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Is it ok to have 5-15 drinks a day

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Exhilarant church building idiot
  06/11/25
yeah
Chrome wonderful meetinghouse stain
  06/11/25
wait
disgusting gold crackhouse
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beady-eyed hospital place of business
  06/11/25
There is a huge gulf between 5 and 15.
Charismatic Grizzly Ticket Booth Internal Respiration
  06/11/25
Yeah it's called dedication
Lake seedy orchestra pit candlestick maker
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Chestnut stirring market
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Amber range
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beady-eyed hospital place of business
  06/11/25
(alcoholic)
Razzle azn toilet seat
  06/11/25
(Expert)
Chestnut stirring market
  06/11/25
15 is still amateur night
Charismatic Grizzly Ticket Booth Internal Respiration
  06/11/25
Yeah it’s really cool and badass to still be drinking ...
metal temple
  06/11/25
I was retarded prior to the drinking to
flatulent yapping voyeur theater
  06/11/25
Sometimes your brain needs an off switch.
Charismatic Grizzly Ticket Booth Internal Respiration
  06/11/25
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histrionic love of her life
  06/11/25
Try a bullet
marvelous canary stage
  06/11/25
That would be irreversible.
Charismatic Grizzly Ticket Booth Internal Respiration
  06/12/25
Yes but some days I have 5 and some days I have 15
Exhilarant church building idiot
  06/11/25
Take two weeks off now, don’t drink every day ever. D...
Charismatic Grizzly Ticket Booth Internal Respiration
  06/11/25
Easier said than done. I have Work Rage and a lot of stress....
Exhilarant church building idiot
  06/11/25
That’s the difference between being an alcoholic and a...
Charismatic Grizzly Ticket Booth Internal Respiration
  06/11/25
In this scenario am I an alcoholic or a drunk
Exhilarant church building idiot
  06/11/25
The former
Charismatic Grizzly Ticket Booth Internal Respiration
  06/11/25
Fair
Exhilarant church building idiot
  06/11/25
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medicated doctorate pistol
  06/11/25
who cares
lemon stead pocket flask
  06/11/25
it's clearly bad for you. honestly, any alcohol is probably ...
carmine depressive
  06/11/25
sometimes, a drink is your only friend in the world- don't l...
Clear locale
  06/11/25
You’re not an alcoholic but you’re on your way!
Light field
  06/11/25
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bronze boyish base
  06/11/25
So somebody who lived to puberty in the middle ages had a li...
medicated doctorate pistol
  06/11/25
like the whole milk/lactose intolerance thing, the risks are...
Amber range
  06/11/25
its ok but with proper diet and training you should be able ...
mahogany hyperactive state
  06/11/25
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Laughsome greedy stag film
  06/12/25
We’re a mostly male office and allow alcohol. Everyone...
Silver location mad cow disease
  06/11/25
that guy sounds like me when i was drinking, jesus christ
carmine depressive
  06/11/25
what about just drinking on the weekends?
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  06/11/25
Did you hear about my Work Rage? But yes I used to only drin...
Exhilarant church building idiot
  06/11/25
yeah like a 12 pack friday, saturday, and sunday is nbd, rig...
federal lilac property windowlicker
  06/11/25
I haven't had any alcohol all year and my life is falling ap...
bright coldplay fan
  06/11/25
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Exhilarant church building idiot
  06/11/25
I doubt I have five drinks a year
Thriller skinny woman set
  06/11/25
When do you decide to drink if you have fewer than 5 a year....
Exhilarant church building idiot
  06/11/25
New year and special events like seeing my parents for the 3...
Thriller skinny woman set
  06/11/25
Yea, no, that’s not okay.
Chartreuse box office hissy fit
  06/11/25
ive been having 1.5 to 2 liters of beer everyday for like 10...
Tantric jewess
  06/11/25
keep an eye on your weight
bronze boyish base
  06/11/25
I think it depends highly on your ethnicity. If you are ...
amethyst lay gaping
  06/11/25
Also, a lot of the ill long-term health effects of alcohol a...
amethyst lay gaping
  06/11/25
Do you know of anyone who averages three to six per day bu...
Laughsome greedy stag film
  06/12/25
I would not drink on weekends. I preferred slower nights.
Charismatic Grizzly Ticket Booth Internal Respiration
  06/12/25
LOL at all the bro-science rationalizing in here. I am a hea...
Doobsian provocative crotch
  06/11/25
CR. I’m just saying there’s a big difference bet...
amethyst lay gaping
  06/11/25
Something tells me you have 20-30 drinks a week. Most people...
Exhilarant church building idiot
  06/11/25
Lots of people who would have been or were heavy drinkers ar...
Charismatic Grizzly Ticket Booth Internal Respiration
  06/12/25
most of the "constructive" ways you mention are ul...
plum forum sandwich
  06/11/25
not being able to really drink in a satisfying way anymore t...
federal lilac property windowlicker
  06/12/25
Alcohol: Bad in every possible way, and totally worth it
Light field
  06/12/25


