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Famous YouTuber arrested in Franklin, TN for sales tax evasion
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Date: December 1st, 2025 2:47 PM Author: Cruel-hearted principal's office https://youtu.be/qtXezah2Bcc
XO may have already covered this. This dood bought a Ferrari under some sort of tax haven shell corp in Montana and never paid the sales tax to Williamson County.
His complaint is that they never sent him a letter saying it was owed. He also complains that he pays a lot of taxes already so this surcharge is ridiculous. The car was also destroyed in Texas somehow. But it's heavily implied that the car did spend considerable time in Tennessee.
He's also 'in the process' of purchasing property in Montana and therefore should be exempted. Also mentions having a Russian fiancée who lives in Dubai wtf.
This is all so crazy but it seems like he almost certainly bought a $400,000 car in Montana, drove it to Tennessee, and owes $30k in taxes. Instead of sending him a letter they just arrested him. Sounds like he's guilty and just pissed that his tax avoidance scheme didn't pan out. |
Date: December 1st, 2025 2:52 PM Author: Big-titted boyish gaming laptop voyeur Seems ridiculous they got a prosecutor to sign off on a warrant for his arrest for owing taxes. and without even letting him know about it first. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49474730) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 2:54 PM Author: Cruel-hearted principal's office He bought a car out of state, drove it to Tennessee, and paid no sales tax on it. He owed a 5 figure sum. He knew he owed this money.
Did he actually believe some bullshit he read on the internet about how you don't have to pay any sales tax if you buy a car in Montana? "I didn't know" is a pathetic excuse. He should have known.
State doesn't have to baby him. He should have known and he believed his own bullshit. He should pay up. He's a scumbag. |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 2:58 PM Author: Big-titted boyish gaming laptop voyeur Then the state's treasury dept should sue him civilly.
Tons of people don't pay what they owe. Tons of people aren't going to pay their electricity bills this month there. Tons of people are going to get parking tickets and ignore them. Tons of people are not going to declare things on their state tax returns. They know they owe the money. They don't get jailed for it. It is butthurt state employees who will never be able to afford a ferrari jealous of this guys wealth and jailing him for it. |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 3:00 PM Author: Charcoal affirmative action preventive strike “It is butthurt state employees who will never be able to afford a ferrari jealous of this guys wealth and jailing him for it.”
What’s the problem with this? |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 3:01 PM Author: Big-titted boyish gaming laptop voyeur There isn't one in the eyes of the poor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49474747) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 3:09 PM Author: Cruel-hearted principal's office Tick, tock richmos. The bill is due. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49474775) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 3:08 PM Author: Cruel-hearted principal's office I think it was a 180 move. 6.5 million YT views is not going to sway the good people of Williamson County to budge on this. The elected leaders stay. He broke the law to the tune of 30,000. He got arrested and booked and was out in two hours. It is what it is. Tax the rich, eat the rich. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49474771) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 3:17 PM Author: Big-titted boyish gaming laptop voyeur You are poor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49474804) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 3:32 PM Author: Cruel-hearted principal's office 100% (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49474859) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 4:17 PM Author: crusty toaster sex offender true but this only applies if you take this guy's version as completely factual. considering we don't usually arrest people for overdue taxes without a lot of notice and the accused being noncompliant, i suspect they didn't just show up and arrest him out of the blue.
i agree with you if the facts are as presented. |
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Date: December 2nd, 2025 1:49 PM Author: ruddy windowlicker While your ancestors were shitting in huts, my ancestors fought a war to not pay taxes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49477596) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 2:55 PM Author: Charcoal affirmative action preventive strike how does once take delivery of a car without paying the sales tax at purchase? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49474735) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 2:59 PM Author: Irate athletic conference for out of state purchases, dealerships will allow you to settle your taxes with whatever location you plan to register your car in.
e.g. resident of tennessee buys a car from an illinois dealership but lies and claims he live in montana and submits a montana llc address. the dealership expects the buyer to take care of whatever taxes he owes to montana (which would be zero for a genuine montana resident.) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 3:06 PM Author: Cruel-hearted principal's office Exactly.
Ljl at this dood.
"But muh fake LLC!"
"Dontcha know that I'm buying land in MT right now so AKSHUALLY it's like I really live there!" |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 5:25 PM Author: concupiscible juggernaut LLC and Montana registration was almost certainly real and essentially legitimate. But that doesn't change the facts regarding where the car was "used, consumed, distributed, or stored for use or consumption," which is what Tennessee cares about here.
https://codes.findlaw.com/tn/title-67-taxes-and-licenses/tn-code-sect-67-6-203/
Also,
It is declared to be the legislative intent that every person is exercising a taxable privilege who:
. . . .
