he is doing wonders for based JQ types

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48146856)

They are all like this. See DBG, CSLG, or sealclubber. This is how they all are. These are not exceptions. This is them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48147372)

https://x.com/RabbiShmuley/status/1839545981248979029

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48146912)

Infuriating.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48146942)

i understand war, the necessity of the espirit du corps, whatever. but dancing around cheering and celebrating the routine murder of women and children is insane no matter the conflict

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48146923)

it's insane. they get a sick joy out of it. so many videos of ordinary israelis celebrating the deaths of civilians while turning around and telling us that "islam breeds hate"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48146940)

10/7 and since really exposed how vile and bloodthirsty they are. this isn't two groups of people trying to figure out how to live where they were born and get along. it's about jews oppressing and eradicating their neighbors and expanding endlessly while kvetching the entire time about how they're the victims.

i still don't think i'd intervene on behalf of the muslims but does the US have to back them and give them endless money to do apartheid in perpetuity?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48147084)

let's say that israel are the good guys and were trying to work with palestinians in good faith. how does the actions of who they themselves describe as a terrorist group justify obliterating everyone? it would be like if we nuked charlottesville because of the "domestic terrorists" there.

any and all criticism of their operations is met with accusations of "antisemite!" and "oh, so israel CAN'T DEFEND ITSELF?" there is literally nothing sealclubber and CGM types will not defend. they are completely allergic to arguing in good faith. 10/7 happened therefore no amount of brutalism is off the table. it's bloodthirsty retaliation against people who most had no involvement in hamas.

and when you point this out you just get met with scoffs and derision. i kind of want israel to exist and chill out because i don't see a plausible way israel disappears without the us getting involved in huge conflict. but they refuse consider whether criticism of their brutality is anything but antisemetic apologism.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48147254)

you're never going to win over the true kike sophists. but you at least have to *pretend* "not all jews haha" if you want to get enough support to turn the tides against israel's influence. because if it does come down to jews versus muslims as you predict, the us will go with "jews" if they can paint the pro-muslim people as antisemetic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48147333)

if we could find a way to point out that israel as a nation (but not all jews) are the bad guys and subverting our own nation, that'd be great. feuntes types that want to do the same thing to all jews that they are doing to all muzbros makes the anti-israel people easy to caricaturize and exactly why sealclubber and CGM types repeat "antisemite!" all the time. it's the same gameplan the made the GOP "the party of racism" for decades.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48147324)

of course virulent antisemitism cannot and should not be the mainstream position. but on xo, twitter, etc., you need to call a kike a kike when he disingenuously characterizes good-faith criticisms as antisemitism, and also at other times tbf lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48147543)

and if they killed that many, why are there so many fucking "holocaust survivors"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48147564)

you can argue the objective facts about what israel is doing without adding "and btw all jews are like that." i'm not a pollyanna and i know that stereotypes are broadly true. but at the same time i realize that there are always exceptions and regardless any identity based policy is repugnant to most people and therefore engaging in it is self-defeating if your goal is to actually move the needle.

i'd rather say "we should punish violent crime" without handicapping myself by adding "which is committed 10x more frequently by niggers."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48147568)

what you're arguing for inevitably leads to kikes subverting the "good jews" and destroying any momentum you might create.

i'm telling you, we have experience and we have history. this time will not be any different than it's ever been.

that said, of course any language that suggests "all jews are like that" isn't good language but that's because it's dumb and untrue, not because it's offensive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48147601)

i'll judge individuals as individuals and nations as nations. jews like chomsky and finklestein have done more to expose israel for being a brutal aggressor in the region than fuentes and co making ovens memes on twitter ever will.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48147651)

he is arguing that islam is based on the tenets of terrorism and pedophilia, which is verifiably untrue, while i'm not making any such claims about judaism, i'm saying that kikes (not jews) should be called kikes when they are being kikes in limited circumstances (online communities, etc.), but that "all jews are kikes" should not be the mainstream position. this is based on an understanding of these people that i think you lack.

