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The divide between the midwit managerial class and everyone else

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Christopher L. Spinelli, Esq.
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Christopher L. Spinelli, Esq.
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butt cheeks
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trickle-down elitism tp
Fratty McFratterson
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It's roughly the same strategy Michael Moore used to sell bi...
butt cheeks
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"pomodoro prole" 1800000 poast
screenman
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Dunedain cowboy
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MASE
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The Kobe Bryant School of Rotary Wing Aviation
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ran here pomodoro prole tp
the place where there is no darkness
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Peter Brady
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screenman
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this is my sister. she has a teachers "my masters"...
barnabyjones
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Do these people wear big obnoxious glasses to look smart too...
....,.,,,,..,.,..,,..,,..,,....,.,.,.
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leave mark cuban out of this
SkaddenArse
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I don't think these people exist the way that we think they ...
borders (retired)
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You clearly have never worked in a megacorp or been to a whi...
,..,,,,,,....,,,...,
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Aren’t they just trust funders and 75% female
borders (retired)
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We are talking here about people who work for a living altho...
,..,,,,,,....,,,...,
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"-status, and status striving, is virtuous above all el...
LathamTouchedMe
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Interesting thoughts, but say, aren’t you the fellow w...
(-_(-_(-_(-_-)_-)_-)_-)
  11/15/24
Haha, so true, fellow sophisticated comrade
Christopher L. Spinelli, Esq.
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You’re one of these imo
borders (retired)
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, champ
the place where there is no darkness
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Pajeert Wilders
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i work with a guy who is a perfect example of this. he brags...
Cocksucker69699
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My sister-in law, wealthy -- husband is a doctor. Sends he...
Sean South of Garryowen
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Imagine saying the opposite in wealthy suburban mom chitchat...
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but many of them would say exactly that in private
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metal whorehouse
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How are these people a threat if as you say they are not pow...
Peter Brady
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theyre dumb as shit and provide a buffer b/w legitimately ri...
Bill DaWall
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Solid work but would have been more insightful poast in 2014
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Date: November 15th, 2024 11:18 AM
Author: Christopher L. Spinelli, Esq.

Trying to squeeze out an effortpost before I have to start work stuff today so this isn't as fleshed out as it should be

Partially inspired by this post: https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634692&mc=15&forum_id=2#48340747

"the NYT business model now relies entirely on flattering the pretensions of its mass readership of midwits w/ soft degrees and low-level white collar adjacent jobs by convincing them that they are part of some vaguely defined 'college educated elite™'.

it's an aspirational lifestyle magazine. 4/5 of their columns or news reports revolve explicitly around this trope, of the 'sophisticated NYT reader' wringing her hands coming to terms with her superiority over some cartoon caricature of the unwashed 'pomodoro prole' masses."

Sometime in the last ~50 years or so, this sort of self-imagined faux-elite self-image "trickled down" from the actual idle rich upper class to the status striver monkey class. You could talk a lot about how and why this happened, but I don't have time to type that all up right now

We now have tens of millions of untalented, average people whose entire personal identity is built around them believing that they're in this 'cosmopolitan,' 'educated,' 'sophisticated' "elite class." Defined by adherence to the lib state religion and reinforced by consumption of things like reading the NYT and participation in group rituals where people take turns signaling that they buy into/understand various Party Line positions

These people will always be in conflict with both the actual elite, who are intrinsically superior by virtue of genetics, and regular people, who have to work for a living and thus have conflicting values. I think other authors have referred to these people as the "managerial class," although I think a lot of these people are in occupational professional classes too, not just imaginary middle management and bureaucratic positions

These people have essentially the worst possible value system imaginable:

-status, and status striving, is virtuous above all else, no matter how mundane or marginal

-objectivity does not matter and is not a real thing. empiricism does not matter and is not a real thing. the test of whether or not something is good & true/bad & wrong is whether or not it's the social consensus among people who have status

-to be intrinsically talented, gifted, elite is bad and evil, because it means that you have an unfair advantage vs. people who have no gifts other than the willingness to strive

-people who work honest jobs for a living are bad and evil, because they are low status

-people who are inferior, worthless, parasitical, deviant, etc are good, because they are natural allies against both the working classes and the elite, and share this class's grievances against those groups

-any sort of normal, natural, healthy homogeneity, group identity, etc other than that of this class is bad and evil, because it means that those cliqued up 'others' could be a potential rival to this class of people

It's true that leftism, which these people generally subscribe to because it's a dominant strategy in our current political paradigm, is a big problem itself that needs to be stomped out. But apart from that, this group of people, the people themselves, are a serious existential threat to civilization that did not exist in the past. Before the modern era and the obscene amount of wealth it created due to our mastery of technology, there wasn't enough extra wealth floating around to enable people who weren't actually meritorious to gain wealth and status

