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Is Christopher Nolan a top 10 director of all time? Top 20?

Definitely not IMO. Discuss. I'd even have him below Villene...
Titillating obsidian forum hairy legs
  08/07/26
no. has he ever had a legitimately good movie?
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  08/07/26
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aphrodisiac idiotic market queen of the night
  08/07/26
I loved memento as a kid although its really gimmicky in hin...
Titillating obsidian forum hairy legs
  08/07/26
all his movies are gimmicky. i actually enjoyed interstellar...
hairraiser athletic conference sanctuary
  08/07/26
Interstellar was my emperor is a clothmo moment. Thought it ...
Titillating obsidian forum hairy legs
  08/07/26
interstellar suffered from an hour in the middle of sentimen...
Cobalt dead field multi-billionaire
  08/07/26
Someone here pointed out the other day that ever since he be...
charismatic pontificating jew
  08/07/26
One of those batman movies (2nd one I think) had like 4 diff...
Titillating obsidian forum hairy legs
  08/07/26
cr they invested all that time into "two face" the...
hairraiser athletic conference sanctuary
  08/07/26
No, katie holmes (8.5/10) was the prosecutrix love interest ...
Brindle Bossy Newt Address
  08/07/26
The rumor is that Tom Cruise wouldn't allow her to do a seco...
Cobalt dead field multi-billionaire
  08/07/26
Pulling a bait-and-switch on a multi-film franchise that rel...
Brindle Bossy Newt Address
  08/08/26
3rd movie (by far the absolute dogshittiest) ended with Batm...
charismatic pontificating jew
  08/07/26
it was a really awkward, disjointed combination of nuclear b...
hairraiser athletic conference sanctuary
  08/07/26
Much like ur typical xo meet up
carmine bonkers kitty cat toilet seat
  08/07/26
Interstellar was produced by the same woman who made Contact...
aphrodisiac idiotic market queen of the night
  08/07/26
Between like 10 and 15 imo
lascivious quadroon
  08/07/26
Tempted to do a Deep Dive on this
Titillating obsidian forum hairy legs
  08/07/26
You should imo before cowgod jumps in and derails it
lascivious quadroon
  08/07/26
I feel like ill have to highly rate Ingmar Bergman and Kuros...
Titillating obsidian forum hairy legs
  08/07/26
The guy sucks ass and has nothing to say. He hides his medi...
aphrodisiac idiotic market queen of the night
  08/07/26
This is a really fair assessment im coming around to. Althou...
Titillating obsidian forum hairy legs
  08/07/26
...
aphrodisiac idiotic market queen of the night
  08/07/26
The sound in Odyssey IMAX was too loud for me it was sensory...
lascivious quadroon
  08/07/26
I find that kinda music very autistic its a lot of nordics a...
Titillating obsidian forum hairy legs
  08/07/26
He’s good but he’s no Michael Bay
silver private investor chad
  08/07/26
michael bay made the rock and armageddon that alone puts him...
hairraiser athletic conference sanctuary
  08/07/26
...
aphrodisiac idiotic market queen of the night
  08/07/26
You know who is underrated? Tony Gilroy Michael Clayton i...
Titillating obsidian forum hairy legs
  08/07/26
Michael Clayton is 180 Spielberg apparently passed on the...
Cobalt dead field multi-billionaire
  08/07/26
He's a super nice dude from what I hear and is actually the ...
Titillating obsidian forum hairy legs
  08/07/26
Dunkirk matters imo
Cobalt dead field multi-billionaire
  08/07/26
Dunkirk was debunked antisemitic trope imo
violent navy ape pit
  08/07/26
I see him as the contemporary equivalent of Spielberg - tech...
Big Opaque Dragon
  08/07/26
He is way below villeneuve
seedy degenerate feces
  08/07/26
I watched The Lost Boys the other day and realized it is far...
Mustard rigor plaza
  08/07/26
Good question, because he’s most like Spielberg. One ...
violent navy ape pit
  08/07/26
IMO: 1. Rajkumar Hirani 2. Neeraj Pandey 3. Shoojit Sir...
autistic magical resort
  08/07/26
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Titillating obsidian forum hairy legs
  08/07/26
Do you value a director that makes well made movies that peo...
supple son of senegal
  08/07/26
No I like movies that are beautiful and kino and tell a good...
Titillating obsidian forum hairy legs
  08/07/26
Nolan is maybe Top 40. Very good at constructing sealed epis...
grizzly cuck hall
  08/07/26
How do you attack me for being Liberal yet include Lars van ...
Big Opaque Dragon
  08/07/26
I've been Breaking the Waves threading since before you were...
grizzly cuck hall
  08/07/26
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4771211&mc=6...
grizzly cuck hall
  08/07/26
How many dicks are in your ass right now?
a New York Times analysis of Reddit posts
  08/11/26
he's not, and his best film is in fact tenet
Arousing Pearl Prole Principal's Office
  08/07/26
(MCU fan)
grizzly cuck hall
  08/07/26
no, but explain
Arousing Pearl Prole Principal's Office
  08/07/26
eschewing the dark knight idk
grizzly cuck hall
  08/07/26
Lmao
lascivious quadroon
  08/07/26
No
lemon mediation
  08/07/26
definitely not top 10 even for a non-filmmo maybe top 20 ...
shitlaw boss vibecoding productivity tracker
  08/11/26
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hex
  08/11/26
Scorsese Hitchcock Coppola Kubrick Lang Wilder Bergman...
lfo
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Date: August 7th, 2026 1:32 PM
Author: Titillating obsidian forum hairy legs

