What trait keeps Elon winning against these ridiculous odds?
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Date: November 17th, 2024 5:06 PM
Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,:::,.,;.,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.
Take the Twitter/X thing. This is 2022 remember, "woke" is still pretty strong at this point. Musk lets people like Alex Jones and Nick Fuentes back on Twitter. He loses the advertisers. There's nothing in America's public discourse that would say "there is a way to have Alex Jones and Nick Fuentes on your platform and still have major corporate backers." Musk seems dun here. So he goes out and campaigns for a presidential candidate, his guy wins, he gains a reputation as a shadow emperor, and boom, the advertisers start coming back.
As far as I can tell this has no precedent in American business or political history. Steve Jobs' Apple turnaround probably had similarly low "odds," but it took much longer to play out and did not involve Jobs stepping outside of his circle of competence. Elon takes one stab at politics, pretty much wins the whole sphere overnight and rescues one of his companies from bankruptcy in the process. And this is after Tesla overcame various logistical barriers to EVs becoming an accepted reality.
Dude's either a genius or has had the best streak of luck in human history.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349543) |
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Date: November 17th, 2024 5:16 PM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded)
To be fair,
"Dude's either a genius or"
Well there's no way it can be this first one, I mean, for years now a whole army of extremely intelligent and very successful/educated Jewish XO Pumos (all of whom voluntarily choose to be anonymous wagecucks rather than famous and influential billionaires because they just like living that sort of life AFAIK) have assured me that Musk is actually a midwit retard, and trust me, they know these things and they wouldn't lie about that!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349566) |
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Date: November 17th, 2024 5:13 PM
Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,:::,.,;.,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.
He's getting closer to it per this story
https://www.adweek.com/media/advertisers-returning-to-x/
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349555) |
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Date: November 17th, 2024 7:25 PM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded)
To be fair,
Lol you're such an insanely bitter little nitpicky faggot, it's absurd.
"Ackkkkshually, Elon HASN'T technically won, here are 20 reasons why not!"
LJL kike it's over
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349863) |
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Date: November 17th, 2024 5:14 PM
Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,:::,.,;.,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.
My personal Musk analogy of choice is Crassus because he had the businessman -> shadow emperor thing going on, but OTOH he didn't have the genius thing going on so maybe your analogy is better.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349561) |
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Date: November 17th, 2024 6:39 PM
Author: ,,,,.....,,,,...,........,,,.....,,...,...
He's much closer to Rockefeller family than anything else
Including the crook dad
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349755) |
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Date: November 17th, 2024 5:15 PM
Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:,.,.,:::,.,;.,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.
yeah but he faced similarly low odds with Tesla and SpaceX
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349563) |
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Date: November 17th, 2024 5:19 PM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded)
To be fair,
Lol brother no offense but you sound like a fucking delusional retard ITT.
"All he did was manage that massive tech company for years and oversee its tremendous success in a highly challenging technical field, he didn't personally design the rockets or whatever what's the big deal?"
Oh wow, yeah, that's "all he did," easy peasy what's the big deal? I mean I could totally do that, too, if only I wanted, but I don't want to do that so instead I choose to be a faggot who doesn't do stuff like that, but it's a choice, OK?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349576) |
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Date: November 17th, 2024 5:29 PM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded)
To be fair,
I mean OK if your argument is only that Tesla is the more impressive achievement, fine I wouldn't disagree. Van Gogh also didn't have the technical drafting skills of da Vinci.
But LJL at any minimization of the impressiveness of what Musk has also accomplished as SpaceX, that's like saying "Van Gogh was no da Vinci, so meh who cares it's whatever I mean a lot of people can make pretty pictures."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349606) |
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Date: November 17th, 2024 6:33 PM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded)
To be fair,
Yeah Bezos was just about to get there, coinflip really Elon shouldn't get much credit for that one it's basically luck of the draw.
*farts cum, buttplug comes shooting out like a missile*
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349744) |
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Date: November 17th, 2024 6:37 PM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded)
To be fair,
I have been greedily sucking Elon's massive hog for like a decade now (since way before it was "cool" on the right), and the passage of time has only proven me more and more prescient. If anything, my only regret is that I should have worked the balls even more lovingly with my tongue along the way, it's the least I could have done and I will try to rectify that going forward.
PS: Tesla will literally be a $10+ trillion dollar company within the next 20 years, and in a lot of ways Elon -- who will end up going down in history books as THE most consequential and technologically/socially/culturally important figure of our time -- is still only just getting started.
Feel free to laugh at me for saying that just like my many doubters and haters have been laughing at me for years now, just make sure you bookmark this thread so you can bump in 2035 to remind everyone what a fool I was. ;)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349753) |
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Date: November 17th, 2024 6:41 PM
Author: ,,,,.....,,,,...,........,,,.....,,...,...
As I have shouted many times I dumped $100k at Tesla when it was $150. Now I am AT LEAST +120k because of my lord and master elon
He has helped me become a millionaire
I will lick his balls until the end of time
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349759) |
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Date: November 17th, 2024 7:11 PM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded)
To be fair,
Just remember that it's 2024 and I am calling that he's JUST getting started. Money machine has barely turned on at this point, wait two weeks for it to really start going brrrrrrrrrr.