(2) Uses or consumes in this state any item or article of tangible personal property as defined in this chapter, regardless of the ownership thereof or any tax immunity that may be enjoyed by the owner thereof;
(3) Is the recipient of any of the things or services taxable under this chapter;
. . . .
(5) Stores for use or consumption in this state any item or article of tangible personal property as defined in this chapter
https://codes.findlaw.com/tn/title-67-taxes-and-licenses/tn-code-sect-67-6-201/
Similar focus on use, storage: https://codes.findlaw.com/tn/title-67-taxes-and-licenses/tn-code-sect-67-6-210/ and https://codes.findlaw.com/tn/title-67-taxes-and-licenses/tn-code-sect-67-6-211/
I didn't look at the exemptions. Not sure whether they apply. |
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Date: December 2nd, 2025 9:45 AM Author: adventurous factory reset button party of the first part sure, but if it's a legit purchase via montana llc in the first place, can't you visit and/or move to tennessee without paying tax? ie isn't sales tax only on new purchases ?
edit: i'm not gonna watch the influencer video and he's not a reliable narrator presumably |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 2:59 PM Author: Stubborn amethyst ceo Thought this would be able Jack Scalfani. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49474742) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 3:15 PM Author: Titillating canary jap Sounds like a genuine idiot though? Surprised they arrested him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49474800) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 3:17 PM Author: shivering spot is OP some sort of kike? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49474806) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 3:33 PM Author: Cruel-hearted principal's office Oh, ya kikes heckin love paying taxes. Sit down for this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49474865) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 4:37 PM Author: bonkers fishy tank Yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475077) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2025 1:53 PM Author: ruddy windowlicker He's a brown guy from reddit who wants to lecture you about real conservatism. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49477611) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 3:58 PM Author: heady water buffalo space jfc I thought this was a law bort, what he did has been going on for like a decade now and is incredibly common for supercar owners, there is no fraud involved in setting up a montana llc to own your cars, Tennesse just got butthurt about it decided to make an example of this famous dood, but their argument is not that he did anything fraudulent it is that once the car spent 60 days or something in the state he had an obligation to register it in the state seems like a problem for them that the party that would be responsible for registering it is the llc and you don't generally just arrest the owner of a company the second you think there may be some tax issues |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 4:02 PM Author: Big-titted boyish gaming laptop voyeur Is that why he was arrested, because of the registration issue? That makes more sense. Agree I had no idea how you can just arrest someone because the state claims its owed money, without even a judgment against him or even with a judgment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49474970) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 4:15 PM Author: Cruel-hearted principal's office Ya why does anyone pay sales tax on cars at all? Like do only idiots do this? It's so easy every car in the US could be registered in Montana. Regardless of where it's stored. Who even cares where you keep it! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475011) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 4:45 PM Author: Titillating canary jap Lots of people who own supercars in california do the montana thing. It’s considered very flashy to own a supercar in california with a california tag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475101) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 4:49 PM Author: Cruel-hearted principal's office Sounds like CA should amend their legislation and come to collect. I believe a car registered in California is tax annually based on the value of the car. One weird trick my car which spends the entirety of the year in California has Montana plates. Bizarre they haven't cracked down on it yet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475111) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 4:52 PM Author: Geriatric Blue Background Story wouldnt it also involve having the stickers mailed to a fake address somewhere and then remailed to you? these people are the reason you have to drive to the dmv in person for dumb bullshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475126) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 5:02 PM Author: Titillating canary jap In CA they take the tag money and give it to spics and jews. Less so in montana (although there are spics and jews there too) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475169) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 5:03 PM Author: Cruel-hearted principal's office Let's try it your way. Let's just defund all the basic services of society and see if that helps with the Jews and browns problem. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475180) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 6:50 PM Author: Razzle location giraffe now you're talking (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475492) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 7:39 PM Author: concupiscible juggernaut The Montana plates trick has always been more of a play at the practical level of enforcement and dodging bureaucratic snags. But use taxes are old and common. So are registration requirements based on physical presence.
