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🚨KARLSTACK DEBATE WATCH PARTY THURSDAY 8/13 AT 10 AM PST🚨

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_BeXUy_RYM BE THERE
maniacal mentally impaired forum
  08/12/26
This is a Big Deal
Balding weed whacker
  08/12/26
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maniacal mentally impaired forum
  08/12/26
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Seedy Site Son Of Senegal
  08/13/26
Why tf is it premiering at a certain time? Wasn't in recorde...
Abusive passionate range
  08/12/26
Because Karlstack got absolutely smashed and they were too s...
maniacal mentally impaired forum
  08/12/26
He's clearly taller than his opponent
Abusive passionate range
  08/12/26
Yeah but they're sitting down and the other guy has sick sun...
maniacal mentally impaired forum
  08/12/26
Sign of weakness. Like wearing sunglasses playing poker. We ...
Abusive passionate range
  08/12/26
This should be on pay per view
white talented reading party
  08/12/26
...
maniacal mentally impaired forum
  08/12/26
Just want to say: fuck all you motherfuckers https://www....
contagious base
  08/12/26
im hosting a zoom meeting for based chads. it's $5 per head ...
Balding weed whacker
  08/12/26
1 waiting
vermilion stage juggernaut
  08/13/26
This is going to Change Everything.
maniacal mentally impaired forum
  08/13/26
FIVE MINUTES TILL SHOWTIME
vermilion stage juggernaut
  08/13/26
thousands - maybe even millions - of Liberal Artists are tun...
maniacal mentally impaired forum
  08/13/26
3 people watching. Timer counted to 0 then did a 10-second c...
lake corner
  08/13/26
How did he end up on the wrong side of this one
Lascivious stubborn really tough guy
  08/13/26
Douchebag opening with an ad hominem against Karl
lake corner
  08/13/26
that was a great point and very convincing actually
maniacal mentally impaired forum
  08/13/26
I’m gonna shut this off when I finish taking my dump b...
lake corner
  08/13/26
you should go back to canada imho
maniacal mentally impaired forum
  08/13/26
Yeah most voters are high IQ
Lascivious stubborn really tough guy
  08/13/26
Should just ban retards from voting not make voting retard o...
lake corner
  08/13/26
Unfortunately he cooked here
vermilion stage juggernaut
  08/13/26
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Motley Charcoal Resort Sweet Tailpipe
  08/13/26
A lot of stores in my hometown opened late to allow people t...
mischievous fragrant coffee pot alpha
  08/13/26
oh no this guy is out alphaing karl RED ALERT RED ALERT
maniacal mentally impaired forum
  08/13/26
this is bad.
Motley Charcoal Resort Sweet Tailpipe
  08/13/26
conceding the driving is a right? This isn’t going wel...
Motley Charcoal Resort Sweet Tailpipe
  08/13/26
Who's the douchebag?
Hyperventilating Lavender Library
  08/13/26
ok this other guy totally sucks hard to believe that karl...
maniacal mentally impaired forum
  08/13/26
"There's a guy in the military right now with no legs.&...
maniacal mentally impaired forum
  08/13/26
Can someone make an AI slop vid of "retards scuffling&q...
Hyperventilating Lavender Library
  08/13/26
Strong finish bud!
Hyperventilating Lavender Library
  08/13/26
derp
obsidian nofapping indian lodge
  08/13/26
jfc horrific ending to the opening portion for karlstack ...
maniacal mentally impaired forum
  08/13/26
man this other guy is a total fucking idiot and he may actua...
maniacal mentally impaired forum
  08/13/26
"My opponent is arguing a Nietzschean position-" ...
maniacal mentally impaired forum
  08/13/26
karlstack was far from perfect but he definitely did a bette...
maniacal mentally impaired forum
  08/13/26
...
obsidian nofapping indian lodge
  08/13/26
180
Balding weed whacker
  08/13/26
you can vote here: https://www.izivote.com/v/glenn-vs-c...
obsidian nofapping indian lodge
  08/13/26
Same
Hyperventilating Lavender Library
  08/13/26
randomly watched 10 seconds and Karl couldn't figure out 'ne...
thriller ticket booth
  08/13/26
yeah neither could the other guy nor the debate moderator lm...
maniacal mentally impaired forum
  08/13/26
...
Hyperventilating Lavender Library
  08/13/26
...
Motley Charcoal Resort Sweet Tailpipe
  08/13/26
thoroughly embarrassing for all involved, holy shit this was...
olive curious church building
  08/13/26
...
lake corner
  08/13/26
...
obsidian nofapping indian lodge
  08/13/26
...
maniacal mentally impaired forum
  08/13/26
Will his brown wife be attending?
jet bespoke international law enforcement agency
  08/13/26
I want to murder both of you, and I'm only 25 minutes in. Bu...
contagious base
  08/13/26
Some people aren't meant to be experienced in audiovisual fo...
Cerebral lemon school puppy
  08/13/26
all his friends are telling him he can learn
Balding weed whacker
  08/13/26
He's putting himself out there and trying to improve. Also t...
Abusive passionate range
  08/13/26
you are so fucking retarded it's unreal
Balding weed whacker
  08/13/26
(shortmo)
Abusive passionate range
  08/13/26
eat shit vivek
Balding weed whacker
  08/13/26
now hold on there bucko
maniacal mentally impaired forum
  08/13/26
...
Balding weed whacker
  08/13/26
Youre in the belly of the beast now, a postmodern hellscape ...
Lascivious stubborn really tough guy
  08/13/26
Karl needs to do all of his debates under that mug shot heig...
white talented reading party
  08/14/26
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Embarrassed to the bone mind-boggling sanctuary cuckoldry
  08/14/26
You guys all need to vote for karlstack btw. So he can make ...
maniacal mentally impaired forum
  08/14/26