(Libs in 2030: "WTF TESLA ISN'T A CAR COMPANY, IT'S ACTUALLY A SOFTWARE COMPANY!" Me, smirking as I adjust one of my many platintum and diamond-encrusted buttplugs and pull my silk diaper back up: "Welcome to what I've been saying for literally 15 years, faggots.")
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349833) |
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Date: November 17th, 2024 7:20 PM
Author: ,,,,.....,,,,...,........,,,.....,,...,...
Never selling those friend, I will ride with Elon until the bitter end. He's made it possible for me to fucking pay off my mortgage.
Plan on exiting $SOXL @ $40 (whenever it gets there...) and $TQQQ @ $90. But I've leveled off from where I was and bought underlyings instead
At this price point, recommend $PFE and $FRO now (regardless of fake covid shit, pfizer is still king)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349849) |
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Date: November 18th, 2024 2:44 AM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded)
To be fair,
MFCR, my old friend. This guy Elon's.
Lots of Jewish Liberal Geniuses who don't actually know jack shit about this topic yet consider themselves to be something of the scholar like to go around sneering and saying things like "Lol of course Elon is a success he was born rich duh" without realizing that there were multiple times in its corporate history when Tesla has been on the very of bankruptcy. As recently as a decade ago, Elon was seriously considering (by necessity) selling Tesla to Google for like $10 billion. IIRC at one point he only had like 2-3 weeks of operating capital on hand.
The fact that Tesla is now considered "the obvious sure bet, why are we giving Musk so much credit for that" is complete revisionist history, in reality it was only thanks to Elon's genius + a ton of incredibly hard work (he literally spent years working 100+ hours per week and sleeping at their main factory) + a few lucky well-timed breaks that Tesla became what it is today. Under MANY other CEOs, it would have crumbled along the way.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48350971) |
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Date: November 17th, 2024 6:35 PM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded)
To be fair,
"B-b-but he was BORN RICH, he was basically destined to become the world's richest and most influential / powerful man, he shouldn't get any credit for that since he was BORN RICH!"
Lol these Jewish Lib Pumos are so fucking absurd, yeah CR this was all basically preordained, it could have just as easily happened to RSF except Elon got a little luckier hehe yeah haha
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349748) |
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Date: November 17th, 2024 6:42 PM
Author: ,,,,.....,,,,...,........,,,.....,,...,...
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349763) |
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Date: November 17th, 2024 6:34 PM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded)
To be fair,
Libs: "YOU DIDN'T MAKE THAT!"
Lol you guys really never get sick of saying stupid shit and losing, huh?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349745) |
Date: November 17th, 2024 5:17 PM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded)
To be fair,
"I have told the actual truth."
In an age built on lies, this is both the ultimate act of bravery and the ultimate flex of strength, and people around the world are increasingly sick of the gay bullshit and are desperately craving both of those things and as a result they are willing to follow anyone who consistently promises to do this and actually keeps his promises.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349570) |
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Date: November 17th, 2024 6:42 PM
Author: ,,,,.....,,,,...,........,,,.....,,...,...
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349764) |
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Date: November 17th, 2024 5:29 PM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded)
To be fair,
LOL ARI
PS: You sound increasingly nervous these days. And you should be.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349611) |
Date: November 17th, 2024 5:34 PM Author: borders (retired)
OP sounds azn. Twitter was about having a conviction and sticking to it. In "tech" every investment in a name-brand company eventually pays off anyway. Also most of his fortune is from getting meme'd on the internet, so easy come/easy go, nbd.
Backing Trump was in response to the woke mob being annoying as hell + Trump winning in the polls + the assassination attempt and Biden being weak. He doubled down when it looked like doing so would be the difference-maker.
Libs like OP always do this where they criticize One Aspect of Elon's or Trump's business career when they've done 100s of "things."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349627)
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Date: November 17th, 2024 5:53 PM Author: .,.,.,.....,
i dont know much of the story of how he first made pre-tesla money... but he made enough of it to the point he could have stopped forever, coasted, etc. Or like Zuck he could have just drilled down into the project that made the big money (paypal or whatever) and made that his life's work.
Instead it seemed like he sat back, thought about shit, and decided there are two things he wants to push forward:
1. e-cars
2. planetary exploration
This the point where I think his genius was birthed. He succeeded wildly at pushing these two goals, and so became so rich he could do anything forever and it would always be on a grand scale.
He would have probably been pretty apolitical, or at least nonpartisan and slightly lib-coded, until libs transed his kid. That was the fatal mistake for libs that sent him on his current arc
Libs made one big stumble. People generally hate fags but dont like meddling in adults bedrooms, etc. People may even bite their tongues about transvestites. But libs starting CASTRATING CHILDREN. Without this, no based-Musk, no free speech twitter, no second Trump, none of it.