Tons of states can easily go after the Montana-plates guys in their states. Lack of will is the main barrier. |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 7:46 PM Author: Cruel-hearted principal's office That makes it all the more funny that Tennessee Chad is butthurt about this because the entire premise of his argument in the video is that he thinks cops have better things to do and they only targeted him in a publicity stunt. He actually says in the vid cops shouldn't enforce instead they should hunt pedos lol. As long as they're not looking into him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475626) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 5:25 PM Author: concupiscible juggernaut Isn't the use tax at issue? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475288) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 6:48 PM Author: 180 gaped field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475487) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2025 12:12 PM Author: adventurous factory reset button party of the first part cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49477309) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2025 12:19 PM Author: Olive office The LLC is obviously a sham. He has beneficial use of the property. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49477334) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 4:22 PM Author: Geriatric Blue Background Story in all fairness to the cops he has something resembling a rocket launcher in the back of the video (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475029) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 4:34 PM Author: Cruel-hearted principal's office I also think he has a killdozer replica on his lawn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475067) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 4:44 PM Author: Geriatric Blue Background Story i dont know who he is but he seems like kind of a useless youtuber fag who got pwnt for his nonsense. and i say this as someone who absolutely believes taxes are theft. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475097) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 4:50 PM Author: Cruel-hearted principal's office Are regressive tax system is totally unfair. If we stuck it to rich people and made them pay up, they would flip on taxation in general and all our taxes would go down. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475117) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 4:36 PM Author: bonkers fishy tank IMO licensing your car with an out of state LLC is perfectly legal and there is nothing states can do about it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475073) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 4:41 PM Author: Cruel-hearted principal's office Do you think everyone in America should have the right to purchase their car in one state and license it in Montana regardless of whether they live there or not, regardless of whether the vehicle is stored or operated there or not? Do you think there ought to be no sales tax on vehicles at all? Anything else there should be zero sales tax on? Abolish all tax or just for people with the means to register vehicles in Montana? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475087) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 4:50 PM Author: bonkers fishy tank Yeah state governments are largely retarded and gay. Taxation is gay too. Montana is 180 imo
And a guy I know took delivery of this $400k car in montana and licensed it there and libs can do absolutely nothing about it https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/09/ford-special-edition-mustang-gtd-spirit-of-america.html |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 4:54 PM Author: Cruel-hearted principal's office It's great that you support rich people buying luxury goods scot-free while regular every day working class Americans are getting absolutely pwnd on income, property, sales, and business tax regularly. All hail Frank, defender of the bootlicking aristocracy. Our Jewish overlords actually deserve to rule over the cattle goyim, because they're just born smarter and better than we are. Thank you for this reminder of where you truly stand. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475139) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 5:00 PM Author: bonkers fishy tank Yeah lets give that money to dipshit state governments so they can give it to somalians (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475159) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 5:01 PM Author: Cruel-hearted principal's office That's a good point everyone who uses schools, police, roads, and firefighters is dumb violent and brown. So let's not have services. I'm sure that will stem the tide of zombie apocalypse. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475167) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 5:04 PM Author: bonkers fishy tank Montana gets the revenue and is still like 90% white so this is win-win
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Date: December 1st, 2025 5:07 PM Author: Cruel-hearted principal's office Montana will definitely turn this country around. Any day now. Montana. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475204) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 6:02 PM Author: Razzle location giraffe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475402) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 5:28 PM Author: concupiscible juggernaut Use taxes and vehicle registration can be related, but they don't have to be. You can register (and pay) in one place and you (or another individual or entity) can be responsible elsewhere under laws concerning use and possession. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475294) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 5:41 PM Author: Cruel-hearted principal's office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475347) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 5:59 PM Author: crusty toaster sex offender lol they absolutely fucking can. your sperg about this in follow up poasts make it clear that you're against it as a matter of policy, not a neutral recitation of the law. states certainly have the authority to collect taxes and fees however they want outside of narrow exceptions, none of which are involved in this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475397) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 6:01 PM Author: bonkers fishy tank Better get to taxing all the UHauls all over the country which have arizona plates or whatever lol, big biz has been doing this shit forever and still will. You can't enforce laws differently on youtubers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475401) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 6:07 PM Author: crusty toaster sex offender please summon me when this case is dismissed for the state not having the power to prosecute this in the manner they have. because as it stands this person has been arrested and no amount of sovereign citizen fantasies about the law chamges what it actually is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475419) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 6:36 PM Author: Cruel-hearted principal's office It seems like he's bought dozens of luxury cars and blown them up in different ways in this manner. He buys them in different states and destroys them in different states. And then he sells the remains of the destroyed vehicle to his fans. Dude is just going around spending millions of vehicles and never paying tax on any of it. You would think he would just write it off as a business expense no? But I read that the actual business of YouTube videos of luxury cars being destroyed, and even the sale of the parts doesn't recoup the losses on the cars. Apparently he makes his real money with brand deals for alcohol and he actually promotes Sweet Baby James shitlaw. So the cars are a business loss for him but he's net positive on the brand deals. I don't get why he can't write off the cars as a business expense.