Even if leftism is pushed out, these people will remain an existential threat. It's possible (probable, I suspect) that this class of people will always necessarily emerge in post-Malthusian society, and there's not much you can do to quash them if you have a society with free markets, freedom of expression, etc. It may be that post-Malthusian existence itself is the problem, which I suspect it is, for a few other reasons

Anyways TL;DR is that all striver midwits should be persecuted and exterminated en masse. Happy Friday everyone

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634730&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48340982)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 12:11 PM
Author: Christopher L. Spinelli, Esq.



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Date: November 15th, 2024 12:11 PM
Author: butt cheeks (πŸ‘ Pronouns: Ausländer/Raus döp dödö döp)

cr

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Date: November 15th, 2024 12:12 PM
Author: Fratty McFratterson

trickle-down elitism tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634730&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48341410)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 12:14 PM
Author: butt cheeks (πŸ‘ Pronouns: Ausländer/Raus döp dödö döp)

It's roughly the same strategy Michael Moore used to sell billions of books: tell people that if they buy his books, they are smart and sophisticated because they "get it", unlike those dumb rubes and trash who don't "get it". It's a big warm tummy rub to aspirational midwit virtue-signallers, and he made an absolute killing out of it. The NY Times is doing roughly the same.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634730&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48341416)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 12:14 PM
Author: screenman

"pomodoro prole"

1800000 poast

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634730&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48341422)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 12:16 PM
Author: butt cheeks (πŸ‘ Pronouns: Ausländer/Raus döp dödö döp)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 12:20 PM
Author: Dunedain cowboy (πŸΎπŸ‘£)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 1:30 PM
Author: MASE



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Date: November 15th, 2024 1:44 PM
Author: The Kobe Bryant School of Rotary Wing Aviation (FAGGOTCHIPPER / Hegemon)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 5:18 PM
Author: the place where there is no darkness

ran here

pomodoro prole tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634730&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48342671)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 5:33 PM
Author: Peter Brady



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Date: November 15th, 2024 6:15 PM
Author: screenman



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Date: November 15th, 2024 12:16 PM
Author: barnabyjones

this is my sister. she has a teachers "my masters" and is now some wfh manager type who gets to boss around engineers who actually have a skill. her skill of course is emailing and delegating. she lives in an all-white neighborhood in a good school district. she voted for kamala btw...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634730&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48341432)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 12:24 PM
Author: ....,.,,,,..,.,..,,..,,..,,....,.,.,.


Do these people wear big obnoxious glasses to look smart too?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634730&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48341481)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 12:28 PM
Author: SkaddenArse

leave mark cuban out of this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634730&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48341488)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 12:33 PM
Author: borders (retired)

I don't think these people exist the way that we think they do. Like I know Starbucks NPCs with no Engineering awareness who aren't talented and don't work hard but there can only be so many of these people, and most liberal artists just wallow in ignominy. The fake job thing pans out a lot better for Women. Maybe we should just say that Women are Useful Idiots instead of imagining some "caste" consisting of "people" which implies that non-Jewish men exist in this strata of society.

There's always this idea of the imagined parasite, like on Dilbert you have the idiot pointy-haired boss managing the Engineers. But then irl every wikipedia article of every CEO will inform you that they are Engineers.

Non-profit workers are out there but they're all Women and make like $10,000 per year.

Government workers are out there, and they're working imo, but the fundamental problem is that the thing they are working on is BS

With all of that said OP perfectly encapsulated the NYT's tone and who it appeals to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634730&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48341504)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 1:13 PM
Author: ,..,,,,,,....,,,...,

You clearly have never worked in a megacorp or been to a white neighborhood in Brooklyn or interacted with NYC arts/media people. This is absolutely a class of people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634730&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48341716)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 1:46 PM
Author: borders (retired)

Aren’t they just trust funders and 75% female

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634730&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48341830)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 5:11 PM
Author: ,..,,,,,,....,,,...,

We are talking here about people who work for a living although mostly fake work with parental subsidy. Actual trustfunders are rare and a different thing. And sure there are lots of women in the category but 75% is an overstatement and in any case we are talking about a category of men that is readily observable in large numbers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634730&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48342645)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 1:21 PM
Author: LathamTouchedMe

"-status, and status striving, is virtuous above all else, no matter how mundane or marginal

-objectivity does not matter and is not a real thing. empiricism does not matter and is not a real thing. the test of whether or not something is good & true/bad & wrong is whether or not it's the social consensus among people who have status

