I was struck at how manly some of them actually were, their soggy mantits giving a whole new take on the sideboob craze. They scratched the chafe under what used to be a pectoral muscle, stressed at the latest ping from their taskmaster who keeps tabs on when the 'crew' takes an extended 15 mins extra for lunch most Wednesdays. Easy way to deny their next 'formal request' to be allowed to keep maybe just a sliver more of the 'value' they believe they bring to the title of the wheelie chair they all dreamt of scooting around their assigned eight square foot fiefdoms when they were children. To the claw machine, the extra $10k is a meaningless sum. To the sardine, every penny is a token given back to a bigger claw machine for a chance to win a sliver of dignity back. Even when the sardine sees the claws grab some of the dignity and begins to raise itup, the prize slides right through those metal claws, toppling back down into the pile with the rest. Next sardine, please.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714965&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#48873137)

A lot of it comes down to relationships and leverage. Mutually assured destruction is fine if you're okay with it going up in smoke. I am because if have a slate of projects with different folks at different studios in different countries - lots will get close and then die on the 5 yard line. That's normal. If someone tries to steal my lil deal away on this one, though, after 1 night in Cannes no one in the industry will buy it, and it will whither away into oblivion - producer to be shelved, never to be able to get anything made or released that matters ever again.

You're really just betting on having more power or being connected to more people that have power than the other person. I'm not saying I'm some Hollywood powerbroker asshat, but for most folks in the industry, I'll win the game of chicken almost every time. If I don't that one time? That's fine, move on to the next.

My ent business is doing well, but my wife's cafe does pull in £500k/yr - so she is technically the more successful entrepreneur this year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714965&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#48876188)

Just stick to what ur good at: using ur struggling production company to rape aspiring young actors.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714965&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#48873639)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714965&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#48876198)

And have you seen the iPad blobs these days and the miserable fucks you have to interact with if you have an iPad blob of your own?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714965&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#48882246)

I am significantly less productive in an office. This is pretty well known which is why everyone is happy with our arrangement. The couple days a month I'm in the office are basically a productivity black hole. But I can make it up the rest of the days where I WFH.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714965&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#48874302)

women cannot stand an idle man and work often has periods of idleness. having to click away xoxo when your wife walks into the room is even more cucked that doing it when your boss does.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714965&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#48874215)

coming into the office is a bargained-for service just like anything else. it's ridiculous to expect employees to want to "create a culture and teams" for *your* business. that's the whole reason you have to *pay* them in the first place.

if you want people to come into the office then create an incentive for them to do it. they're not going to do it for the love of the game no matter how much you wish they would.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714965&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#48874250)

It's pretty funny that you're comparing WFH, a widespread phenomena for about 5 years, to the 2 day weekend, an institutionalized part of the culture for probably 100+ years.

In any case, of course it's my responsibility to create a culture for my business, and I do that by hiring the right people that promote what I'm trying to build. And I'm more successful at building my vision if people are visible and working together without many roadblocks. You may flippantly dismiss small talk but it helps people build relationships, which helps my business.

It's just too hard to scale a fledgling new business with people that are not here.

And yeah the incentive is the paycheck and the thousands of your competitors for each job that would gladly come in if we ask them to. You greatly overestimate the talent people working from home possess. Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard and in most cases hard workers are not opposed to coming in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714965&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#48874327)

As to the "rest of society" - most white collar work could easily be done at home with better results. I'll also note that at home I have a 43" display, a large office with a door, much fewer distractions, and I don't waste time on commuting, lunch or gossiping with whoever.

Also, the dog is 100lbs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714965&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#48874427)

Your top .01% set-up is irrelevant and you're a fag for all your humblebragging itt.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714965&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#48874449)

Yes, I have some advantages and that's why I make several times more than many of the people I describe. I also live in a very expensive area. People could replicate this on far less. Also, if I had a second kid this wouldn't materially change the equation. In short, this is more broadly applicable than you might imagine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714965&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#48874639)

if he's talking about jobs that *need* to be performed on site or low-level workers that cannot be trusted to work off-site, that's different. but expecting his paralegal to show up to work for the love of the game is ridiculous. she's a shitlaw paralegal. if you want her to come in then pay her what it takes to get a shitlaw paralegal to come into the office. what the FUCK would she care about your business?! give her equity and then you can expect her to care.

you can expect to pay the market rate for services. on-site and off-site work are different levels of service. my rate is much more than a plumber because my services command that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714965&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#48874692)

That's what I was responding to. I don't care about your special situation.

