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Mommy GF Battle: Elizabeth Shue vs Heather Graham (vote)

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Hideous irradiated boiling water organic girlfriend
  01/29/26
I prefer Ally Walker circa early 90’s
violet bull headed dysfunction resort
  01/29/26
938833837478383748938474883838478837478487
chest-beating magenta hospital
  01/29/26
holy fuck, she was hot as hell: https://ibb.co/xq3zN1Gh
violet bull headed dysfunction resort
  03/05/26
WOW, just wow. Silently judging every single (1) thread I've...
chest-beating magenta hospital
  03/05/26
...
violet bull headed dysfunction resort
  03/05/26
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chest-beating magenta hospital
  03/05/26
I vote yes.
soul-stirring navy private investor weed whacker
  01/29/26
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Bronze boyish lay new version
  01/29/26
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chest-beating magenta hospital
  01/29/26
...
chest-beating magenta hospital
  01/29/26
My friend is wondering how much it'd cost to have them recor...
Bronze boyish lay new version
  01/29/26
😹😹😹
chest-beating magenta hospital
  01/29/26
Modernity is 180, absolutely apropos of nothing 🐶
chest-beating magenta hospital
  01/29/26
...
Bronze boyish lay new version
  01/29/26
...
chest-beating magenta hospital
  01/29/26
I am going to hypothesize that the transaction price here is...
soul-stirring navy private investor weed whacker
  01/29/26
🤯🤯🤯
chest-beating magenta hospital
  01/29/26
...
Bronze boyish lay new version
  01/29/26
...
chest-beating magenta hospital
  01/29/26
They better stack that bread asap cause AI will make this ob...
Bronze boyish lay new version
  01/29/26
Okay, I lol'd
chest-beating magenta hospital
  01/29/26
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...,....,,........
  03/13/26
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things from the 90s/00s so ethereal and dreamlike:
  03/13/26
going to have to go with heather graham here, she really def...
Frum iridescent location regret
  01/29/26
MFCR
Hideous irradiated boiling water organic girlfriend
  01/29/26
...
chest-beating magenta hospital
  01/29/26
I would like to wake up on a sunny morning to find Elizabeth...
vigorous disrespectful wagecucks
  01/29/26
“todays newspaper carried by my just-back-from-walk do...
chest-beating magenta hospital
  01/29/26
...
Hideous irradiated boiling water organic girlfriend
  01/29/26
...
chest-beating magenta hospital
  01/29/26
...
lavender filthpig box office
  01/30/26
...
chest-beating magenta hospital
  01/30/26
(Ally Sheedy's agent)
Bronze boyish lay new version
  01/29/26
Okay, I lol’d
chest-beating magenta hospital
  01/29/26
tubgirl forever
flushed provocative cumskin corner
  01/29/26
...
...,....,,........
  03/13/26
...
things from the 90s/00s so ethereal and dreamlike:
  03/13/26
Why did.t you walk with your GOODBOY golden?
alcoholic party of the first part
  01/29/26
Cq 🤔🧐🐶
chest-beating magenta hospital
  01/29/26
Alley Sheedy poked her head through my bedroom door and whis...
vigorous disrespectful wagecucks
  01/30/26
“I understand and wish to continue” 🐶
chest-beating magenta hospital
  01/30/26
...
...,....,,........
  03/13/26
...
things from the 90s/00s so ethereal and dreamlike:
  03/13/26
ITT: gorgeous men
chest-beating magenta hospital
  01/29/26
...
violet bull headed dysfunction resort
  01/29/26
...
chest-beating magenta hospital
  01/29/26
...
violet bull headed dysfunction resort
  03/05/26
...
Trust If Aryan
  03/13/26
Heather Graham has hung in there for a while and still a str...
Cracking volcanic crater
  01/29/26
She's lost a step, but she had so many steps to begin with. ...
burgundy karate
  01/30/26
Similar to Autoadmit / XOXOhth / ZoZo come to think of it - ...
chest-beating magenta hospital
  01/30/26
Heather
sick hunting ground forum
  01/29/26
Rollergirl
Coral church building
  01/29/26
...
chest-beating magenta hospital
  01/30/26
...
chest-beating magenta hospital
  02/01/26
Mommy Milkers https://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/En...
sick hunting ground forum
  02/01/26
180
chest-beating magenta hospital
  02/10/26
...
Hideous irradiated boiling water organic girlfriend
  03/05/26
...
chest-beating magenta hospital
  03/05/26
also, JoBeth Williams from the Poltergeist tp: https://ibb....
violet bull headed dysfunction resort
  03/05/26
https://historicimages.com/cdn/shop/products/MVA14339_1200x....
chest-beating magenta hospital
  03/05/26
jfc, jfc. she's like the hottest yet simultaneously oldes...
violet bull headed dysfunction resort
  03/05/26
Probably why she aged so well - was born a hot 40 year old a...
chest-beating magenta hospital
  03/05/26
a real Cheryl Hines vibe, ngl tp
violet bull headed dysfunction resort
  03/05/26
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
chest-beating magenta hospital
  03/05/26
Just looked her up and she's aged very gracefully, whoa - wh...
chest-beating magenta hospital
  03/05/26
modern goyslop phenotypes perpetuating tp
violet bull headed dysfunction resort
  03/05/26
The phenotypes of modernity are 180... tp
chest-beating magenta hospital
  03/05/26
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things from the 90s/00s so ethereal and dreamlike:
  03/13/26


