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Taking bets on the legal outcome of the ICE shooting
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Date: January 10th, 2026 5:20 PM Author: burgundy big patrolman dilemma - Ross receives executive clemency (non-prosecution or preemptive pardon). State will wait to prosecute until a lib President comes around. If Ross receives a preemptive pardon, the federal government will let Ross be prosecuted by the state. If the case is removed to federal court, the court will find that he doesn't meet the Neagle standard and deny dismissal (of course the Department of Justice will file a brief in support of the prosecution). He is convicted of murder (imperfect self defense is not a defense under Minnesota law). If no pardon, lib administration prosecutes and gets a little time for deprivation under color of law. - Good's wife sues Ross under Bivens, possibly the FTCA. Court finds there was reasonable suspicion for detention but (1) no reasonable fear given that he saw her turning away from him, and/or (2) excessive force given officer-created jeopardy (going in front of her car). Probably 1 is more likely because the lib judge will appeal-proof it by making it as dependent on factual findings as possible. - Car owners hit by Good's car sue Good's estate for negligence and the United States under the FTCA. They settle with Good's estate for PD limit and with the United States for the remainder. |
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Date: January 10th, 2026 5:23 PM Author: vibrant sooty site agree with #1 completely, don't know about the subject matter of #2, and #3 is completely retarded. those people aren't suing the dead lady in shitlib minneapolis. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49579323) |
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Date: January 10th, 2026 5:29 PM Author: burgundy big patrolman dilemma They probably won't even file in court. Though I guess they would probably just drop it if her insurance denies coverage because of felonious activity or whatever so they don't have to get the PR hit for whatever state minimum coverage she has. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49579345) |
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Date: January 10th, 2026 5:26 PM Author: Amethyst exhilarant property dumb question: does the right to remove belong to the accused? i seemed to think that someone in the Trump45 admin moved to have his GA state court case removed to federal court -- although the federal court rejected the removal. still, i thought he himself could move to remove. i may be wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49579337) |
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Date: January 10th, 2026 5:27 PM Author: burgundy big patrolman dilemma It does, sorry. I updated it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49579340) |
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Date: January 10th, 2026 5:28 PM Author: Amethyst exhilarant property cool (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49579343) |
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Date: January 10th, 2026 5:28 PM Author: Amethyst exhilarant property now that you've edited it, i will respectfully disagree about the Neagle standard. he will easily meet it and 99.5% of all federal judges will say he does. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49579342) |
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Date: January 10th, 2026 5:30 PM Author: burgundy big patrolman dilemma It's the weakest part of my bet, but I think in Minnesota it's possible. Though I guess it could be reversed on appeal, either from the remand or a conviction. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49579347) |
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Date: January 10th, 2026 5:35 PM Author: Amethyst exhilarant property i'm not sure what could be more in the scope of ICE officers than what went down. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49579359) |
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Date: January 10th, 2026 6:00 PM Author: burgundy big patrolman dilemma There is more caselaw on this than you'd think. There's a reasonability requirement. He violated ICE policy when he jumped in front of the car in the first place and then violated it again when he opened fire. I don't disagree that if he had followed procedure he would be entitled to immunity, but if he had fully followed procedure she wouldn't be dead.
I personally don't even think he had reasonable suspicion to detain in the first place, but I'd probably lose on that. |
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Date: January 10th, 2026 6:11 PM Author: Amethyst exhilarant property so it's like a mini trial on the merits? and behaving outside policy strips you of the right to remove?
i thought the "scope" turns on whether you're doing the role that your federal office envisions. so a cop doing arrests or stops or whatever is in the "scope" even if they broke some policy.
(i have no idea what i'm talking about, btw.) |
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Date: January 10th, 2026 6:19 PM Author: burgundy big patrolman dilemma You know what, the standard for removal is different then the standard for immunity, and I didn't know enough about it until today. I'm poasting far too carelessly and I apologize.
The standard for immunity is whether he's acting reasonably within the scope of his authority IIRC. Here I think his failure to abide most likely fucks up the 'reasonably' part. If ICE policy was 'kill anyone who drives in your direction' or 'kill all woman drivers' probably he would prevail.