i'd advise you also keep our relative vantage points in mind. he is arguing from a position of strength, as israel murders people by the thousands, and his argument is that we're all bad. i'm arguing from a position of weakness, and my argument is that the bad ones should be identified as such and isolated to the fringes where they belong so that adults can have a chance to reframe the debate. and you're saying we're just as morally repugnant as they are? lol c'mon man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48147672)

and my reasoning is practical. of course i don't actually give a fuck if people are offensive. but i don't want to alienate the midwit normies masses who have a better chance of getting redpilled on israel if twitter comments aren't full of kike pepe memes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48147702)

until israel acknowledges that they aren't innocent lambs and their neighbor's animus toward them isn't based on pure antisemitism there will be no progress. but that seems unlikely, given that even on anonymous message borts the zionists defend every atrocity israel commits.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48147113)

Look at how tiny Israel is compared to the land controlled by the Musbros. Really hard to believe that controlling yet more land is going to do it. What's more, Palestinians were offered a two state solution and rejected it. There demand is for everything and the extermination of every Jew on the planet. So Israel's options are war or to submit to being genocided by Muslims.

The war is 100% the fault of musbros. Not 90%. Not 99.9%. Not 99.999999%. We need to get to the point where muslims love their children more than they love murder. 13 centuries into the history of islam, we're still not there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48147337)

"israel is 100% right. as evidence of this, check out this map that shows that everyone is the region is against israel. we're outnumbered and surrounded! don't, uh, look at casualities or anything like that though haha. look how big sudan is! scary!!"

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thank you for rushing in to prove my point that zionists are the ones being unreasonable and are COMPLETELY INCAPABLE of recognizing they are anything but 100% a victim.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48147393)

also ljl at trying to use the history of muslims to demonize them today. jews have been excluded and expelled for thousands of years. do you really want to rely on how jews were perceived by our ancestors to judge jews today?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48147462)

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No, I want to rely on what muslims actually did. The twin pillars of the islamic faith are genocide and pedophilia. It's hardly shocking that they're continuing to engage in both to this very day. The islamic death cult divides the entire planet into two "houses": Area that has been conquered by islam, and area that will be conquered by islam. Israel just happens to be geographically convenient and hence is the target of nearly all the unprovoked islamic aggression.

"they continue to take land from palestinians. we've seen the conditions they've been forced to live in before 10/7. and we've seen how israel has retaliated since. instead of trying to defend it, you're just going to say "no, it isn't happening!""

This is all a lie. Israel voluntarily withdrew from Gaza, gave Palestinians control, and even donated food/water/electricity/fuel/medicine. This extreme charity was repaid with October 7. The islamic faith is completely structured around murder; it doesn't matter how "nice" you try to be. It's just impossible to make peace with a death cult. To the extent conditions are bad in musbro land, it's because islam is a miserable religion that makes everybody miserable, even its own adherents. The musbro world is welcome to renounce islam and join the civilized world at any time, they just refuse to do so.

By far the biggest challenge of the modern world is islam. You can have civilization or you can have islam, but you cannot have both.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48147535)

you've done a great job proving my point itt. i don't want to genocide the middle east. i want muslims to live however they want. idc that they have different values than me so long as they stay in musbro land. to that end, if you want defend your little scrap of land in the desert go for it. im not siding with a bunch of bloodthirsty lunatics who keep telling me to my face that the only solution is genocide while also saying that ACKSHUALLY they're humanitarians that just want to live in peace.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48147554)

No-- my "argument" is the observation muslims engage in conquest and war as a matter of course. Which is natural; their religion commands them to conquer the entire world. Blaming jews for being the victim of muslim aggression is crazy. It's obviously the case that either islam will prevail over civilization or civilization will prevail over islam; islamic ideology does not allow them to stay in their own musbro land, they have to conquer. So saying " idc that they have different values than me so long as they stay in musbro land" is a contradiction in terms; if you are not a musbro, they are planning to kill you. Your advocacy on behalf of musbros will do you no good, they'll just behead you last.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48147589)

the west bank and gaza is almost entirely muslim. i'm not buying the argument that israel settling these areas and keeping the muslims there under apartheid conditions is "defensive." it's clearly not.

