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Date: August 2nd, 2024 12:06 PM Author: Dun deep macaca doctorate
Shitlibs who only know other shitlibs, and the Republicans in their lives are all incognito, can't imagine that everyone isn't as excited about Kamala is they are. It's really obvious that the swing state voters in the middle of the country are not going to go for Kamala's brand of coastal elite progressivism.
My favorite Joe Manchin quote is when he nixed Pelosi's massive spending bill and Bret Baier asked him if he was really a Democrat. He said, "In West Virginia we're a different kind of Democrat I guess than they are in San Francisco."
Shitlibs about to find out that there are different kinds of Democrats, ones who don't ascribe to the particular values of Northern California.
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 1:29 PM Author: Vigorous base
I can smell the panic in this thread
Oh btw. Trumpmos aren’t the “silent majority” anymore. They’re louder and more obnoxious than ever + they were never the majority.
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Date: August 8th, 2024 2:28 PM Author: Dun deep macaca doctorate
I have Trump winning PA even if he loses Michigan and Wisconsin. I did a deep dive on the state.
Some unreported facts about PA the media will never tell you: Trump did better in Philadelphia County in 2020 than he did against Hillary in 2016. The whole blacks didn't turn out for Hillary thing is a myth. Trump shaved a point off of Biden. He's made even more inroads with minorities sense then. Any split in Philadelphia County that does less than 80/20 could potentially sink the state for Kamala. The idea that she will get 2008 Obama level turnout from dindus is also a farce. Polling data shows that Trump is up bigly with the urban demo. He's been building this big tent coalition for a long time. And remember, even a few percentage points can sink the Dem ticket, here. The whole state is a razor thin margin. No Dem can have any doubts about the ticket. GOP enthusiasm is higher according to polls.
Secondly you might ask how tf did Biden win if he did slightly worse in Philadelphia? Almost entirely because of Montgomery and Allagheny counties. This came down to Dems doing about 5 pts better than they did in 2016. These are mostly wealthy suburban white people.
Kamala has to win suburban wine moms by a wide margin. The problem here for Dems is that the ticket has completely alienated white men, and young men. For every barren megashrew in a pussy hat, there's a white guy who lives on the Main Line who sees absolutely nothing for him in the Harris Walz ticket. They've run so far the left that they have no middle. These people have had 4 years to see how bad Philly has gotten with Soros DA and Kensington falling to ruin. These dudes are mostly salt of the Earth yokels. Megan Thee Stallion booty shaking is not doing anything for them.
So I think that Kamala alienating white dudes is going to nix whatever gains from the uber motivated yas kween megashrew crowd. If Montgomery County tips back to a more equitable split and Philly nignogs are a little bit more on the Trump train, it's over. It will likely come down to less than 100k votes. But Trump has some strong fundamentals here.
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Date: August 8th, 2024 3:05 PM Author: white stage stain
I can tone down my bitchiness, though I don’t really want to, but I am curious about your serious answers to two questions, and appreciate your actual analysis re PA above.
1) are you aware of how much the population has shifted rural to urban and non-college to college-degreed in PA between 2016 and now?
2) how does the fact that PA has legalized full ballot harvesting and has Dems at all levels of final decision making for all election law enforcement in 2024 included in your analysis?
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Date: August 8th, 2024 3:13 PM Author: Dun deep macaca doctorate
1) No. Seems well overblown. Ya all the angry hicks went to Penn and are trans now. Seems overstated. Just look at Butler rally. Tons of hicks still. I just met a couple from Pittsburgh who said they are huge Joe Rogan fans. Stop getting too sucked into the narrative. I didn't say it was impossible for either candidate to win let's just acknowledge that it's a tossup and we don't really know until people fill out their ballots.
2) No clue. I just hope they stick to the rules set in stone ahead of time. No last minute switcheroos. As long as the rules are set ahead of time then it's fair. I'll be worried if they pull the rug out at the last minute.
Bonus Dr. Oz was a terrible, unlikeable candidate. He lost by 5 pts. I think this is indicative of where the PA electorate is. I'm confident that Trump is a much better candidate than Oz was. As such this is going to be another photo finish. Anyone who says they're absolutely sure it's a lock is kidding themselves. This is truly a swing state. Just accept it. The voters can go one way or the other. That's just reality.
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Date: August 8th, 2024 3:32 PM Author: white stage stain
Electorate in 2022 is completely different anyway, so you’re right that any Dems drawing conclusions from that election are being dumb. But the larger point is that the swing voters who decide POTUS years, as you point out, are likely to be ring county suburban parents. It would of course be massive if Trump made big gains with blacks in Philly, but though Megan Thee Stallion may not do much for the bros on the main line, I suspect she and Quavo will do more to help with Philly black dudes, as will 500 more black surrogates who are now all in to get Kamala elected, see also the first black POTUS. Meanwhile since 2016 roughly 800k people (mostly white, mostly non-college) have died and closer to 1M have turned 18, and most high school grads in PA get college degrees, a trend that shows signs of slowing, but likely peaked within the last few years. And those suburban ring county voters have not voted in an election with Trump on the ballot since Jan 6th or the indictments or the felony convictions. It seems like hopium out the ass to think that these suburban voters are going to deliver PA by swinging back to Trump after they turned away from him in 2020 and he has given them many reasons to not go back to him since.
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Date: August 8th, 2024 3:49 PM Author: Dun deep macaca doctorate
It's neither hopium nor copium nor whatever you want to call it. It's a swing state and we don't know what these people will do. They decided the last two elections and are likely to decide a third. It's split down the middle. I think it's unreasonable to make any assumptions about the hardest to capture demo in the entire American electorate. Being "sure" of anything is asinine. I said I was confident, not that I was right. You can be confident on the 1 yard line in the Super Bowl and somehow not run Marshawn Lynch and still lose. Being confident has to do with your attitude. I could be horribly wrong, but so could you. That's what's so silly about all the Kamala gravedancing. I think if you were really 100% sure about Kamala your side wouldn't be spamming every minute (often irrelevant) data point.
The point of my OP is that Democrats have a history of calling their shot and then losing. Nixon in '68 shocked the left. Same in 2016. "I'm 100000% sure that these people will always under every circumstance vote the way I think they will" is not in tune with the history of American politics writ large. Yeah, sometimes the pollsters are right. But sometimes they're wrong. I think for your own sanity maybe consider that you don't know your neighbor as well as you think they do.
I consider all potential outcomes, including ones I don't like. I think there's at least a 30% chance something totally bonkers and unforeseen could happen in this election. For example if we woke up the next day and Louisiana was blue and Oregon was red. I mean, who the hell knows? Embrace chaos brother (or sister). Don't underestimate the possibility of people surprising you. Nate Silver said his biggest mistake was thinking it was impossible Trump could win the 2016 GOP primary. Even our smartest minds cannot predict human nature. Everything is on the table.
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