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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:49 PM
Author: Hideous irradiated boiling water organic girlfriend

https://telegrafi.com/media-library/2022-09-elisabeth-png.png?id=58045890&width=1245&height=700&quality=90&coordinates=0%2C0%2C0%2C0

vs

https://www.instagram.com/p/DLn9kCAIMXP/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49630594)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:50 PM
Author: violet bull headed dysfunction resort

I prefer Ally Walker circa early 90’s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49630598)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:54 PM
Author: chest-beating magenta hospital

938833837478383748938474883838478837478487

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49630615)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 6:02 PM
Author: violet bull headed dysfunction resort

holy fuck, she was hot as hell:

https://ibb.co/xq3zN1Gh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49719000)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 6:03 PM
Author: chest-beating magenta hospital

WOW, just wow. Silently judging every single (1) thread I've ever made and looking unironically gorgeous while doing it tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49719002)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 6:04 PM
Author: violet bull headed dysfunction resort



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49719007)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 6:14 PM
Author: chest-beating magenta hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49719067)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:52 PM
Author: soul-stirring navy private investor weed whacker

I vote yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49630606)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:53 PM
Author: Bronze boyish lay new version



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49630610)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:54 PM
Author: chest-beating magenta hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49630616)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 2:19 PM
Author: chest-beating magenta hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49630721)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:54 PM
Author: Bronze boyish lay new version

My friend is wondering how much it'd cost to have them record a Cameo where they are doing laundry and they find his disgusting bed sheets and scold him for them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49630620)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:55 PM
Author: chest-beating magenta hospital

😹😹😹

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49630623)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:55 PM
Author: chest-beating magenta hospital

Modernity is 180, absolutely apropos of nothing 🐶

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49630624)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 2:03 PM
Author: Bronze boyish lay new version



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49630666)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 2:04 PM
Author: chest-beating magenta hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49630670)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 2:01 PM
Author: soul-stirring navy private investor weed whacker

I am going to hypothesize that the transaction price here is well within reach for many, but that if scaled across the total addressable market would surpass the earning potential of any late-career actress and permit the top tier of mommy actresses to buy any Tuscan villa or wine country retreat that they prefer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49630651)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 2:02 PM
Author: chest-beating magenta hospital

🤯🤯🤯

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49630656)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 2:03 PM
Author: Bronze boyish lay new version



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49630665)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 2:05 PM
Author: chest-beating magenta hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49630673)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 3:17 PM
Author: Bronze boyish lay new version

They better stack that bread asap cause AI will make this obsolete very soon IMO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49630991)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 10:53 PM
Author: chest-beating magenta hospital

Okay, I lol'd

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49632135)



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Date: March 13th, 2026 9:10 PM
Author: ...,....,,........



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49741331)



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Date: March 13th, 2026 9:48 PM
Author: things from the 90s/00s so ethereal and dreamlike:



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49741381)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:55 PM
Author: Frum iridescent location regret

going to have to go with heather graham here, she really defied expectations. her phenotype typically doesn't age that well

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49630625)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:57 PM
Author: Hideous irradiated boiling water organic girlfriend

MFCR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49630637)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 2:02 PM
Author: chest-beating magenta hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49630662)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:57 PM
Author: vigorous disrespectful wagecucks

I would like to wake up on a sunny morning to find Elizabeth Shue in my kitchen making me scrambled eggs and coffee. As I gaze out at the beautiful day, I would see Heather Graham in shorts and a tank top mowing my lawn. Then I'd turn around and find Ally Sheedy coming into the livingroom with a basket of freshly folded laundry and todays newspaper carried by my just-back-from-walk dog whose fluffy golden tail cannot stop wagging.

