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Kirkland V5 SECURE; Milbank V10 SECURE; Gibson DUNN HERE (V11)

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Pearl tank
  06/26/25
how did S&C, DPW and STB all slip out of the top 5 over ...
Crystalline Institution
  06/26/25
The real question is how on earth is Cravath still number on...
costumed hissy fit son of senegal
  06/26/25
cq. and how did skadden go from long-time top 2-3 to barely ...
Crystalline Institution
  06/26/25
They must be bribing people or have some other scam. They&rs...
costumed hissy fit son of senegal
  06/26/25
the same way any giants slip. lack of innovation and failur...
marvelous stage international law enforcement agency
  06/26/25
Because 20 years is a long fucking time?
Razzle-dazzle hell
  06/27/25
still. those firms were in the top 5 for 100 years
Crystalline Institution
  06/27/25
its still flame. no one thinks kirkland or latham is better ...
Sienna alpha
  06/27/25
CR. This whole “Kirkland is an elite firm” thin...
fishy tantric piazza
  06/27/25
You're stuck in 2005.
Floppy Violet Crotch
  06/27/25
so is xoxohth.com . it was better that way
Crystalline Institution
  06/27/25
not disagreeing there ....
Floppy Violet Crotch
  06/27/25
Yes they do. Things have changed a lot in the past 10-15 ye...
Floppy Violet Crotch
  06/27/25
wtf is a #73 Troutman Pepper Locke
Crystalline Institution
  06/26/25
Troutman Sanders/Pepper Hamilton/Locke Lord merger?
Big-titted contagious state cuck
  06/26/25
rofl so three shitty regional midlaw firms merge and beocme ...
Crystalline Institution
  06/26/25
and wtf is a #86 Polsinelli is this spaceporn's firm?
Crystalline Institution
  06/26/25
wtf is #100 Husch Blackwell LLP
Crystalline Institution
  06/26/25
Very prestigious Kansas City, Missouri, firm with a storied ...
Well-lubricated gas station associate
  06/27/25
180. Good for Millbank buying their way into the V10 via ass...
gaped parlour indirect expression
  06/26/25
Boies Schiller has really taken a tumble
Sienna alpha
  06/26/25
At Boies Schiller Flexner, associates toss aside the life ve...
Crystalline Institution
  06/26/25
You know you’ve made it in the legal industry when you...
Pearl tank
  06/26/25
Get your passport ready—DLA Piper has more than 90 off...
Crystalline Institution
  06/26/25
Sidley — Come for the sophisticated work and stay for ...
Blue impertinent elastic band
  06/27/25
lol cr, very chill happy bros
charismatic ivory chapel
  06/27/25
I’ve worked at three big law firms and Sidley was the ...
sadistic ticket booth juggernaut
  06/27/25
polite, amiable Midwesterners like Barry and Michael Obama
Pearl tank
  06/27/25
wheres Lewis Brisbois Bisgaard and Smith?
azure diverse address idea he suggested
  06/26/25
where is _._. ______ law? should be top 100 after the pen...
Crystalline Institution
  06/26/25
...
saffron laughsome boistinker
  06/26/25
messenger bag logo facing OUT
mind-boggling french den degenerate
  06/26/25
My former firm baker hostetler holding down the 64 spot
Maize mischievous theater stage
  06/26/25
...
indecent razzle philosopher-king locus
  06/27/25
Where does Hamlin Hamlin and McGill rank?
silver supple trailer park
  06/27/25
What's board consensus on claiming vault prestige: (a) ranki...
Bronze Box Office
  06/27/25
(c), with the argument that it was your hard work that made ...
stirring school cafeteria antidepressant drug
  06/27/25
relatedly, same question about usnwr ug/ls rankings. (ask...
Crystalline Institution
  06/27/25
I think the bands are consistent enough to just use them: ...
Bronze Box Office
  06/27/25
How was penn?
Crystalline Institution
  06/27/25
(jerry sandusky tp)
Sienna alpha
  06/27/25
I bet the “Carey” 2 and 3Ls would not be happy i...
fishy tantric piazza
  06/27/25
...
Crystalline Institution
  06/27/25
I’m currently at a V10 and I’d say consensus her...
Shaky embarrassed to the bone sweet tailpipe corner
  06/27/25
Clever Weil-bro post
Bronze Box Office
  06/27/25
...
plum fragrant field
  06/27/25
...
Crystalline Institution
  06/27/25
True although STB is SPS now
stirring school cafeteria antidepressant drug
  06/27/25
How is STB?
fishy tantric piazza
  06/27/25
Does Kirkland still SHATTER the market??
exhilarant black woman party of the first part
  06/27/25
YOURE A PARTNER
Sienna alpha
  06/27/25
Man, it's still a great shtick for them. In-house business ...
mind-boggling french den degenerate
  06/27/25
...
bearded sick tanning salon
  06/27/25
...
Sienna alpha
  06/27/25


