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"Marriage" offers basically nothing for the man

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Wine really tough guy windowlicker
  12/07/25
another LOSER ASIAN whining about women!
Orange Federal Location
  01/20/26
How long you been married, gookcel ?
grizzly diverse brunch wagecucks
  01/20/26
so many threads from ASIANS complaining about women!
Orange Federal Location
  01/20/26
You can’t complain about something you never had
grizzly diverse brunch wagecucks
  01/20/26
white men dont pay for sex either dont forget!
Orange Federal Location
  01/20/26
https://youtu.be/pKQp61e94VE?si=hVdTEb0VnwG1Z3yC
Wine really tough guy windowlicker
  01/22/26
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Orange Federal Location
  01/22/26
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nyuug
  01/28/26
MFCR, the only reason to get married is to have children and...
Flesh naked forum depressive
  12/07/25
I, like dupa, have four children.
filthy ruby fortuitous meteor
  12/07/25
One for each hundred pounds you carry around!
Flesh naked forum depressive
  12/07/25
rofl. i've got one son for each 45 pounds i carry around
Shimmering Pisswyrm Multi-billionaire
  12/07/25
You should try that math equation out on yourself, bud.
filthy ruby fortuitous meteor
  12/07/25
Calm down bud we dont want you to stroke out you fat pig
Flesh naked forum depressive
  12/07/25
You can’t divide by zero, loser.
filthy ruby fortuitous meteor
  12/07/25
simmer down tons of fun
Flesh naked forum depressive
  12/07/25
You can do that just as easily with a BM The political atta...
Wine really tough guy windowlicker
  12/07/25
the childless wandering sybarite speaks truth
Stimulating maroon nursing home
  12/08/25
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Aromatic lilac idiot
  12/08/25
Edit: Sorry man, nevermind, I don't really know your whole s...
Aromatic lilac idiot
  12/11/25
"Wedlock"ed in place and easy to manipulate and ga...
Wine really tough guy windowlicker
  12/07/25
love my kids, love my wife tp
Transparent scourge upon the earth pit
  12/07/25
I make homemade pizza from scratch. Fresh mozz too. I'm maki...
Glittery Place Of Business
  12/07/25
the other half of the dough will make great fresh baked brea...
Glittery Place Of Business
  12/07/25
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charismatic pearl dopamine tank
  12/07/25
bunch of scholarship people looked at the data and found Ear...
curious hot deer antler organic girlfriend
  12/07/25
the (((data)))
arrogant point boltzmann
  12/07/25
Correlation vs causation. Women don't want to marry some sad...
sinister stubborn pozpig
  12/07/25
What about the sex my guy? You get a live-in slut that you c...
arrogant point boltzmann
  12/07/25
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flushed marketing idea
  12/07/25
That's called a girlfriend
sinister stubborn pozpig
  12/07/25
(virgin)
Painfully honest spruce karate kitchen
  12/07/25
we're talking about marriage not having an au pair
Gaped Lavender Market
  12/07/25
every single married guy i know would be better off single e...
Gaped Lavender Market
  12/07/25
add me in. i'm married w 3 sons and a wife who keeps slim an...
Shimmering Pisswyrm Multi-billionaire
  12/07/25
you are literally a pumo
Gaped Lavender Market
  12/07/25
u are the biggest fucking faggot in need of validation in ex...
Cracking spot famous landscape painting
  12/07/25
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Comical Quadroon
  12/07/25
Describe these marriages where the wife doesn't give the hus...
Motley feces half-breed
  12/07/25
they are just really attractive high status guys so their wi...
Gaped Lavender Market
  12/07/25
Are the wives waiting on these guys hand and foot? Or are t...
Motley feces half-breed
  12/08/25
my wife is introverted and hates thingdoing. she thinks i'm ...
Shimmering Pisswyrm Multi-billionaire
  12/07/25
u are the biggest fucking faggot in need of validation in ex...
Cracking spot famous landscape painting
  12/07/25
Women are great when they’re happy and you’re gi...
Vivacious mental disorder
  12/07/25
ok so don't marry some vengeful dipshit shrew ez gg
Wine really tough guy windowlicker
  12/07/25
Can you convince my brother of this before he kills self tha...
Beady-eyed ultramarine sound barrier bawdyhouse
  12/07/25
is he married to meghan markle
Wine really tough guy windowlicker
  12/07/25
He’s not married but is convinced that he wants to be ...
Beady-eyed ultramarine sound barrier bawdyhouse
  12/07/25
I enjoy my life and my kids. I get it though being single wo...
Coral stock car
  12/07/25
Tax advantages, possibly better benefits. These two are huge...
180 rusted theatre national security agency
  12/08/25
Wife who takes care of the kids Wife who cook. That&r...
Coral stock car
  12/11/25
it's for having a family which is one of the basic things of...
bearded judgmental blood rage macaca
  12/11/25
your life. good for you. your life. your values. yours. not ...
Wine really tough guy windowlicker
  12/11/25
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Painfully honest spruce karate kitchen
  12/12/25
this is a pretty Anglo post no offense
Gaped Lavender Market
  12/12/25
Read this in the James Van Der Beek "I don't want your ...
Sticky Bateful School Cafeteria Electric Furnace
  12/12/25
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racy parlor mad cow disease
  12/12/25
Suicide by inaction
crystalline sweet tailpipe range
  12/12/25
I'm saying it does offer the man something, a stable environ...
bearded judgmental blood rage macaca
  12/12/25
gay
Painfully honest spruce karate kitchen
  12/12/25
can you expand on "this white nigger "need mo fami...
coiffed carmine giraffe
  12/12/25
probably. what's in it for me
Wine really tough guy windowlicker
  01/22/26
unless youre allowed not to have a job and free ride on her ...
Big crackhouse
  01/20/26
*dies laughing* pick your dirty skin robe labia off the gro...
Wine really tough guy windowlicker
  01/22/26