israel has enjoyed nearly 100 years of endless support from the west. a nation that cannot protect itself has no right to exist. if you want to hold onto your patch of sand surrounded by musbros that's your choice. there is no reason for us to continue putting dollars and lives into the thresher. especially when you just lie about what you're doing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48147643)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48147546)

as far as the morals go, the entire premise of war is that neither side believes there is good faith on the other. saying that the solution is for one side to revert to some perceived "good faith" orientation is just to ignore the discourse. both sides have real grievances on their faces and do not want to lay down before the blood spilled by their kin. the moral differences are intractable and are not the point in any case, the moral arguments are merely a rhetorical tool, into which you've been pulled.

all that really matters is that arabs want a plot of land that another population resides in, that population does not want to give it up, and another power (iran) sees the former as a good proxy to start shit with to pursue its own objectives. saying that either side should acknowledge wrongdoing is suggesting that they should break the participatory moral theater, which they won't, they'll just keep pressuring each other until the calculated risks no longer make sense.

honestly the best thing for everyone in the short term would be for trump to win and tell everyone involved to cut this shit out or else. pussy ass biden / kamala don't have that power.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48147550)

the us has the power to dominate most of the world and steal their resources. i'm on team us and i would benefit from this. but i wouldn't support it. see? not that hard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48149760)

just because the question of moral superiority is nuanced and impossible to nail down objectively doesn't make the debate pointless. and it certainly doesn't mean that the only course of action is supporting whatever course the team you identify with goes. this type of hand-waving dismissiveness just serves to give powers carte blanche to do anything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48149910)

and it's not that the morality "isn't quantifiable."

the point is that saying that israel should act in "good faith" is just a nonsense statement that ignores the reality of the geopolitics on the ground, and of the nature of war itself.

short of literal "rape and pillage," questions of "good faith" go out the window in war. its perceived absence on both sides is why war starts. both sides have a moral claim that is incompatible with the other's getting up in arms about them is just spectator sport.

you seem to want to claim that israel's actions have been both immoral and tactically unwise from a PR standpoint. the former argument is not going to go anywhere. the latter argument can be made but that's a tactical question not worth getting emotional over, and frankly you wouldn't be my first choice for military tactician.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48150024)

any normal man would realize that the Jews are playing nice with these monkeys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48147492)

but sure go ahead and double down on me criticizing you for being glib and bloodthirsty by rebutting "lol the jews are playing nice with these monkeys."

every interaction i have with people like you is like this. you just come right out to demonstrate what i'm saying. it really is almost like a psyop. maybe tbf is behind TDNW, sealclubber, etc. you're cartoonishly evil and stupid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48147514)

since then they've collected themselves. they are really good at appearing thoughtful and reasonable as they advocate for brutal suppression of things against their self-interest.

i'm glad the xo jews are here because it's a nice little window into what's really going on in their minds when they say "oh i see your point but you know israel is our only ally in the region, are beset upon all sides, and have a right to defend themselves!" irl.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48147752)

-“The Palestinians started it” as though history began on October 7, 2023 or September 25, 2000 or whatever the start point for whatever conflict your discussing is. It’s as if everything before then is completely negligible and their is no context other than “Palestinians are completely evil” or “the world hates Jews”

-“Israel wants peace and would be happy to stay within its territory”, often stated completely earnestly and unironically, even as there was ongoing uprooting of Palestinians in the West Bank. Israel has been in a constant expansionary state since its founding

-"you’re applying double standards by requiring of Israel a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation," like bro we basically had to get shot at first in Afghanistan before we could shoot back, but Israel is dropping bombs in the middle of neighborhoods and killing children en masse. Israel has killed more kids in Gaza in the last year than the US killed in 20 years of occupying Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria combined.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48149532)

bro we weren't taking their land! in fact we were doing all sorts of aid and shit before these sand niggers attacked us completely unprovoked!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48149558)

history did not begin on 10/7, but i also don't know what isreal is supposed to do after that, or what you think isreal is supposed to do when Hezbollah fires thousands of rockets at it. if you are a country and you are invaded, you have to respond in kind or greater. if you are a country and have thousands of rockets fired at it, you respond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48149546)

paralegal muhammad would agree that all of the shitty arab failed states are the result of isreal.