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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:42 PM
Author: Pearl tank

https://vault.com/best-companies-to-work-for/law/top-100-law-firms-rankings

#1

Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP

#2

Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz

#3

Skadden

#4

Latham & Watkins

#5

Kirkland & Ellis

#6

Sullivan & Cromwell LLP

#7

Davis Polk & Wardwell LLP

#8

Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP

#9

Milbank LLP

#10

Simpson Thacher

#11

Gibson Dunn

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49052006)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:44 PM
Author: Crystalline Institution

how did S&C, DPW and STB all slip out of the top 5 over the past 20 years

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49052012)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:42 PM
Author: costumed hissy fit son of senegal

The real question is how on earth is Cravath still number one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49052822)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:45 PM
Author: Crystalline Institution

cq. and how did skadden go from long-time top 2-3 to barely in the top 5 (perhaps sometimes out?) to back to solid top 3?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49052832)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:48 PM
Author: costumed hissy fit son of senegal

They must be bribing people or have some other scam. They’ve been losing partners/business for ages.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49052838)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:50 PM
Author: marvelous stage international law enforcement agency

the same way any giants slip. lack of innovation and failure to adjust to modernity

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49052842)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 7:41 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle hell

Because 20 years is a long fucking time?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49053272)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 9:52 AM
Author: Crystalline Institution

still. those firms were in the top 5 for 100 years

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49053413)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:07 AM
Author: Sienna alpha

its still flame. no one thinks kirkland or latham is better than s&c or dpw. skadden perhaps has a case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49053456)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:10 AM
Author: fishy tantric piazza

CR. This whole “Kirkland is an elite firm” thing is rancid flame. Place is full of UIUC grads.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49053468)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 3:28 PM
Author: Floppy Violet Crotch

You're stuck in 2005.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49054437)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 3:34 PM
Author: Crystalline Institution

so is xoxohth.com . it was better that way

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49054461)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 3:34 PM
Author: Floppy Violet Crotch

not disagreeing there ....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49054462)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 3:29 PM
Author: Floppy Violet Crotch

Yes they do. Things have changed a lot in the past 10-15 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49054440)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:46 PM
Author: Crystalline Institution

wtf is a #73 Troutman Pepper Locke



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49052014)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:28 PM
Author: Big-titted contagious state cuck

Troutman Sanders/Pepper Hamilton/Locke Lord merger?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49052790)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:39 PM
Author: Crystalline Institution

rofl so three shitty regional midlaw firms merge and beocme biglaw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49052821)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:47 PM
Author: Crystalline Institution

and wtf is a #86 Polsinelli

is this spaceporn's firm?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49052016)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:50 PM
Author: Crystalline Institution

wtf is #100 Husch Blackwell LLP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49052023)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 8:53 AM
Author: Well-lubricated gas station associate

Very prestigious Kansas City, Missouri, firm with a storied history and full service range of practice areas.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49053336)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:50 PM
Author: gaped parlour indirect expression

180. Good for Millbank buying their way into the V10 via associate pay increases.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49052025)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:53 PM
Author: Sienna alpha

Boies Schiller has really taken a tumble

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49052039)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:54 PM
Author: Crystalline Institution

At Boies Schiller Flexner, associates toss aside the life vest and dive right in, and lawyers at this litigation powerhouse wouldn’t have it any other way. Litigators looking to roll up their sleeves and learn on the job will feel right at home here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49052044)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:20 PM
Author: Pearl tank

You know you’ve made it in the legal industry when you’ve landed a spot at Latham & Watkins.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49052774)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:38 PM
Author: Crystalline Institution