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Date: December 7th, 2025 6:40 PM
Author: Wine really tough guy windowlicker



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Date: January 20th, 2026 8:00 PM
Author: Orange Federal Location

another LOSER ASIAN whining about women!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49604987)



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Date: January 20th, 2026 9:30 PM
Author: grizzly diverse brunch wagecucks

How long you been married, gookcel ?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49605143)



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Date: January 20th, 2026 9:32 PM
Author: Orange Federal Location

so many threads from ASIANS complaining about women!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49605148)



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Date: January 20th, 2026 9:39 PM
Author: grizzly diverse brunch wagecucks

You can’t complain about something you never had

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49605166)



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Date: January 20th, 2026 10:06 PM
Author: Orange Federal Location

white men dont pay for sex either dont forget!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49605228)



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Date: January 22nd, 2026 3:50 PM
Author: Wine really tough guy windowlicker

https://youtu.be/pKQp61e94VE?si=hVdTEb0VnwG1Z3yC

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49609465)



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Date: January 22nd, 2026 11:47 PM
Author: Orange Federal Location



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49610814)



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Date: January 28th, 2026 7:04 PM
Author: nyuug



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49628503)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 6:40 PM
Author: Flesh naked forum depressive

MFCR, the only reason to get married is to have children and provide a stable environment for them. Otherwise LJFL.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492138)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 6:41 PM
Author: filthy ruby fortuitous meteor

I, like dupa, have four children.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492146)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 6:42 PM
Author: Flesh naked forum depressive

One for each hundred pounds you carry around!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492150)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 6:45 PM
Author: Shimmering Pisswyrm Multi-billionaire

rofl.

i've got one son for each 45 pounds i carry around

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492157)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 7:05 PM
Author: filthy ruby fortuitous meteor

You should try that math equation out on yourself, bud.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492257)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 7:08 PM
Author: Flesh naked forum depressive

Calm down bud we dont want you to stroke out you fat pig

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492270)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 7:09 PM
Author: filthy ruby fortuitous meteor