It might be hard for Tennessee to prove that the car was ever in Tennessee unless it's in a video there. Here's an interesting example. During COVID remote workers in Boston were told to stay home. So New Hampshire residents didn't claim any Massachusetts income tax. Mass tried to come after them but they claimed that because they live and work physically in NH they don't owe MA any money just because they used to work there before. Anyway the tax evaders won in court and didn't have to pay. Will be interesting to see if Tennessee argues that a dude who owns a car in another state has to pay the tax just because he's a resident half the year or whatever. |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 7:02 PM Author: crusty toaster sex offender they just write it off!
deducting something as a cost for income purposes doesn't change the tax you pay to acquire, register, etc. it. i'm sure he does write it off as a business expense, but that's a different tax.
in your example the people weren't in MA. he is in TN. proving that is unlikely to be an impediment. ime the tax man doesn't come this heavy unless it's a slam dunk. |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 7:06 PM Author: heady water buffalo space they have license plate readers set up all over this country now and the cops try not to mention it because it is creepy as fuck but they can easily prove you were on the road if you ever go through intersections in america (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475537) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 7:08 PM Author: crusty toaster sex offender (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475544) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 7:27 PM Author: Cruel-hearted principal's office I know the coppers have em in my city. They look at every car that goes into and out of the city. Criminals get caught all the time just dropping in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475598) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 7:50 PM Author: concupiscible juggernaut There are special laws for commercial fleets. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475635) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 7:52 PM Author: Cruel-hearted principal's office Lmao Frank's retarded prole wisdom undone by Kirbymo with a grain of domain knowledge 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475637) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2025 10:19 AM Author: bonkers fishy tank A car registered to an LLC is commercial (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49476851) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 6:02 PM Author: Yellow indecent school travel guidebook asians are LIARS and CHEATERS and DECEIVERS! totally unethical immoral subhumans! DURR DURR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475403) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 6:42 PM Author: high-end state knife The biggest issue I have heard of with registering your car out-of-state is that supposedly your insurance company can deny a claim if you are the at-fault driver, by saying you were not compliant with the "laws" and that voids any claim you have against them. Lawyers with YouTube channels who discuss the issue basically settle on this as the ultimate reason to advise against it, I just can't square why an insurance company would get to hold your compliance with laws of registration against you (assuming you accurately tell them where you actually drive and house the vehicle, that would be an entirely separate issue). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475476) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 6:58 PM Author: heady water buffalo space I find it very, very hard to believe indeed that the people buying supercars in california don't, in the aggregate, have enough access to lawyers and sophistication in terms of their insurance policies for this to not be the case (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49475517) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 7:14 PM Author: crusty toaster sex offender plus the market for insuring HNW supercar owners has to be very lucrative. they've got access to their driving records, these guys aren't likely to wrap their car around a tree, but they are expecting to pay a huge insurance premium regardless. every time i see a supercar it's being driven very carefully with the driver's hands clenched at 10 and 2. denying claims for that out of state registration (insurance company knows where it's registered and where the insured is domiciled + insured probably has one of those tracker apps) seems like it's bad for business in the long run as richmos will switch carriers if coverage is getting denied for a tax avoidance scheme they're all doing. esp against a sophisticated insured that will likely contest coverage denial.
that being said i've seen insurance companies do extremely retarded things so nothing suprises me. |
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Date: December 2nd, 2025 12:14 PM Author: adventurous factory reset button party of the first part you still do hear about insurance denying coverage for stuff like this. but yeah there's gotta be a way for a legit llc owner with a car that spends times in multiple states to get appropriate insurance. commercial insurance is generally more expensive than personal though, and so a bunch of car owners who are trying to do the supercar llc loophole thing may cut corners (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804802&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310481#49477316) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2025 9:47 AM Author: adventurous factory reset button party of the first part (assuming you accurately tell them where you actually drive and house the vehicle, that would be an entirely separate issue) -- many insurance companies will tell you to get a new policy in the state where the car will be, if you honestly disclose to them |