Get your passport ready—DLA Piper has more than 90 offices (including relationship firms) around the world and is home to more than 4,000 lawyers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49052820)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 3:13 AM
Author: Blue impertinent elastic band

Sidley — Come for the sophisticated work and stay for the polite, amiable Midwestern vibes as well as the sincere commitment to building a welcoming and inclusive workplace.

lol yeah lots of folksy people wandering the halls there. They just love small talk

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49053140)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 9:49 AM
Author: charismatic ivory chapel

lol cr, very chill happy bros

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49053406)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 12:10 PM
Author: sadistic ticket booth juggernaut

I’ve worked at three big law firms and Sidley was the most transactional by far. Nobody gave a fuck about anybody else other than their tiny in group and they just rented the Sidley brand name.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49053841)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 2:08 PM
Author: Pearl tank

polite, amiable Midwesterners like Barry and Michael Obama

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49054162)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:55 PM
Author: azure diverse address idea he suggested

wheres Lewis Brisbois Bisgaard and Smith?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49052048)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:57 PM
Author: Crystalline Institution

where is _._. ______ law?

should be top 100 after the penis verdict

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49052055)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:44 PM
Author: saffron laughsome boistinker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49052828)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:30 PM
Author: mind-boggling french den degenerate

messenger bag logo facing OUT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49052792)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:54 PM
Author: Maize mischievous theater stage

My former firm baker hostetler holding down the 64 spot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49052844)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 2:38 AM
Author: indecent razzle philosopher-king locus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49053127)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 3:01 AM
Author: silver supple trailer park

Where does Hamlin Hamlin and McGill rank?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49053137)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 6:14 AM
Author: Bronze Box Office

What's board consensus on claiming vault prestige: (a) ranking from your time as an associate, (b) current rank, or (c) whichever is higher

I believe in (a)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49053216)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 6:44 AM
Author: stirring school cafeteria antidepressant drug

(c), with the argument that it was your hard work that made it increase after you left

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49053237)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 7:01 AM
Author: Crystalline Institution

relatedly, same question about usnwr ug/ls rankings.

(asking for a silent gen friend who went to umich when it was #1)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49053245)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 8:05 AM
Author: Bronze Box Office

I think the bands are consistent enough to just use them:

HYS (Just use school name)

CCNP (just say top 5 and hope you don't have to explain)

BVMN (just say top 10)

TTT (anywhere lower, pretend you're a plumber)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49053287)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 9:29 AM
Author: Crystalline Institution

How was penn?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49053374)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:09 AM
Author: Sienna alpha

(jerry sandusky tp)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49053463)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:15 AM
Author: fishy tantric piazza

I bet the “Carey” 2 and 3Ls would not be happy if they knew their CDO was spending time advertising on xo instead of making connections at regional DLA Piper offices.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49053489)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 1:38 PM
Author: Crystalline Institution



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49054103)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 7:40 AM
Author: Shaky embarrassed to the bone sweet tailpipe corner

I’m currently at a V10 and I’d say consensus here is (c) - also FWIW no one is under any illusion that Kirkland and Kirkland branded products (e.g., Skadden and Latham) are prestigious. No one at my T6 (historical) wanted to go there.

The legacy undisputed V5 is WLRK, CSM, S&C, DPW and STB.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49053271)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 8:03 AM
Author: Bronze Box Office

Clever Weil-bro post

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49053286)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 8:43 AM
Author: plum fragrant field



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49053324)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 9:29 AM
Author: Crystalline Institution



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49053373)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 9:43 AM
Author: stirring school cafeteria antidepressant drug

True although STB is SPS now



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49053393)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:11 AM
Author: fishy tantric piazza

How is STB?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49053474)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:19 AM
Author: exhilarant black woman party of the first part

Does Kirkland still SHATTER the market??

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49053501)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:20 AM
Author: Sienna alpha

YOURE A PARTNER

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49053507)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 2:20 PM
Author: mind-boggling french den degenerate

Man, it's still a great shtick for them. In-house business guys are impressed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49054201)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 12:01 PM
Author: bearded sick tanning salon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49053812)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 12:02 PM
Author: Sienna alpha



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310486#49053817)