Definitely not IMO. Discuss. I'd even have him below Villeneueve, who has his own flaws

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051653)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 1:33 PM
Author: hairraiser athletic conference sanctuary

no. has he ever had a legitimately good movie?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051655)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 1:35 PM
Author: aphrodisiac idiotic market queen of the night



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051664)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 1:37 PM
Author: Titillating obsidian forum hairy legs

I loved memento as a kid although its really gimmicky in hindsight and I loved inception, I saw it in college with a azn girl. The batman movies were gay and he has yet to make a film that conveys any human emotion

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051667)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 1:39 PM
Author: hairraiser athletic conference sanctuary

all his movies are gimmicky. i actually enjoyed interstellar but all the space-sorcery and magic was ridiculous and having people claim the "science" checked out and made it insufferable. i agree the batman movies were gay. the prestige was kind of enjoyable because of the acting but at the end just more magic and sorcery. all of his movies have stupid deus ex machina shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051677)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 1:42 PM
Author: Titillating obsidian forum hairy legs

Interstellar was my emperor is a clothmo moment. Thought it reeked and I was a big Nolan fan before. He was "my guy"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051694)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 1:42 PM
Author: Cobalt dead field multi-billionaire

interstellar suffered from an hour in the middle of sentimental bull shit.

One of the few films isat through even though I rolled my eyes and checked my phone every 2 minutes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051697)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 1:46 PM
Author: charismatic pontificating jew

Someone here pointed out the other day that ever since he became a big deal, his movies have really suffered from bloat and shitty writing because nobody is able to tell him "this needs another 20 drafts"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051714)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 1:52 PM
Author: Titillating obsidian forum hairy legs

One of those batman movies (2nd one I think) had like 4 different endings, it went on forever

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051741)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 1:54 PM
Author: hairraiser athletic conference sanctuary

cr they invested all that time into "two face" the lawyer and tom cruise's ex wife and it went nowhere.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051751)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 3:05 PM
Author: Brindle Bossy Newt Address

No, katie holmes (8.5/10) was the prosecutrix love interest in Batman Begins, and nolan tried to ludicrously replace her with maggie gyllenhaal (5.5/10) in The Dark Knight and say nothing as if no one would notice.

This should have been an early indicator that nolan views female characters as totally modular / "I have been told the Academy wants at least 2 women; here is my completed script with zero women; jon please go through and insert 2 girl characters."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051939)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 6:40 PM
Author: Cobalt dead field multi-billionaire

The rumor is that Tom Cruise wouldn't allow her to do a second

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50052223)



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Date: August 8th, 2026 6:59 PM
Author: Brindle Bossy Newt Address

Pulling a bait-and-switch on a multi-film franchise that relied on you is never a good career move. She could be a nolan regular instead of us having to look at anne hathaway.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50054123)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 2:27 PM
Author: charismatic pontificating jew

3rd movie (by far the absolute dogshittiest) ended with Batman saving Gotham by getting the nuclear bomb a few hundred yards away from the city so it detonated over the water. This was a 4 MEGATON device (= ~250+ Hiroshima bombs) ... It would have instantly vaporized everything within a couple miles and killed everyone in the city.

