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All of the same "right wing" people who bashed Vance are now singing his praises
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 9:57 AM Author: self-centered field These online dorks who spent the last 6-8 months crowing about how Vance is awful and the worst VP pick ever and "Palantir" (???) are now acting like they've thought he was awesome all along
Any of these people could have, at any time, watched a 5 minute clip of Vance talking and seen that he was obviously smart and based. People are just so insanely lazy and arrogant about things they know nothing about. It's like a Reverse Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect |
Date: October 2nd, 2024 9:59 AM Author: bright point incel These "right wingers" were libs (there are complaints to be made about his ideological past, but i'm happy with him so far) My initial predictions here on Vance were "he'll have trouble for a while but find his niche and work it" and so far this has been accurate. He's obviously intelligent and has the right sort of background to credibly rage against the Progressive elite with |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 10:00 AM Author: buff aphrodisiac school cafeteria juggernaut it was really embarrassing when people stepped to Vance. i mean, the Thiel/Palantir stuff and his Indian wife are legit criticisms, but people were like 'Trump should have picked Doug Bergum! Based!'
Vance is extremely online and follows Scott Greer and JamesKirkpatrick at Vdare/Amren. he's the best we could have asked for. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 10:01 AM Author: balding space it's a virtual certainty vance is a poaster too. every right-leaning law student had a least a passing awareness of xo at the time he went to school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5605120&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309370",#48154372) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 10:02 AM Author: buff aphrodisiac school cafeteria juggernaut assuredly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5605120&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309370",#48154377) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 11:11 AM Author: nofapping garrison pocket flask (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5605120&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309370",#48154673) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 2:50 PM Author: provocative selfie pozpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5605120&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309370",#48155800) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 10:00 AM Author: balding space no one was saying vance was "bad" because he is unintelligent or doesn't present himself well. the doubts about him were concerns he is a self-interested phony. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5605120&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309370",#48154362) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 10:01 AM Author: bright point incel Possible but too early to make that judgement imo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5605120&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309370",#48154367) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 10:03 AM Author: balding space these types of judgments are always "impossible" which is why you have to use shit like his age, how his opinions have changed, his career, etc.
i think he's more sincere than i initially gave him credit for. he's still a self-interest ladder climber. but i'd say that about any 30-something that runs for office, and maybe these types of giga-strivers will actually accomplish shit in ways elder statesman types won't. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 10:07 AM Author: umber box office he’s a shamelessly self-interested ladder climber whose core instincts align as closely with the xo ethos as anyone practically eligible for his position. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5605120&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309370",#48154392) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 10:10 AM Author: balding space yeah, i've softened on vance especially once i considered that he and i had the same "awakening" about populism and trump and we're about the same age. although that's exactly why i don't like 30 somethings in politics -- they're still learning how shit works. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5605120&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309370",#48154403) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 10:01 AM Author: umber box office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5605120&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309370",#48154370) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 10:02 AM Author: self-centered field (guy who wouldn't admit he was wrong if he told you that 2+2=5 and you gave him a calculator showing 2+2=4) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5605120&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309370",#48154374) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 10:08 AM Author: balding space (retard who thinks criticisms about his sincerity are the same as criticizing him about everything)
obama is intelligent and a great debater. he was also a complete neolib shill masquerading as a radical.
to be *effective* as a huckster you'd *have* to be intelligent and a persuasive debater. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 10:16 AM Author: self-centered field I'm not even flaming. You'd say something like, "well in a practical context when you're trying to do mental math on the fly, it's actually better to quickly approximate calculations like that instead of inefficiently spending valuable extra time to get an exact, "correct" answer"
It's fascinating that this same personality archetype exists throughout the entire intelligence spectrum. Like God can just shift the IQ slider 15 points to the right and go from spaceporn to you |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 10:21 AM Author: balding space no, it's people that are stubbornly assured that all their opinions are correct and never take an L like you that are like spaceporn.
i'm saying that my opinion on him *has* changed, i.e. that i was wrong about him before. i'm just pointing out that the reason some people didn't like vance before aren't for the reasons you're claiming, you dumb fuck. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 10:27 AM Author: self-centered field You too could have the correct opinion on things the vast majority of the time if you spent like 5 minutes of effort on learning about stuff that you don't yet know anything about. It's that easy
It's an "odd case" indeed that people like you are *always* lawyers. Never engineers or accountants. I suppose it's a good thing, because otherwise our bridges would fall down and people would get hurt and die |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 10:50 AM Author: umber box office yes, good thing an engineer has never been bullheadedly aspie. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5605120&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309370",#48154592) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 10:02 AM Author: Confused voyeur If that's what a self-interested phony debates like maybe we need more of them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5605120&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309370",#48154376) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 10:01 AM Author: Confused voyeur Vance was always this good. Most of y'all just let the media spin the narrative that he was a doofus and allowed them to lie to you for all these months without any pushback.