they have been under attack since they started their country. all of their territorial expansions occurred after they defeated invading countries.

it can be true that israelis believe they are superior to arabs (and everyone else) and also that israelis are responding to attacks as any other country would do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48149562)

regarding the failed arab states, find me one besides turkey that allows its people to govern the place? most are dictatorships who have been propped up at different times by the CIA in order to... oh that's right, prevent the people in those countries from running them and threatening israel's existence in the process. no shortage of once great middle eastern cities that lie in rubble today, why do you think that happened to coincide with the creation of israel in 1948?

they hate iran because they can't control it. cia backed the shah and khomeini took over.

they hate turkey because it's a democracy and the elected leadership hates israel.

they killed saddam even though he had nothing to do with 9/11 because he outspokenly hated israel.

"all of their territorial expansions occurred after they defeated invading countries"

explain the settlements then kike?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48149616)

arab countries' natural states are to revert to islamic dictators and backwards cultural practices. its true everywhere there are arabs, including in parts of the west where arabs have immigrated to.

what happens when pakistanis move in throngs to england? you get pakistani rape gangs, an explosion of birth deformities because they marry their first cousins, and enormous amounts of arabs on welfare that was meant for westerners. why? because its there for the taking.

it stems from the same deep seeded resentment at the superiority of the west as the rest of the third world. third worlders cannot accept that they bear responsibility for their own lives and countries.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48149709)

I dont know what "hasbara" means because I am a westerner who was born in the west. My ancestors were also born in the west.

what shitty country did your ancestors come from?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48149731)

how can you not at least admit that our operations in the middle east has had *SOME* impact? if it didn't, what would have been the point? it's impossible to know how much of their circumstances are a result of western interference. but it's certain our bullshit there has had *SOME* impact.

how about we just, you know, leave? you complain about muslims moving to the west and shit and then want to continue to meddle in their bullshit. if they are as backwards and retarded as you claim, they why are you so invested in being all up in their shit?

paralegal mo isn't asking for reparations or anything. he's just asking us to gtfo. if you have such a low opinion of muzzies, why are you so against this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48149748)

these morons really believe our presence in the middle east is anything but economic imperialism. they think it's about culture? western supremacy? lmao it's about exerting our influence onto other people to capture their resources. that's why we don't give a shit about africa even though they are even more "backwards failed states" than the middle east.

i can't believe how many people are deepthroating gc because they think this about sticking it to muzbros. we have been propping up every muzbro that will ally with us for decades. neocon gc ghouls will swear fealty to the koran of they get a good deal on oil.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48149837)

Also here you go. See any jewish blood? https://ibb.co/jvd1TnS

I know, shocking to learn that non-jews don't like you arabs either.

Now let's see yours, Muhammad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48149894)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/World-iq-map-lynn-2002.svg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48149954)

who does he think is responsible for these immigration policies? it's the same fucking gc ghouls adventuring in the east. this is just the next stage of gc exploitation. first they exploit these nations abroad and now they're opening up the floodgates to domesticate the gc economic slave caste at home.

somehow people get tricked into blaming the people rationally immigrating to a place that has more opportunity than the hook nosed third base coaches waving them in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48149945)

whether intentional or not your support of israel is also support of open borders and shit. why are you so tethered to the idea that israel/west is not responsible in any way for the state of the middle east? this type of apologism serves the interests of the people you profess to be against. and i don't understand how someone could even think that. our decades of intervention into the region has to have had *some* impact. admitting that isn't the same as saying the middle east would be a bustling utopia otherwise and blaming the west for everything wrong in the world.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48150045)

lol at paralegal muhammad not asking for reparations. throngs of arabs have sucked up western welfare and received tremendous amounts of reparations. of course he believes that the middle east is entitled to tons more western reparations.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48149817)

would the middle east be a bustling utopia but for israel and the west? of course not. but you also can't pretend that our influence there has had no impact on the middle east.

also, note that i'm saying the west not not just laying it all on israel. the west created israel and supported israel. but just because we have the original sin doesn't mean we are duty bound to support and pay for every israeli atrocity forever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#48149619)