You can’t divide by zero, loser.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492276)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 7:24 PM
Author: Flesh naked forum depressive

simmer down tons of fun

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492321)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 6:43 PM
Author: Wine really tough guy windowlicker

You can do that just as easily with a BM

The political attachments and implications relating to marriage end up making it a liability for the kids

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492151)



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Date: December 8th, 2025 5:34 AM
Author: Stimulating maroon nursing home

the childless wandering sybarite speaks truth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49493090)



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Date: December 8th, 2025 5:22 PM
Author: Aromatic lilac idiot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49494761)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 8:32 PM
Author: Aromatic lilac idiot

Edit: Sorry man, nevermind, I don't really know your whole situation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49503291)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 6:41 PM
Author: Wine really tough guy windowlicker

"Wedlock"ed in place and easy to manipulate and gather census information on by the state

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492143)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 6:47 PM
Author: Transparent scourge upon the earth pit

love my kids, love my wife tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492165)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 6:52 PM
Author: Glittery Place Of Business

I make homemade pizza from scratch. Fresh mozz too. I'm making one right now. Also the salary, the sex, and at least some emotional support. I try.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492191)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 8:17 PM
Author: Glittery Place Of Business

the other half of the dough will make great fresh baked bread tomorrow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492470)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 11:08 PM
Author: charismatic pearl dopamine tank



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492855)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 7:19 PM
Author: curious hot deer antler organic girlfriend

bunch of scholarship people looked at the data and found Earths most unhappy people were married women and single men.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492307)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 7:26 PM
Author: arrogant point boltzmann

the (((data)))

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492324)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 7:39 PM
Author: sinister stubborn pozpig

Correlation vs causation. Women don't want to marry some sad sack whereas miserable women can readily get married and they love finding some schlub to terrorize

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492362)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 7:25 PM
Author: arrogant point boltzmann

What about the sex my guy? You get a live-in slut that you can fuck whenever you want for free

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492322)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 7:34 PM
Author: flushed marketing idea



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492344)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 7:42 PM
Author: sinister stubborn pozpig

That's called a girlfriend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492369)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 7:44 PM
Author: Painfully honest spruce karate kitchen

(virgin)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492370)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 7:46 PM
Author: Gaped Lavender Market

we're talking about marriage not having an au pair

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492376)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 7:36 PM
Author: Gaped Lavender Market

every single married guy i know would be better off single except for 2 guys who are basically mega successful chads so their wives dont give them shit

every other married guy i know has a completely unenviable existence. and i say this as someone who does envy the lives of fathers who have decent home situations

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492351)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 7:56 PM
Author: Shimmering Pisswyrm Multi-billionaire

add me in. i'm married w 3 sons and a wife who keeps slim and barely spends money and makes ~200k and is a great mom.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492397)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 8:02 PM
Author: Gaped Lavender Market

you are literally a pumo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492417)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 8:17 PM
Author: Cracking spot famous landscape painting

u are the biggest fucking faggot in need of validation in existence

KILL URSELF FAGGOT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492471)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 11:15 PM
Author: Comical Quadroon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492860)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 8:03 PM
Author: Motley feces half-breed

Describe these marriages where the wife doesn't give the husband shit. Hard to comprehend.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492422)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 8:10 PM
Author: Gaped Lavender Market

they are just really attractive high status guys so their wives treat them well

basically if your wife isn't constantly 24/7 terrified that you're going to ditch her for another woman, you're done here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492459)



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Date: December 8th, 2025 6:22 AM
Author: Motley feces half-breed

Are the wives waiting on these guys hand and foot? Or are they just not nagging and harassing them? Just the latter sounds like a dream come true.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49493110)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 8:11 PM
Author: Shimmering Pisswyrm Multi-billionaire

my wife is introverted and hates thingdoing. she thinks i'm the extroverted and thingdoer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492463)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 8:17 PM
Author: Cracking spot famous landscape painting

u are the biggest fucking faggot in need of validation in existence

KILL URSELF FAGGOT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492469)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 8:00 PM
Author: Vivacious mental disorder