That's aside from the absolutely atrocious Occupy Wall Street references throughout. And the fact that Bane's BIG REVEAL was a crumpled piece of paper showing two face was bad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051829)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 3:01 PM
Author: hairraiser athletic conference sanctuary

it was a really awkward, disjointed combination of nuclear bombs, navy seals, and fistfights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051928)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 9:29 PM
Author: carmine bonkers kitty cat toilet seat

Much like ur typical xo meet up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50052549)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 1:46 PM
Author: aphrodisiac idiotic market queen of the night

Interstellar was produced by the same woman who made Contact, which is a superior film imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051712)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 1:34 PM
Author: lascivious quadroon

Between like 10 and 15 imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051661)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 1:35 PM
Author: Titillating obsidian forum hairy legs

Tempted to do a Deep Dive on this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051663)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 1:37 PM
Author: lascivious quadroon

You should imo before cowgod jumps in and derails it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051669)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 1:40 PM
Author: Titillating obsidian forum hairy legs

I feel like ill have to highly rate Ingmar Bergman and Kurosawa and Fellini even though I haven't watched much of their films its just what people seem to do online

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051680)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 1:36 PM
Author: aphrodisiac idiotic market queen of the night

The guy sucks ass and has nothing to say. He hides his mediocrity behind endless time cuts back and forth and extremely loud blaring music to confuse the audience, and shitty monochrome dark cinematography

Guy sucks and so does anyone who likes him

This is also why Jews like him and promote him and why he’s successful - because he has nothing to say

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051666)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 1:38 PM
Author: Titillating obsidian forum hairy legs

This is a really fair assessment im coming around to. Although I love the blaring music for some reason it really satisfies my goy brain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051671)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 1:39 PM
Author: aphrodisiac idiotic market queen of the night



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051676)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 1:45 PM
Author: lascivious quadroon

The sound in Odyssey IMAX was too loud for me it was sensory overload and made me physiologically uncomfortable that's probably because I have autism though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051710)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 1:51 PM
Author: Titillating obsidian forum hairy legs

I find that kinda music very autistic its a lot of nordics and germans making it. I think nolan has the tism

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051737)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 1:39 PM
Author: silver private investor chad

He’s good but he’s no Michael Bay

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051675)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 1:40 PM
Author: hairraiser athletic conference sanctuary

michael bay made the rock and armageddon that alone puts him above nolan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051682)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 1:42 PM
Author: aphrodisiac idiotic market queen of the night



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051700)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 1:41 PM
Author: Titillating obsidian forum hairy legs

You know who is underrated? Tony Gilroy

Michael Clayton is a masterpiece

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051689)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 1:45 PM
Author: Cobalt dead field multi-billionaire

Michael Clayton is 180

Spielberg apparently passed on the script because he was too stupid to understand the chronology

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051709)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 1:48 PM
Author: Titillating obsidian forum hairy legs

He's a super nice dude from what I hear and is actually the reason a family member got a start in the business, and one of my neighbors worked with him too (but he's a liberal) but he hasn't made a good film in like 25 years? And his latest was one of the worst I have ever seen in my life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051726)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 1:43 PM
Author: Cobalt dead field multi-billionaire

Dunkirk matters imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051704)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 6:00 PM
Author: violent navy ape pit

Dunkirk was debunked antisemitic trope imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50052191)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 2:30 PM
Author: Big Opaque Dragon

I see him as the contemporary equivalent of Spielberg - technically competent crowd pleaser.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051833)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 2:30 PM
Author: seedy degenerate feces

He is way below villeneuve

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051834)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 3:00 PM
Author: Mustard rigor plaza

I watched The Lost Boys the other day and realized it is far better than anything Nolan has ever done. and schumacher is far from a top 20 talent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50051923)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 5:59 PM
Author: violent navy ape pit

Good question, because he’s most like Spielberg. One of the greatest filmmaker/storytellers of all time and even an auteur in his own way. But I would really struggle to say he’s anywhere near Kurosawa or Kubrick.