Identifying that WFH sucks for business owners is easy and plainly an accepted fact.

But my position is it's bad for *men* in general. It promotes laziness, sloth (in dress, for example), and is ultimately demoralizing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714965&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#48874758)

"Completely agree. It's a recipe for atrophying. And as a business owner it's antithetical to how culture and teams are created. You can scoff at that all you want as the wagies that you are but it's true."

*YOU* created this subtopic narrowing it down to business reasons.

do you charge significantly less for your services than the market demands? if not, then why would you expect your employees to? in-office and wfh is different and require different incentives. your fucking secretary is not going to come in because it's better for *YOU*. the whole reason you have to pay her in the first place is because you're purchasing her services. the same reason your clients pay you what they do.

if you want in-office services, then offer in-office work incentives. anything else is childish complaining about human nature. you might as well complain that it's going to be a rainy day tomorrow. sorry, your employees aren't interested in making *you* more money just for the sake of it. just like *you* don't serve *your* clients just for the sake of it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714965&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#48874799)

wfh is bad for business, bad for men

and yeah i pay a fair wage and ensure that whoever i hire works from the office. i'm not paying significantly less or more i'm paying market wages and have no shortage of applicants.

the in-office incentive is they get to have a job. and if they don't make me money they don't work here anymore. does it make sense now?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714965&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#48874857)

bad for business = irrelevant to people that dont benefit. thats what business *is* and why its not charity. you pay for services with the incentive the market demands, the fact they benefit you doesnt factor into what in to what the service provider demands.

bad for men = childish. men are base and without incentives will be base. if you want society to improve you have to offer an incentive to do so. thats the only reason 99% of people work to begin with.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714965&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#48874962)

The reason companies are doing RTO is mostly to cull certain jobs without doing layoffs. You will notice that a few months later many of these companies ended up hiring significantly... in India.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714965&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#48875455)

if it wasn't in *my* interest i wouldn't do these things. that's what i'm complaining about with your poasts on the matter. you seem to expect people to want to do it because you assume their interests align with yours. but that's not always going to be the case. you have to create the incentive. you're taking responsibility for that in your last poast, but in the past it wasn't explicit.

a lot of work can be done remotely and a lot of people will work hard doing it. do you perform your client's work on site? i am opposed to coming to the office when there is no benefit. the best and most talented workers also want freedom and trust to do their job. part of the reason i've worked hard in developing my career is so i won't be treated like a child or fungible cog. when there is a meeting or an event i throw on a suit and come in. but 90% of my job is performed in my office with the door shut. and i would not consider working for an employer that demanded i do that on site.

you take a lot of pride in being a business owner in part because you have the freedom and authority to work as you choose. and you mock "wagies" for being "less of a man" itt. now i know you're being factitious and i'm not accusing you of being this way for real, but if that's how my employer viewed me i would quiet-quit until i found a different job. i'm a professional and i expect to be treated as one, which includes not being told to come into the office when i'm performing work that cannot involve socialization.

note that i'm talking about me i.e. a senior person that is more trusted. when it comes to low-level employees i agree with you, but that's only because they have to earn the trust and authority i have. but they're only going to do that if it's worthwhile to *them.* which means you're gonna have to pay them enough or be valuable enough to want to impress. i assume your business is a small law firm, which means your staff isn't likely to be gunning to climb the ladder, because there is no ladder. so you're going to have to pay them since they don't have the career aspirations i did (by incentives i didn't mean strictly compensation).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714965&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#48874624)

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your work is meaningless and likely a net drain on society. it should not exist. if you were a true believer in the whole "your work is your soul" thing you would not have ended up doing what you do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714965&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#48874421)

i cant imagine how empty you are inside that you take meaning from... legal work

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714965&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#48875290)

ideally you are outside killing people with great purpose but nobody here is doing that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714965&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#48874296)

this lifestyle is all much more preferable and way more alpha than spending time with your kids, having sex with your wife, and playing golf when you have downtime during the work day

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714965&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#48874832)

If you take the time you would be in the office and accomplish something that’s one thing, but I doubt anyone here is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714965&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#48875263)

-II Maccabeus, in defense of the resistance against the Silly-cids

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