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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:27 AM
Author: Exhilarant church building idiot



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Date: June 11th, 2025 8:24 PM
Author: Chrome wonderful meetinghouse stain

yeah

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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:28 AM
Author: disgusting gold crackhouse

wait

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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:37 PM
Author: beady-eyed hospital place of business



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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:30 AM
Author: Charismatic Grizzly Ticket Booth Internal Respiration

There is a huge gulf between 5 and 15.

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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:35 AM
Author: Lake seedy orchestra pit candlestick maker

Yeah it's called dedication

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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:47 AM
Author: Chestnut stirring market



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Date: June 11th, 2025 11:38 AM
Author: Amber range



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Date: June 11th, 2025 12:52 PM
Author: mint address hunting ground



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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:37 PM
Author: beady-eyed hospital place of business



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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:40 AM
Author: Razzle azn toilet seat

(alcoholic)

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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:48 AM
Author: Chestnut stirring market

(Expert)

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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:50 AM
Author: Charismatic Grizzly Ticket Booth Internal Respiration

15 is still amateur night

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Date: June 11th, 2025 11:11 AM
Author: metal temple

Yeah it’s really cool and badass to still be drinking yourself retarded in your 50s

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Date: June 11th, 2025 11:12 AM
Author: flatulent yapping voyeur theater

I was retarded prior to the drinking to

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Date: June 11th, 2025 11:22 AM
Author: Charismatic Grizzly Ticket Booth Internal Respiration

Sometimes your brain needs an off switch.

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Date: June 11th, 2025 12:30 PM
Author: histrionic love of her life



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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:16 PM
Author: marvelous canary stage

Try a bullet



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Date: June 12th, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: Charismatic Grizzly Ticket Booth Internal Respiration

That would be irreversible.

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Date: June 11th, 2025 11:08 AM
Author: Exhilarant church building idiot

Yes but some days I have 5 and some days I have 15

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Date: June 11th, 2025 11:22 AM
Author: Charismatic Grizzly Ticket Booth Internal Respiration

Take two weeks off now, don’t drink every day ever. Drink to feel better, not to feel good.

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Date: June 11th, 2025 11:25 AM
Author: Exhilarant church building idiot

Easier said than done. I have Work Rage and a lot of stress. And now I’m physically dependent to some degree on top of it. I probably take a couple days off every few weeks. During the work week I drink to decompress from stress and then weekend rolls around and I want to have a good time. Most of my friends are heavy drinkers too.

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Date: June 11th, 2025 11:33 AM
Author: Charismatic Grizzly Ticket Booth Internal Respiration

That’s the difference between being an alcoholic and a drunk.

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Date: June 11th, 2025 12:04 PM
Author: Exhilarant church building idiot

In this scenario am I an alcoholic or a drunk

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Date: June 11th, 2025 12:29 PM
Author: Charismatic Grizzly Ticket Booth Internal Respiration

The former

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Date: June 11th, 2025 12:50 PM
Author: Exhilarant church building idiot

Fair

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Date: June 11th, 2025 11:22 AM
Author: medicated doctorate pistol



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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:49 AM
Author: lemon stead pocket flask

who cares

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Date: June 11th, 2025 11:28 AM
Author: carmine depressive

it's clearly bad for you. honestly, any alcohol is probably bad for you, so you have to weigh the pleasure you get from it against the risks/detriments.

