is the "rightful owner" of tel aviv?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603899&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48148058)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:07 PM
Author: Apoplectic Walnut Dingle Berry Shrine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603899&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48147516)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 8:14 PM
Author: Submissive startling sex offender bbw

it's fun to do bad things

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603899&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48147905)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 8:16 PM
Author: Opaque 180 gaping institution

I suspect its one of these

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/033/666/Bronze_Medal_Meme_Banner.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603899&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48147912)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 8:39 PM
Author: Citrine chad

Why do we even care? Imo we’re just piling on because we already hate Jews and they’re hypocritical and look bad on this subject. If the Central African Republic attacked Nigeria none of us would care. If Iran and Iraq went to war nobody would care. If Kurds got genocided nobody would care. Discuss.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603899&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48147976)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 8:43 PM
Author: Glassy kitchen

Every nation state should act in the long term best interests of its citizens. I have zero problem with Israel acting to end the islamist threat on its border.

Similarly, all jews should be expelled from the US.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603899&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48147994)



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Date: September 30th, 2024 9:03 PM
Author: wine diverse dragon

they aren't simply repelling a threat on their border. this is all a pretext to take gaza and build condos. agree with your last sentence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603899&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48148065)