The standard for remand is whether there's a plausible federal defense. Definitely he has a plausible federal defense, so he won't get remanded. Correcting myself again now. |
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Date: January 11th, 2026 1:40 AM Author: Aromatic Unholy Degenerate as someone who actually knows what he's talking about in this area, I can say with 100% confidence there will not be charges. Come the fuck on. Cop reasonably feared for his life and met force with equal force. A car is a deadly weapon despite you shitlibs claiming otherwise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49580232) |
Date: January 10th, 2026 5:22 PM Author: brilliant embarrassed to the bone cuck “simply refusing to remove the case to federal court”
doesn’t that right belong to the defendant? |
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Date: January 10th, 2026 5:24 PM Author: burgundy big patrolman dilemma Oh yeah, sorry, I'll fix it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49579329) |
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Date: January 10th, 2026 5:38 PM Author: Sepia mildly autistic preventive strike I'll take that bet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49579380) |
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Date: January 10th, 2026 6:01 PM Author: insane sable headpube theater stage -there will be more of these LEO shootings, DOJ is too busy drafting invasion plans for Mexico. -not until next admin some wrists are slapped and financial compensation is doled out to silence and suppress dissent. |
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Date: January 10th, 2026 6:05 PM Author: Vengeful Candlestick Maker Clown on #1, that was my thought, libs won't charge this until there's a lib president. maybe trump would give a preemptive pardon but otoh maybe he wouldn't even bother under the current thinking of no charges (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49579458) |
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Date: January 10th, 2026 6:13 PM Author: burgundy big patrolman dilemma I think if they issued a pardon, it would be during his lame duck period if they lose the next election. They don't want to bring attention to it otherwise.
I understand why libs won't charge, but if I was Hennepin DA I'd obtain a sealed indictment and arrest him in broad daylight. Doesn't matter if it sticks, I'd be a national celebrity overnight. |
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Date: January 10th, 2026 11:20 PM Author: marvelous nowag institution I think there's an argument to be made that getting the indictment forces this to remain on the national radar in the runup to the midterms. The ICE occupations are wildly unpopular nationally, and the insane victim blaming statements only make it worse. MAGA is effective at a press conference but pure shit in a court of law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49580095) |
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Date: January 10th, 2026 11:55 PM Author: burgundy big patrolman dilemma With the level of tension, I would be unsurprised if some group were to file, get assigned an ultralib Biden judge, and get a TRO prohibiting them from drawing their firearms unless fired upon or something. (I would be disappointed in them if they didn't at least get an injunction prohibiting them from confronting or retaliating against stalkers/filmers.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49580155) |
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Date: January 11th, 2026 1:42 AM Author: Aromatic Unholy Degenerate LJL state your IQ before engaging further (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49580235) |
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Date: January 11th, 2026 1:41 AM Author: Aromatic Unholy Degenerate ICE is just doing its job finally and for the first time ever. I think we need to ramp this up a bit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49580234) |
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Date: January 10th, 2026 6:33 PM Author: curious sickened ape temple The shitlib infestation of xo is unacceptable. Both dykes attempted to murder one or more federal agents.
Maybe some pussy hat wearing MN judge will try some bullshit but unless USA is in full shitlib banana republic mode by then, ICE is just going to tell them to eat shit and Ross won’t even appear. |
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Date: January 10th, 2026 11:52 PM Author: Arrogant Rigor Gaming Laptop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49580151) |
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Date: January 11th, 2026 12:37 AM Author: tantric hilarious dingle berry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49580186) |
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Date: January 11th, 2026 1:42 AM Author: Aromatic Unholy Degenerate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49580236) |
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Date: January 11th, 2026 1:50 AM Author: Arousing Stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49580240) |
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Date: January 10th, 2026 6:34 PM Author: Charismatic office nothing ever happens (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49579533) |
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Date: January 10th, 2026 6:37 PM Author: beady-eyed hall therapy #4 He moves to Idaho and gets elected to Congress. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49579542) |
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Date: January 10th, 2026 6:41 PM Author: vivacious senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49579549) |
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Date: January 10th, 2026 11:02 PM Author: burgundy big patrolman dilemma He's probably already there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49580056) |
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Date: January 11th, 2026 12:30 AM Author: apoplectic massive weed whacker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49580177) |
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Date: January 11th, 2026 1:43 AM Author: Aromatic Unholy Degenerate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49580237) |
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Date: January 10th, 2026 11:05 PM Author: Passionate opaque university every normal american is on his side (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49580062) |
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Date: January 10th, 2026 11:52 PM Author: Arrogant Rigor Gaming Laptop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49580153) |
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Date: January 11th, 2026 1:43 AM Author: Aromatic Unholy Degenerate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49580238) |
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Date: January 11th, 2026 1:50 AM Author: Arousing Stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49580241) |
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Date: January 11th, 2026 6:45 AM Author: burgundy big patrolman dilemma This is empirically false. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5820483&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5309378#49580381) |