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Date: June 11th, 2025 11:35 AM
Author: Clear locale

sometimes, a drink is your only friend in the world- don't lose count of that

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Date: June 11th, 2025 11:41 AM
Author: Light field

You’re not an alcoholic but you’re on your way!

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Date: June 11th, 2025 8:04 PM
Author: bronze boyish base



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Date: June 11th, 2025 11:42 AM
Author: medicated doctorate pistol

So somebody who lived to puberty in the middle ages had a lifespan roughly equal to ours. Yet, they were drinking constantly because the water wasn't safety. What's more, in the USA there's only like 10K liver transplants a year but only 2K people a year die waiting for a liver. It's true that alcohol is bad for you, but so is a lot of shit. The risks of alcohol are hugely overstated.

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Date: June 11th, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: Amber range

like the whole milk/lactose intolerance thing, the risks are not equal across different ethnic groups

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Date: June 11th, 2025 11:53 AM
Author: mahogany hyperactive state

its ok but with proper diet and training you should be able to get up to 25

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Date: June 12th, 2025 9:47 AM
Author: Laughsome greedy stag film



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Date: June 11th, 2025 11:59 AM
Author: Silver location mad cow disease

We’re a mostly male office and allow alcohol. Everyone has bottles of scotch sitting around and we do “martini wednesdays” and such. I have somewhere in that range every day unless I’m in court. All the other lawyers do too except our estate planning guy who started waving a gun around and drove his car partially over the side of a mountain at a firm retreat. He promised everyone he’d never drink again.

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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:36 PM
Author: carmine depressive

that guy sounds like me when i was drinking, jesus christ

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Date: June 11th, 2025 12:11 PM
Author: anal garnet casino international law enforcement agency

what about just drinking on the weekends?

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Date: June 11th, 2025 12:51 PM
Author: Exhilarant church building idiot

Did you hear about my Work Rage? But yes I used to only drink Friday to Sunday. But then I got some alcoholic friends, more work events with alcohol and drank more and then kept drinking

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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:25 PM
Author: federal lilac property windowlicker

yeah like a 12 pack friday, saturday, and sunday is nbd, right?

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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:05 PM
Author: bright coldplay fan

I haven't had any alcohol all year and my life is falling apart

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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:05 PM
Author: Exhilarant church building idiot



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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:06 PM
Author: Thriller skinny woman set

I doubt I have five drinks a year

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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:09 PM
Author: Exhilarant church building idiot

When do you decide to drink if you have fewer than 5 a year. Like just at a wedding or something you might have two?

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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:24 PM
Author: Thriller skinny woman set

New year and special events like seeing my parents for the 3/7 times I'll see them before they die

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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:25 PM
Author: Chartreuse box office hissy fit

Yea, no, that’s not okay.

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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:41 PM
Author: Tantric jewess

ive been having 1.5 to 2 liters of beer everyday for like 10 days now, no breaks. russian beer is delicious and cheap so i wont stop for a while

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Date: June 11th, 2025 8:09 PM
Author: bronze boyish base

keep an eye on your weight

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Date: June 11th, 2025 8:16 PM
Author: amethyst lay gaping

I think it depends highly on your ethnicity.

If you are Slavic, Irish, English, etc. you can probably drink 3-5 drinks a day and have relatively few consequences. If you are Asian, Native American, etc., not so much.

My father is over 75 and still has 2-3 drinks most days. He still works 4 days a week and is in good health apart from taking a statin for high blood pressure that I think is caused by stress and diet. He is sharp as a tack, walks long distances with no problems, and drives a high performance sports car. The main side effect is he may get drowsy by 9 PM. (But he’s up at 5:45 every morning whether he works or not.) My mom has a low tolerance and has probably 7 drinks per week. She was a SAHM and took decent care of herself, but is in worse health due to a heart condition, random auto-immune stuff, etc.