Women are great when they’re happy and you’re giving them a narrative that aligns with their life vision of constant progression. In other words, they’re great until you can’t give them what they want, and they always want more. Unfortunately, you’re often married to them before your luck runs out. They’re tricky like that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492411)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 8:01 PM
Author: Wine really tough guy windowlicker

ok so don't marry some vengeful dipshit shrew

ez gg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492414)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 8:03 PM
Author: Beady-eyed ultramarine sound barrier bawdyhouse

Can you convince my brother of this before he kills self thank.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492419)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 8:04 PM
Author: Wine really tough guy windowlicker

is he married to meghan markle

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492424)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 8:06 PM
Author: Beady-eyed ultramarine sound barrier bawdyhouse

He’s not married but is convinced that he wants to be and blew his chance or something. He’s late thirties and mopes around like a heartbroken teenager, it’s bad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492433)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 11:21 PM
Author: Coral stock car

I enjoy my life and my kids. I get it though being single would be 180 too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49492878)



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Date: December 8th, 2025 4:37 PM
Author: 180 rusted theatre national security agency

Tax advantages, possibly better benefits. These two are hugely beneficial to low or moderate income men

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49494647)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 3:28 PM
Author: Coral stock car

Wife who takes care of the kids

Wife who cook.

That’s pretty beneficial to me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49502608)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 8:39 PM
Author: bearded judgmental blood rage macaca

it's for having a family which is one of the basic things of life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49503299)



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Date: December 11th, 2025 9:00 PM
Author: Wine really tough guy windowlicker

your life. good for you. your life. your values. yours. not ours. not mine. there is no legitimate basis for your values to overwrite mine. for individuals, having a family is personally preferable to not having a family. that's it and that's as far as i'll agree on the matter. otherwise, in present day conditions, it's inconsequential. it's a personal decision. to be undertaken by individuals. when they want to, when they feel that they're ready, and of their own volition and agency.

this white nigger "need mo families fo my bass pro shops pyramid" shit is done. it's morally indefensible. the forces driving it boil down to two things: money and control.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49503322)



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Date: December 12th, 2025 10:19 AM
Author: Painfully honest spruce karate kitchen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49504115)



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Date: December 12th, 2025 10:21 AM
Author: Gaped Lavender Market

this is a pretty Anglo post no offense

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49504117)



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Date: December 12th, 2025 10:22 AM
Author: Sticky Bateful School Cafeteria Electric Furnace

Read this in the James Van Der Beek "I don't want your life" Varsity Blues voice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49504118)



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Date: December 12th, 2025 10:25 AM
Author: racy parlor mad cow disease



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49504121)



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Date: December 12th, 2025 10:48 AM
Author: crystalline sweet tailpipe range

Suicide by inaction

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49504154)



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Date: December 12th, 2025 10:53 AM
Author: bearded judgmental blood rage macaca

I'm saying it does offer the man something, a stable environment in which to raise a family, which is the core unit of everything since humans have lived

all that rambling doesn't change the fact that having a family is a fundamental drive, that isn't going to change

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49504165)



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Date: December 12th, 2025 11:00 AM
Author: Painfully honest spruce karate kitchen

gay

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49504186)



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Date: December 12th, 2025 11:02 AM
Author: coiffed carmine giraffe

can you expand on "this white nigger "need mo families fo my bass pro shops pyramid" shit"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5807646&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310443#49504192)



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Date: January 22nd, 2026 3:50 PM
Author: Wine really tough guy windowlicker

probably. what's in it for me

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Date: January 20th, 2026 9:35 PM
Author: Big crackhouse

unless youre allowed not to have a job and free ride on her health insurance its just a giant joke..

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Date: January 22nd, 2026 3:45 PM
Author: Wine really tough guy windowlicker

*dies laughing*

pick your dirty skin robe labia off the ground and go take your false pretenses concern trolling somewhere else, preferably to a brothel or highway overpass

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