That's on you. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 10:11 AM Author: self-centered field Seems "odd" that so many people whose self-perceived identities are based on their opposition to the establishment narrative on things get their opinions on stuff from establishment narratives (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5605120&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309370",#48154411) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 10:14 AM Author: balding space 1/2 of trump's first admin turned out to be establishment backstabbers and at that time vance was sucking establishment cock and criticizing trump. you'd have to be credulous retard to not at least *consider* whether his awakening was sincere. it did conveniently happen at the time when maga solidified itself as the future of the GOP.
do you think lindsey graham is a sincere MAGA fan now too? |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 10:30 AM Author: bright point incel I suspect the GOP has a plan to fully co-opt it and plans to basically gentrify and smooth it out into anaerobic nullodom We saw a taste of this at the post-assassination attempt RNC |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 10:32 AM Author: autistic deer antler gas station I still don’t like him. He is bought and paid for like most all politicians. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5605120&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309370",#48154494) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 10:48 AM Author: Doobsian native We have two nations, irreconcilable, and all the hullabaloo simply ignores that.
Exhibit 1: Every typical XOer (right wing, male, etc) thought that Vance did really well last night, probably "won". He displayed calm, intelligence, and an ability to articulate rational positions in the face of hostile hostesses.
Yet Ive seen multiple "polls" this morning that the needle moved not at all, and to the extent it did, Trump voters were more likely to reconsider their vote than Harris voters.
We are looking at the same performance as libs and normies, but we are not seeing the same thing.
Exhibit 2: Every single one of the issues addressed last night was framed for women. (And if you dont like gender essentialism, you can substitute frames of "kindness", "mercy", "being nice", etc).
The titanic issue of 25 million illegal immigrants draining US resources from US citizens, who are struggling, was framed immediately as "would you tear parents away from children?"
The issue of gun violence, which is patently an issue of black males shooting guns, was framed as "school kids being safe in class".
The issue of abortion was the granddaddy issue of them all, and it goes without saying there was no hint at framing the issue about the destruction of fetuses or when life begins, etc., but was framed entirely about the suffering of girls and women who do not want to be pregnant.
Vance, for all his rhetorical skill, spent the entire night fighting within the framework of WOMEN.
Deportation? "Oh let's remove violent criminals and then use economic tools to gently encourage illegal immigrants to leave." Why could he not say, "YES, full stop. We will round up and arrest every invader and launch them out of our nation"?
No, he had to commiserate about sex trafficked kids and drug mule kids and prove his REAL goal is to be moar empathetic towards Central Americans than the libs.
In summary, Vance being skilled at rhetoric, being smart, being articulate, having firm grasp of the issues matters not a fucking whit. Libs will see what they want to see, and the entire framing of the issues will remain "how to appeal to women who, a priori, will never like you no matter what."
Its reminder 98234239463 that right wingers are fools to maintain any hope in democratic "wins". We will lose, no matter what happens, in this system. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 10:50 AM Author: buff aphrodisiac school cafeteria juggernaut VP debates never move the needle. there was no chance of that.
but even NYT ran 5 stories admitting Vance 'won.' |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 10:56 AM Author: Doobsian native sure, i agree. I didnt expect some big swing, but I do think if you zoom in on what swing did in fact happen, you will lol.
main point being, the republican candidates are trotted out in these things to showcase how convincingly they can act like second-rate democrats (oh so compassionate to guatemalan kids!) to an audience who isnt going to vote for them anyway.
its theater and the republican is given the black hat before the debate begins. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 10:58 AM Author: aggressive parlor ur not wrong, but we're not going to suddenly get a sensible government/society/media/etc. anytime soon, so what can you do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5605120&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309370",#48154619) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 11:02 AM Author: Doobsian native what can you do is ofc the million dollar question for us living in the in-between-time
only practical course I see is that you need to exercise every freedom available to you to remove women from power. hiring authority? hire men 100%. voting power? Only men. School boards, community meetings, etc? Men men men.
probably better to promote a lib "male" than a "based" female.
This is a terrible solution and completely unsatisfying. But our only course of pushing back at all against the totalitarianism of "being nice" is to use sex as a proxy and stuff the corridors of power with as many genetic males as we possibly can |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 11:06 AM Author: buff aphrodisiac school cafeteria juggernaut this is what people don't get. women have to be removed from public life. full stop. their presence alone corrupts everything into effeminacy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5605120&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309370",#48154652) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 10:54 AM Author: bearded wagecucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5605120&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309370",#48154608) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 11:03 AM Author: self-centered field I think you can distill this down even further and say that the framing and target audience for this debate was *entirely* white women (and their beta white husbands)
Notice that black people - who normally occupy like 1/3 of the discussion of any regular presidential debate, as candidates fight each other over who worships black people more - were not mentioned a single time in this debate. Not even once! (that I remember). There was not even a pretense of blacks or minorities being important or relevant or even that anybody involved in the debate cared about them at all.