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Date: August 12th, 2026 2:14 PM
Author: maniacal mentally impaired forum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_BeXUy_RYM

BE THERE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50063753)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 2:14 PM
Author: Balding weed whacker

This is a Big Deal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50063755)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 4:23 PM
Author: maniacal mentally impaired forum



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50064056)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 10:53 AM
Author: Seedy Site Son Of Senegal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065376)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 2:19 PM
Author: Abusive passionate range

Why tf is it premiering at a certain time? Wasn't in recorded months ago?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50063759)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 2:21 PM
Author: maniacal mentally impaired forum

Because Karlstack got absolutely smashed and they were too scared to let it play live because it would have led to public outcry

I will still be Voting for him as the Winner though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50063763)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 2:23 PM
Author: Abusive passionate range

He's clearly taller than his opponent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50063768)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 2:31 PM
Author: maniacal mentally impaired forum

Yeah but they're sitting down and the other guy has sick sunglasses on

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50063784)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 3:24 PM
Author: Abusive passionate range

Sign of weakness. Like wearing sunglasses playing poker. We all know how terrified his eyes are behind the lenses from Karlstacks unblinking autistic stare down

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50063881)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 2:31 PM
Author: white talented reading party

This should be on pay per view

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50063782)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 6:53 PM
Author: maniacal mentally impaired forum



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50064392)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 4:28 PM
Author: contagious base

Just want to say: fuck all you motherfuckers

https://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891113&mc=1&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50064071)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 7:50 PM
Author: Balding weed whacker

im hosting a zoom meeting for based chads. it's $5 per head entry fee. $10 if you want to be unmuted.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50064496)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 10:53 AM
Author: vermilion stage juggernaut

1 waiting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065375)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 10:59 AM
Author: maniacal mentally impaired forum

This is going to Change Everything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065387)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 12:55 PM
Author: vermilion stage juggernaut

FIVE MINUTES TILL SHOWTIME

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065567)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:03 PM
Author: maniacal mentally impaired forum

thousands - maybe even millions - of Liberal Artists are tuning in to this clash of intellects RIGHT NOW

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065583)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:03 PM
Author: lake corner

3 people watching. Timer counted to 0 then did a 10-second countdown and then started another 60-second countdown. wtf is this bush league shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065585)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:05 PM
Author: Lascivious stubborn really tough guy

How did he end up on the wrong side of this one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065594)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:06 PM
Author: lake corner

Douchebag opening with an ad hominem against Karl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065602)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:07 PM
Author: maniacal mentally impaired forum

that was a great point and very convincing actually

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065605)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:08 PM
Author: lake corner

I’m gonna shut this off when I finish taking my dump but I hope Karl brings up how ppl in the military are by and large low IQ and this will lead to ruin if these dumbasses are the only ones that can vote

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065610)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:09 PM
Author: maniacal mentally impaired forum

you should go back to canada imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065612)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:11 PM
Author: Lascivious stubborn really tough guy

Yeah most voters are high IQ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065622)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:12 PM
Author: lake corner

Should just ban retards from voting not make voting retard only

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065627)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:08 PM
Author: vermilion stage juggernaut

Unfortunately he cooked here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065608)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:11 PM
Author: Motley Charcoal Resort Sweet Tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065618)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:12 PM
Author: mischievous fragrant coffee pot alpha

A lot of stores in my hometown opened late to allow people to watch the debate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065629)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:18 PM
Author: maniacal mentally impaired forum

oh no this guy is out alphaing karl RED ALERT RED ALERT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065640)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:19 PM
Author: Motley Charcoal Resort Sweet Tailpipe

this is bad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065649)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:19 PM
Author: Motley Charcoal Resort Sweet Tailpipe

conceding the driving is a right? This isn’t going well so far

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065644)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:24 PM
Author: Hyperventilating Lavender Library

Who's the douchebag?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065663)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:26 PM
Author: maniacal mentally impaired forum

ok this other guy totally sucks

hard to believe that karlstack doesn't win this regardless of how well he performs from here on out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065669)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:27 PM
Author: maniacal mentally impaired forum

"There's a guy in the military right now with no legs."