Social consequences are one thing. Drinking so much you get a DUI or can’t get up and have a purpose requires more than 4 drinks per day, IMO. But in my personal observation, I have not seen adverse health consequences for otherwise healthy people until you are drinking 6 or more per day with frequent 8+ binges. Your mileage may vary, though.



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Date: June 11th, 2025 8:23 PM
Author: amethyst lay gaping

Also, a lot of the ill long-term health effects of alcohol are confounded by a drinking culture that includes increased smoking rates, drunk driving, and eating fatty/shitty food. It’s hard to back those out. If you are eating vegetables and high-quality protein and having 2 glasses of wine and a scotch a few nights a week, and not waking up with a hangover, and still exercising and walking, you’re probably fine.

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Date: June 12th, 2025 10:03 AM
Author: Laughsome greedy stag film

Do you know of anyone who averages three to six per day but does not drink eight or more per day on the weekend?

When I drank every day it took willpower to limit myself to six on a weekend day and the default was eight or more.



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Date: June 12th, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: Charismatic Grizzly Ticket Booth Internal Respiration

I would not drink on weekends. I preferred slower nights.

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Date: June 11th, 2025 9:46 PM
Author: Doobsian provocative crotch

LOL at all the bro-science rationalizing in here. I am a heavy drinker myself so I'm not going to advocate for teetotaling but it's additional self-harm to not keep your eyes wide open.

Alcohol is not good for your health in even small quantities, particularly with consistent daily drinking. 5-15 will catch up to the large majority of people, even if they could sustain it for years with no serious consequences. If you have family history of CVD and cancer, it's particularly stupid to drink like that. It also fucks up your looks, wrecks fitness and muscle development/maintenance, and negatively affects hormone levels. The slow and steady debilitation of cognitive function is also well known and supported by good research. It inflames your digestive tract and fucks up your gut microbiome, which is inarguably critical for good health.

As some of our alco-apologists pointed out, a few a day is not likely to put most people in serious health jeopardy although some downstream consequences are inevitable. There is no cogent argument that 50+ a week won't eventually fuck you up, placing you in a position where you must choose between not being able to really drink in a satisfying way anymore or just diving into the bottle with no heed for the future.

It's still worth it for many people. But scrambling around trying to find tortured rationalizations for why it's fine to dump booze into your body every day in lieu of constructive ways to endure the tedium of life is one of XO's most consistently retarded perspectives.

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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:46 PM
Author: amethyst lay gaping

CR. I’m just saying there’s a big difference between 20 per week and 50. 30 is probably the dividing line of alcoholism—but everyone has their own limits and many people go through phases of more or less drinking.

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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:57 PM
Author: Exhilarant church building idiot

Something tells me you have 20-30 drinks a week. Most people shockingly always think their level of drinking is somehow the healthy or at least acceptable level. But as you point out a lot of heavy drinkers are not heavy drinkers for decades but go through heavy and lighter months throughout the year, which complicates things. It’s not good for you and definitely decreases life expectancy, but being sober most of the time sucks and it’s a trade off consciously made by many. We’re in a historical period of lighter drinking especially in the US so those of that drink heavily are like the new smokers, with all these nanny state types running around talking about the dangers of drinking like they just discovered something new that everyone didn’t already know and consciously accept

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Date: June 12th, 2025 1:25 PM
Author: Charismatic Grizzly Ticket Booth Internal Respiration

Lots of people who would have been or were heavy drinkers are now stoned out of their minds most of the time off edibles and weed pens.

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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:49 PM
Author: plum forum sandwich

most of the "constructive" ways you mention are ultimately not constructive at all, a great many of them are much worse than just hurting yourself

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Date: June 12th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: federal lilac property windowlicker

not being able to really drink in a satisfying way anymore tp

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Date: June 12th, 2025 1:38 PM
Author: Light field

Alcohol: Bad in every possible way, and totally worth it

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