If he truly changes history, and it seems he will, historians will 100% locate the root of his drive in the fact that for several ludicrous years, libs became child-castrators, and happened to do that to the child of the world's richest man, who was currently mostly on their team.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349667) |
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Date: November 17th, 2024 6:43 PM
Author: ,,,,.....,,,,...,........,,,.....,,...,...
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349767) |
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Date: November 17th, 2024 7:17 PM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded)
To be fair,
1. "Libs" (by which I mean Jews) have been pushing the sexualization and castration of little boys forever, there's nothing new or novel about this. Don't take my word for it... have you ever noticed how kikes will scream about HITLER BURNING BOOKS!!!, but they won't ever actually tell you *which books* he was burning? Odd case, do some research on that one because the answer might SURPRISE you!
2. It's amazing to think that Trump's odyssey can fundamentally be traced back to Obama publicly roasting him at a press dinner, and Elon's odyssey can fundamentally be traced back to libs fucking with the wrong man's kid. Whoops. Guess maybe kikes can't always perfectly account for "Black Swan" events that come back to brutally bite them in the ass after all, huh?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349842) |
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Date: November 17th, 2024 5:59 PM
Author: Brussels Sprout: Brussels,Helsinki,Stockholm,Kyiv
so absurd and delusional a response, only Elon or Vivek would approve
make no mistake Elon Musk is loyal to himself, first and foremost, certainly not to America or Trump, and even Trump will learn this fact sooner rather than later
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349677) |
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Date: November 17th, 2024 7:19 PM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded)
To be fair,
"Stay on point" = "Stop disagreeing with me you little fucking goy"
Lol keep going, Ari. IMO you guys have got this all squared away and it's going really well for you.
Also LJL at a kike sneering at Elon Musk for being "a rapacious immigrant!"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349847) |
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Date: November 17th, 2024 7:41 PM
Author: ,,,,.....,,,,...,........,,,.....,,...,...
um lol have you paid attention to stonk headlines in the past year?
they were certain he was gonna kerplunk TSLA
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349926) |
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Date: November 17th, 2024 6:44 PM
Author: ,,,,.....,,,,...,........,,,.....,,...,...
Have noticed that
Why doesn't he lose it
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349772) |
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Date: November 17th, 2024 7:20 PM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded)
To be fair,
Because God literally sent him to Earth with a mission.
Same with Trump, btw.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349848) |
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Date: November 17th, 2024 7:21 PM
Author: ,,,,.....,,,,...,........,,,.....,,...,...
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349851) |
Date: November 17th, 2024 7:41 PM Author: maine is 180
combination of a few different things:
1- someone else mentioned autistic energy and obsessive passion / single-mindedness in achieving goals
2- he's the richest man in the world and extreme levels of wealth make a lot of things possible
3- people don't want to say no to him because of the above
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48349930) |
Date: November 18th, 2024 12:56 AM
Author: ........,,,,,,......,.,.,.,,,,,,,,,,
I think the Trump thing is way less about Twitter and way more about self-driving cars - and perhaps to a certain extent space.
Elon probably thinks he's about 2 years away from robo taxis in Tesla, but knows if Dems are in office that's probaly 15 years.
Having Trump clear the way for him on regs like a fullback will be enormous for Tesla self driving.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48350891) |
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Date: November 18th, 2024 2:50 AM Author: To be fair (Semi-Retarded)
To be fair,
Lol you still think "Tesla" is a car company.
Protip: Within 15 years, there's a very good chance that cars won't even be the primary material product that Tesla makes money from (and no, I'm not reference software updates although they will literally print money from that shit -- I said "material product").
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48350973) |
Date: November 18th, 2024 5:11 AM Author: QueenLaBEEFah
lol at the poasters ITT who STILL think Elon was some kind of lucky guy.
This guy has been a decade ahead of literally anyone in several industries, many of which at the time he jumps into them seem unimportant but turn out to be the most important.
If you believe anyone could have made Tesla into an ev car juggernaut, why was it only him?
If you believe anyone could have made SpaceX, why only him? People tend to forget because they can see it now that he jumps into the privatization of space at a time where there was nothing, it was like sci-fi. People can see the rockets now and there’s a bit of 20/20 hindsight but back then it seemed crazy.
And now as TBF has repeatedly pointed out Tesla won’t even primarily be a car company down the road and when it dominates solar/batteries/self-driving/etc (TBF knows better than me there’s other stuff) we’ll again be saying the same thing.
Same thing with SpaceX. It already has Statlink. How valuable will a scaled satellites internet infrastructure that works anywhere be in 5 years? What about when it’s asteroid mining and pulling more platinum and gold in than the entire Earth supply and shit?
I really do think he’s actually like 50 years not 10 ahead of everyone and Tesla was his bridge to get the resources he needed to make sure SpaceX would get us to space, which would then unlock trillions of dollars of value, all of which he’ll pump into getting us on Mars permanently. This Twitter thing was just him accurately diagnosing a mind virus that threatened to bring about totalitarian control before he could get there. So he solved the problem in a few years (so far — we’ll see he’s up against powerful forces but I like his odds).
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5635920&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5307129",#48351058) |
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