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I don't think anyone reasonable actually supports Hamas

And "Palestinians deserve better treatment" is not...
jfr
  10/01/24
cr on both counts
crb
  10/01/24
I agree that reasonable people likely do no support hamas. ...
snoot
  10/01/24
Problematic for both anti and pro Hamas Palestinians For th...
jfr
  10/01/24
Against, I think it's a bit deeper. It's a form of self-betr...
snoot
  10/01/24
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crb
  10/01/24
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jfr
  10/01/24
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crb
  10/01/24
do we really have to care what desert sand people do half a ...
cock of michael obama
  10/01/24


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Date: October 1st, 2024 10:50 AM
Author: jfr

And "Palestinians deserve better treatment" is not particularly controversial

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5604326&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486",#48149443)



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Date: October 1st, 2024 10:51 AM
Author: crb (No Future)

cr on both counts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5604326&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486",#48149444)



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Date: October 1st, 2024 10:55 AM
Author: snoot

I agree that reasonable people likely do no support hamas.

The problem comes when Palestinians who have been victimized and dehumanized by Israel are forced to condemn Hamas as a precondition to having a discussion about Israel - Palestinian relations.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5604326&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486",#48149453)



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Date: October 1st, 2024 10:57 AM
Author: jfr

Problematic for both anti and pro Hamas Palestinians

For the pro side, Hamas is basically their only means of recourse against Israeli abuse e.g. the forcible resettling of disputed territories

Against, you're speaking out against the largest gang in town and will likely be seen as a traitor to your tribe, even if your reasons are good and just

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5604326&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486",#48149458)



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Date: October 1st, 2024 11:01 AM
Author: snoot

Against, I think it's a bit deeper. It's a form of self-betrayal and self-humiliation to be forced to condemn Hamas in light of Israeli treatment of Palestinians.

It's also just an unfair starting point for a debate. Why should a Palestinian be forced to condemn Hamas when Israelis, Jews, Israel supporters are never forced to condemn Israel's far worse actions? No one says, you must denounce zionism in order to discuss this issue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5604326&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486",#48149465)



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Date: October 1st, 2024 11:19 AM
Author: crb (No Future)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5604326&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486",#48149500)



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Date: October 1st, 2024 11:38 AM
Author: jfr



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5604326&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486",#48149545)



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Date: October 1st, 2024 11:18 AM
Author: crb (No Future)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5604326&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486",#48149497)



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Date: October 1st, 2024 11:02 AM
Author: cock of michael obama

do we really have to care what desert sand people do half a world away?

pull out from everything, fuck it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5604326&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486",#48149467)