Wow. B O O M.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065672)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:28 PM
Author: Hyperventilating Lavender Library

Can someone make an AI slop vid of "retards scuffling"? Use Grok

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065676)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:31 PM
Author: Hyperventilating Lavender Library

Strong finish bud!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065686)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:37 PM
Author: obsidian nofapping indian lodge

derp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065707)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:32 PM
Author: maniacal mentally impaired forum

jfc horrific ending to the opening portion for karlstack

this other guy is such a retard though

really a battle of Intellectual Liberal Artist Titans here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065691)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:49 PM
Author: maniacal mentally impaired forum

man this other guy is a total fucking idiot and he may actually win this

really calls to mind nick fuentes's rants about the goyim being so stupid they deserve to lose

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065748)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 2:06 PM
Author: maniacal mentally impaired forum

"My opponent is arguing a Nietzschean position-"

oh no

also this isn't even true lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065786)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 2:18 PM
Author: maniacal mentally impaired forum

karlstack was far from perfect but he definitely did a better job then the other guy, who was fucking awful

i will unironically be voting for karlstack as the Winner of that "debate"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065810)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 2:21 PM
Author: obsidian nofapping indian lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065817)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 2:21 PM
Author: Balding weed whacker

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065819)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 2:23 PM
Author: obsidian nofapping indian lodge

you can vote here:

https://www.izivote.com/v/glenn-vs-chris

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50065823)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 5:35 PM
Author: Hyperventilating Lavender Library

Same

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50066184)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 5:55 PM
Author: thriller ticket booth

randomly watched 10 seconds and Karl couldn't figure out 'necessary but not sufficient'

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50066215)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 5:56 PM
Author: maniacal mentally impaired forum

yeah neither could the other guy nor the debate moderator lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50066216)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 6:04 PM
Author: Hyperventilating Lavender Library



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50066222)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 7:44 PM
Author: Motley Charcoal Resort Sweet Tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50066437)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 6:07 PM
Author: olive curious church building

thoroughly embarrassing for all involved, holy shit this was awful

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50066225)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 6:07 PM
Author: lake corner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50066226)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 6:08 PM
Author: obsidian nofapping indian lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50066227)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 6:15 PM
Author: maniacal mentally impaired forum



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50066236)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 6:10 PM
Author: jet bespoke international law enforcement agency

Will his brown wife be attending?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50066228)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 6:22 PM
Author: contagious base

I want to murder both of you, and I'm only 25 minutes in. But it's impressive the back and forth exchange didn't devolve worse than it did

I'm surprised you didn't return back to your opening statement precepts yet. Those precepts should be your talking points that you can return to if you get asked about shit that you don't exactly know how to handle or aren't sure how to answer because you don't immediately know how it interacts with your position. Keep that in mind for the future, so you're not flailing around unsure of what to say (when in doubt, pick the nearest/most apt talking point and use it to help address the question)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50066252)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 6:24 PM
Author: Cerebral lemon school puppy

Some people aren't meant to be experienced in audiovisual format. You just don't have "it" for the talking game friendo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50066254)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 6:24 PM
Author: Balding weed whacker

all his friends are telling him he can learn

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50066255)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 8:23 PM
Author: Abusive passionate range

He's putting himself out there and trying to improve. Also there's tons of people like Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro that are weird, have no presence, odd voices, etc that have done well. Karl is Tall.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50066536)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 8:23 PM
Author: Balding weed whacker

you are so fucking retarded it's unreal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50066537)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 8:25 PM
Author: Abusive passionate range

(shortmo)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50066544)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 8:26 PM
Author: Balding weed whacker

eat shit vivek

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50066545)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 8:27 PM
Author: maniacal mentally impaired forum

now hold on there bucko

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50066547)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 8:54 PM
Author: Balding weed whacker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50066640)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 8:48 PM
Author: Lascivious stubborn really tough guy

Youre in the belly of the beast now, a postmodern hellscape man!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50066610)



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Date: August 14th, 2026 1:45 PM
Author: white talented reading party

Karl needs to do all of his debates under that mug shot height chart

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50067916)



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Date: August 14th, 2026 3:52 PM
Author: Embarrassed to the bone mind-boggling sanctuary cuckoldry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310684",#50068266)



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Date: August 14th, 2026 3:44 PM
Author: maniacal mentally impaired forum

You guys all need to vote for karlstack btw. So he can make it to the next round and we can all laugh at his performance again

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