-to be intrinsically talented, gifted, elite is bad and evil, because it means that you have an unfair advantage vs. people who have no gifts other than the willingness to strive

-people who work honest jobs for a living are bad and evil, because they are low status

-people who are inferior, worthless, parasitical, deviant, etc are good, because they are natural allies against both the working classes and the elite, and share this class's grievances against those groups

-any sort of normal, natural, healthy homogeneity, group identity, etc other than that of this class is bad and evil, because it means that those cliqued up 'others' could be a potential rival to this class of people"

lol. I don't think you guys go outside and interact with people much. The first one, to a degree sure, though I'd argue it's true of every class in the US given our consumerist culture. The rest are ridiculous caricatures. lol, dear lord the internet fucked with your brains.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634730&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48341752)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 1:28 PM
Author: (-_(-_(-_(-_-)_-)_-)_-)

Interesting thoughts, but say, aren’t you the fellow who farts come from his asshole?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634730&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48341776)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 3:13 PM
Author: Christopher L. Spinelli, Esq.

Haha, so true, fellow sophisticated comrade

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634730&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48342151)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 3:14 PM
Author: borders (retired)

You’re one of these imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634730&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48342154)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 5:27 PM
Author: the place where there is no darkness

, champ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634730&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48342701)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 6:32 PM
Author: Pajeert Wilders



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Date: November 15th, 2024 1:34 PM
Author: Cocksucker69699

i work with a guy who is a perfect example of this. he brags about buying real estate that isnt even cash positive but "will be one day." he pretends to live in a major metro and be elite, but lives in a suburb in another state. he doesnt even know the city he pretends to live in.

this manager mocked some guy on my team for being ALL IN on bitcoin. this guy was putting every cent in BITCOIN. its 180 to watch the dynamics of this play out right now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634730&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48341783)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 1:47 PM
Author: Sean South of Garryowen

My sister-in law, wealthy -- husband is a doctor.

Sends her kids to good private school and complains that her only issue is "it isn't really that diverse."

My wife, must have thought that sounded good because she said the same thing to someone in conversation about our kid's school. Didn't go over well with me.

Don't say that, you don't mean it. You think that is what you should say, but you don't mean it, because if you did we wouldn't live where we do or send our kids to the school we do. I went to a "diverse" elementary and middle school and it was... not great.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634730&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48341833)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 5:06 PM
Author: ,..,,,,,,....,,,...,

Imagine saying the opposite in wealthy suburban mom chitchat.

“Yeah we love the schools here because there aren’t very many black students.”

People would have no idea how to react.

Another thing that’s strange is that many wealthy inner suburb schools are quite diverse, in terms of many different kinds of whites, Asians, Jews, recent immigrants in the professional class, transplants from other parts of the US, old money WASPs, Catholics who made money more recently, black middle class renting to get their kids out of urban districts, and so on. They just don’t have inner-city blacks, recent working class Spanish-speaking immigrants, or poor white trash,because all are excluded by housing prices. It’s a community defined by being able to afford a lot of housing, which correlates with race, but it’s otherwise less homogenous than most other communities.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634730&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48342617)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 5:15 PM
Author: butt cheeks (πŸ‘ Pronouns: Ausländer/Raus döp dödö döp)

but many of them would say exactly that in private

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634730&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48342660)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 5:36 PM
Author: Peter Brady



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Date: November 15th, 2024 5:13 PM
Author: metal whorehouse



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Date: November 15th, 2024 5:34 PM
Author: Peter Brady

How are these people a threat if as you say they are not powerful or really part of the elite?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634730&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48342723)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 6:11 PM
Author: Bill DaWall

theyre dumb as shit and provide a buffer b/w legitimately rich people and people who know they arent rich

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634730&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48342822)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 5:47 PM
Author: average/ordinary/typical citizen/person

Solid work but would have been more insightful poast in 2014

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634730&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48342755)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 5:57 PM
Author: Bill DaWall

started reading it and ran here. this shit was a decade ago. theyre too late.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634730&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48342792)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 6:15 PM
Author: Brussels Sprout: Brussels,Helsinki,Stockholm,Kyiv


the critical mass of the American intelligentsia must be organized and mobilized to resist tyranny and preserve Democracy -- the resistance is born

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634730&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48342833)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 6:17 PM
Author: HHS Assistant Secretary Caitlyn Jenner

Almost everyone here but EPAH/CSLG/RSF are just the same, and even those guys are nouveau riche.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634730&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48342846)



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Date: November 15th, 2024 6:17 PM
Author: AutoAdmit Historian

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