He’s kind of like De Palma but less gritty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50052188)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 6:04 PM
Author: autistic magical resort

IMO:

1. Rajkumar Hirani

2. Neeraj Pandey

3. Shoojit Sircar

4. Sanjay Leela Bhansali

5. Yash Chopra

6. Anurag Kashyap

7. Vishal Bhardwaj

8. Nagesh Kukunoor

9. Sriram Raghavan

10. Rakeysh Omprakash Mehra

Nolan is maybe in the top 15 but you still have guys like Ashutosh Gowariker, Nitesh Tiwari and Dibakara Banerjee in the mix so hard to say.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50052196)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 6:40 PM
Author: Titillating obsidian forum hairy legs



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50052222)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 8:08 PM
Author: supple son of senegal

Do you value a director that makes well made movies that people like? If so, he's probably top 5 all time at this point.

Do you value art for the sake of being art, where you go "Actually The Godfather sucks have you seen this mob movie by this Peruvian director about a lesbian clown - that's real mobster story telling."

There's no director since Spielberg who has his resume.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50052381)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 8:23 PM
Author: Titillating obsidian forum hairy legs

No I like movies that are beautiful and kino and tell a good story

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50052396)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 8:19 PM
Author: grizzly cuck hall

Nolan is maybe Top 40. Very good at constructing sealed epistemological systems. Less good when a Human enters one. He mistakes epistemology for metaphysics sometimes imo. He can’t crack T20 if duration, negative space, montage, phenomenology, or transcendence are allowed in the room.

My T20 imho:

Bresson

Dreyer

Ozu

Mizoguchi

Kurosawa

Tarkovsky

Kiarostami

Hou Hsiao-hsien

Tsai Ming-liang

Chantal Akerman

Raúl Ruiz

Lars von Trier

Fassbinder

Buñuel

Godard

Sergio Leone

Tony Scott

Kubrick

Welles

Hideo Kojima

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50052391)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 10:53 PM
Author: Big Opaque Dragon

How do you attack me for being Liberal yet include Lars van Trier in the Pantheon. You’re all over the place you weeb.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50052728)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 10:58 PM
Author: grizzly cuck hall

I've been Breaking the Waves threading since before you were NW7

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50052733)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 10:59 PM
Author: grizzly cuck hall

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4771211&mc=6&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50052736)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 9:22 AM
Author: a New York Times analysis of Reddit posts

How many dicks are in your ass right now?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50060395)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 8:31 PM
Author: Arousing Pearl Prole Principal's Office

he's not, and his best film is in fact tenet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50052405)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 8:34 PM
Author: grizzly cuck hall

(MCU fan)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50052410)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 10:40 PM
Author: Arousing Pearl Prole Principal's Office

no, but explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50052698)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 11:00 PM
Author: grizzly cuck hall

eschewing the dark knight idk

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50052740)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 9:01 PM
Author: lascivious quadroon

Lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50052471)



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Date: August 7th, 2026 9:12 PM
Author: lemon mediation

No

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50052508)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 9:32 AM
Author: shitlaw boss vibecoding productivity tracker (🧐)

definitely not top 10 even for a non-filmmo

maybe top 20

neckbeard xo pushback against his movies is also retarded. he made some good fun movies that were great to watch in theaters. and at this point he's pretty much the last man standing of the spielberg tradition like others have pointed out. you can smell the fedoras ITT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50060403)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 9:42 AM
Author: hex



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50060418)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 9:45 AM
Author: lfo

Scorsese

Hitchcock

Coppola

Kubrick

Lang

Wilder

Bergman

Ford

Lumet

Kiarostami

That's 10, and he's not cracking it.

I'm open to Wong Kar-Wai, John Huston, Orson Welles

He's in tier with Spielberg, Woody Allen, Peter Jackson, Clint Eastwood, so maybe top 20.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890406&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#50060423)