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the whole 'golden age of television' thing is overblown
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Date: July 7th, 2024 11:48 PM Author: Pink Pisswyrm Water Buffalo yeah these 'prestige' shows are better than primetime network dramas or 22 minute sitcoms with laugh tracks; but let's not go nuts.
twin peaks the return is legit art tho |
Date: July 7th, 2024 11:51 PM Author: Diverse filthpig dingle berry not at all. the golden age of america generally was 20+ years ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552002&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310477",#47819210) |
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Date: July 7th, 2024 11:51 PM Author: titillating toaster Twin Peaks was the encore and companion piece to the last season of mad men if that even counts. This was also around when the dragon show started dropping in quality. The golden age has been over for almost a decade. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552002&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310477",#47819211) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 8:08 AM Author: Henna chapel mad-dog skullcap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552002&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310477",#47819609) |
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Date: July 9th, 2024 5:27 PM Author: lemon becky (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552002&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310477",#47825222) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 1:03 AM Author: French brilliant university queen of the night ALF has never been topped IMO. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552002&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310477",#47819309) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 1:22 AM Author: Passionate lavender round eye (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552002&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310477",#47819335) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 8:00 AM Author: flushed vivacious legend market Its A.L.F., which stands for Alien Life Form. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552002&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310477",#47819584) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 11:29 AM Author: French brilliant university queen of the night But his real name is Gordon Shumway! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552002&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310477",#47820117) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 1:06 AM Author: Lascivious Piazza Windowlicker Go back and watch like a Friends episode. It was utter garbage at a time those guys were each making over a million 1998 dollars per episode. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552002&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310477",#47819313) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 1:31 AM Author: French brilliant university queen of the night People needed Friends. They had no friends. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552002&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310477",#47819338) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 1:34 AM Author: Passionate lavender round eye “so no one told u life was gonna be this gayyyy” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552002&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310477",#47819339) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 1:39 AM Author: Onyx set Far more People have no irl friends now imo but I guess some of us have more internet friends (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552002&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310477",#47819347) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 7:24 AM Author: Henna chapel mad-dog skullcap ! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552002&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310477",#47819534) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 7:58 AM Author: trip twinkling library brethren I hate women (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552002&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310477",#47819582) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 8:00 AM Author: flushed vivacious legend market Friends was always recognized as shit by non-normies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552002&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310477",#47819588) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 7:53 AM Author: Henna chapel mad-dog skullcap ntcr
-- Sopranos -- The Wire -- Rome -- Deadwood -- Oz -- Band of Brothers -- Generation Kill -- Breaking Bad -- Mad Men -- Game of Thrones S1 & 2 -- House of Cards S1 & 2 -- True Detective S1 -- Succession
Just more high production + good writing than any other time period since movies in the 70s/80s
edit: could arguably also throw Homeland and Peaky Blinders in there |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 8:00 AM Author: balding mischievous main people All literally a generation ago. Also -- Succession was last and the shittiest on that list and basically does not belong with the rest. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552002&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310477",#47819586) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 8:08 AM Author: Henna chapel mad-dog skullcap Yeah, the golden age mostly ended in probably 2015 and anyone disputing this is probably stupid. Doesn't mean it was overblown while it lasted.
I'd argue Succession belongs but that's entirely tertiary to the larger point; even if we cut it, the rest of the list is a sufficient warrant. |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 11:16 AM Author: Pink Pisswyrm Water Buffalo high production, yes. good writing, i guess, in the sense of natural sounding dialogue and logically unfolding and well paced plot. in terms of substance, though, all pretty much just high gloss soap operas, lacking in all but the most surface level or banal “ideas” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552002&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310477",#47820073) |
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Date: July 8th, 2024 4:09 PM Author: Henna chapel mad-dog skullcap I think this criticism is varying levels of true -- mostly false -- but inasmuch as it is true of those shows, it's true of virtually all secular media in history.
Complaining that TV doesn't grapple with big ideas is a bit like asking why the radio doesn't offer STEM dissertations to listen to -- the medium is ill-suited to the task, if the shows I listed above are inadequate in your estimation. |
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Date: July 9th, 2024 5:20 PM Author: Pink Pisswyrm Water Buffalo literature is secular media. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552002&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310477",#47825196) |
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Date: July 9th, 2024 5:36 PM Author: Henna chapel mad-dog skullcap That does not bolster your point very much.
Which literature do you think has "big ideas" that the shows I listed don't? (There are a few pretty good answers to this, but I don't think Dostoyevsky or Cormac McCarthy are sufficient to dismiss these.) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 12:24 PM Author: Pink Pisswyrm Water Buffalo i think what bolsters my point is the evident vapidity of the shows you listed. it's a lower bar that a good chunk of literary fiction easily clears (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552002&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310477",#47827581) |
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Date: July 9th, 2024 5:19 PM Author: exhilarant area quadroon Good list. I would add Six Feet Under, Better Call Saul, Fargo S1 & S2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552002&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310477",#47825190) |
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Date: July 9th, 2024 5:39 PM Author: Henna chapel mad-dog skullcap Fargo is a GREAT addition, ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552002&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310477",#47825280) |
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Date: July 9th, 2024 5:40 PM Author: Pink Pisswyrm Water Buffalo these are entertaining shows. ive watched a lot of them start to finish. but lol at them being anything other than telenovas with top grade craftsmanship. character psychology is invariably shallow and low dimensional, the mechanisms of larger social milieu are probed tepidly and narrowly, if at all. these are things to unwind with on a sunday night; entertaining but in no way enriching. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552002&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310477",#47825290) |
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Date: July 9th, 2024 5:23 PM Author: multi-colored silver stage as much as Film has degraded recently it is still a more prestigious format and the best Films >>>>> best TV. I remember an interview with the Coen Bros wherein they were asked why they don't do TV and their response was "it's just not how we think about stories". TV tends to get labored and soap opera-ish, unless it's a true outsider like Lynch who basically shot The Return as a long Film. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552002&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310477",#47825205) |
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Date: July 9th, 2024 5:35 PM Author: Pink Pisswyrm Water Buffalo tv also suffers from mostly being written / directed by committee, with the composition shifting from season to season (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552002&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310477",#47825262) |
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Date: July 9th, 2024 5:38 PM Author: Henna chapel mad-dog skullcap And even without the shifting composition, the quality produced by committees is typically worse than that of a single gifted writer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552002&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310477",#47825279) |
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Date: July 10th, 2024 9:36 AM Author: multi-colored silver stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552002&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310477",#47827198) |
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Date: July 9th, 2024 5:44 PM Author: Henna chapel mad-dog skullcap Nice to see you again, GOY (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5552002&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310477",#47825302) |