All 4 people involved in the event were white (both hosts white women). Every topic and the framing of every topic was, as you describe, framed from the point of view and interests of white women. The discussion was surprisingly civil and measured, like white people normally talk with each other
Probably 95%+ of the audience who watched this debate was white. No exaggeration
Really makes you think |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 11:09 AM Author: Doobsian native cr. the veep debates, opposed to prez debates, jump up 15 or so IQ points, prioritize civility and politeness, and discard all minority concern entirely.
i remember the same with Cheney Lieberman.
And that's because its for white women. Just like NPR is for white women.
So Vance did what was best -- "I have a dear dear female friend who is watching right now, love ya!" *winks* "who had an abortion"
But the GOP will naturally be forced into being second-rate dems. Which the GOP is not, or should not be. And occasional GOP wins ('00, '04, '16) do nothing to change my mind on this. |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 1:56 PM Author: self-centered field I don't think this is true. What you're describing is the story and state of the GOP within our own lifetimes, up until this point (the Trump era)
The GOP is now forced to adopt an anti-lib platform out of necessity, because those are the only people who will vote for them. Anybody who is okay with shitlibbery is just going to vote for libs |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 3:15 PM Author: nofapping garrison pocket flask (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5605120&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309370",#48155919) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 10:52 AM Author: aggressive parlor i was cautiously optimistic about him from the beginning just based on the thiel nod. seemed like a pleasant surprise trump didn't cuck out immediately in the vain hopes that a cuck VP would finally make "moderates" love him. feeling more and more vindicated by the day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5605120&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309370",#48154597) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 11:34 AM Author: Poppy Abnormal Fat Ankles Nibblets I posted the day he was appointed VP that Vance would be the smartest and most competent GOP politician of our lifetime. I hadn't even heard him talk yet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5605120&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309370",#48154756) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 11:39 AM Author: angry big-titted chapel Vance was never that bad, just awkward as fuck
He also wasn’t that great last night. He won but it won’t move the needle. He was fine.
He’s still the big tech skin suit he always was |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 11:51 AM Author: Supple maroon pit queen of the night Admittedly I was on the Vance hate train early on, particularly when he was talking about some sort of drink bullshit awkwardly on stage laughing emotionlessly etc
I dont particularly care about the VP pick, or if hes a cutout made in a lab by Peter Thiel etc, I just want Trump
Good job on him for holding it together and I hope he gets Trump in |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 11:52 AM Author: balding space (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5605120&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309370",#48154867) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 11:53 AM Author: Violent Rebellious Gunner Coldplay Fan I've never bashed Vance and always said he was fantastic. Always thought the bashing was odd and not sure where it came from. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5605120&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309370",#48154869) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 2:51 PM Author: Excitant meetinghouse Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5605120&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309370",#48155803) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 8:34 PM Author: Soggy slippery center Vance is known around what passes for the intellectual conservative movement these days, going to certain conferences and events. Has been for more than few years now.
He's an adult convert to Catholicism, which only happens if not marrying a Catholic because you're drawn to Catholic theology, which is rigorous and serious in its discussions on ethics and morality and the great questions of mankind. Despite this, he also retains the intellectual flexibility to marry someone from a different religion and culture and not seek to impose his beliefs on her, which means he's not a dogmatic ideologue either. He also went to YLS and was a protoge of Amy Chua. And let's not forget that this kid from redneck America managed to convince a highly educated Indian Brahmin from an academic family to marry him.
I found the memes and attacks on Vance only exposed the ugliness and intolerance on both the left and right, and their failures to understand that this man has a degree of intellectual curiosity most prominent politicians rarely exhibit, certainly not Biden nor Harris, is to their loss. As for ambitions, who among us isn't ambitious? |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 9:38 PM Author: salmon histrionic cumskin Lol those Brahmins are lucky to be in this country at all (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5605120&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309370",#48157265) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2024 11:00 PM Author: Painfully honest fishy scourge upon the earth I always handwaived off the attacks on Vance - because any Republican VP candidate is going to get attacked for something. If it was Bergum it'd be the "they're only old white guys attack."
I do think Vance errored bigly by doubling down on the cat lady stuff after Jennifer Aniston spoke out. The campaign would've been much better off if he'd had contrition like he showed last night at the debate.
I also think its arguable that Trump does better with Bergum on the ticket as he placates the standard GOP base more - but I understand why Trump went with Vance because at the time it was him vs Biden and he had just been almost assassinated - so he had a huge lead and probably feared less the Dems than the deep state plotting to replace him with his VP. |