That is what I would like. I would really like that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49630638)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 2:02 PM
Author: chest-beating magenta hospital

“todays newspaper carried by my just-back-from-walk dog whose golden tail cannot stop wagging”

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49630661)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 2:06 PM
Author: Hideous irradiated boiling water organic girlfriend



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49630675)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 2:07 PM
Author: chest-beating magenta hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49630678)



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Date: January 30th, 2026 11:45 AM
Author: lavender filthpig box office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49632930)



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Date: January 30th, 2026 8:24 PM
Author: chest-beating magenta hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49634530)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 2:04 PM
Author: Bronze boyish lay new version

(Ally Sheedy's agent)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49630668)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 2:05 PM
Author: chest-beating magenta hospital

Okay, I lol’d

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49630672)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 3:17 PM
Author: flushed provocative cumskin corner

tubgirl forever

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49630994)



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Date: March 13th, 2026 9:11 PM
Author: ...,....,,........



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49741333)



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Date: March 13th, 2026 9:48 PM
Author: things from the 90s/00s so ethereal and dreamlike:



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49741384)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 6:28 PM
Author: alcoholic party of the first part

Why did.t you walk with your GOODBOY golden?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49631517)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 10:09 PM
Author: chest-beating magenta hospital

Cq 🤔🧐🐶

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49632032)



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Date: January 30th, 2026 8:11 PM
Author: vigorous disrespectful wagecucks

Alley Sheedy poked her head through my bedroom door and whispered, "Just sleep in this morning hon, I'll tkae GOODBOY out for his walk. We'll get you a paper. Shhhh, sleep now." then gently closed the door.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49634480)



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Date: January 30th, 2026 8:23 PM
Author: chest-beating magenta hospital

“I understand and wish to continue” 🐶

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49634528)



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Date: March 13th, 2026 9:11 PM
Author: ...,....,,........



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49741334)



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Date: March 13th, 2026 9:48 PM
Author: things from the 90s/00s so ethereal and dreamlike:



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49741383)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 2:25 PM
Author: chest-beating magenta hospital

ITT: gorgeous men

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49630755)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 10:27 PM
Author: violet bull headed dysfunction resort



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49632064)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 10:32 PM
Author: chest-beating magenta hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49632079)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 6:04 PM
Author: violet bull headed dysfunction resort



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49719008)



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Date: March 13th, 2026 10:03 PM
Author: Trust If Aryan



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49741428)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 3:13 PM
Author: Cracking volcanic crater

Heather Graham has hung in there for a while and still a strong 1 on the binary scale but the cracks are really showing now and it’s just about over.

Subjective 10/10 in her prime. Objective 9/10 at least?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49630976)



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Date: January 30th, 2026 12:46 AM
Author: burgundy karate

She's lost a step, but she had so many steps to begin with.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49632274)



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Date: January 30th, 2026 11:37 AM
Author: chest-beating magenta hospital

Similar to Autoadmit / XOXOhth / ZoZo come to think of it - gorgeous wealth in all senses of the word

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49632909)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 10:07 PM
Author: sick hunting ground forum

Heather

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49632021)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 10:11 PM
Author: Coral church building

Rollergirl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49632043)



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Date: January 30th, 2026 5:44 PM
Author: chest-beating magenta hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49634103)



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Date: February 1st, 2026 8:20 PM
Author: chest-beating magenta hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49639754)



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Date: February 1st, 2026 8:25 PM
Author: sick hunting ground forum

Mommy Milkers

https://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2024729/rs_634x1024-240829094727-HeatherGallery.jpg?fit=around%7C634:1024&output-quality=90&crop=634:1024;center,top

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49639771)



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Date: February 10th, 2026 3:10 PM
Author: chest-beating magenta hospital

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49661343)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 2:00 PM
Author: Hideous irradiated boiling water organic girlfriend



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49718099)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 6:00 PM
Author: chest-beating magenta hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49718994)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 6:04 PM
Author: violet bull headed dysfunction resort

also, JoBeth Williams from the Poltergeist tp:

https://ibb.co/5XG8mL4T

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49719004)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 6:16 PM
Author: chest-beating magenta hospital

https://historicimages.com/cdn/shop/products/MVA14339_1200x.jpeg?v=1497387802

TFW no JoBeth Williams Mrs. Officer mommy gf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49719071)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 6:17 PM
Author: violet bull headed dysfunction resort

jfc, jfc.

she's like the hottest yet simultaneously oldest looking female ever tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49719076)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 6:18 PM
Author: chest-beating magenta hospital

Probably why she aged so well - was born a hot 40 year old and never changed, tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49719079)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 6:19 PM
Author: violet bull headed dysfunction resort

a real Cheryl Hines vibe, ngl tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49719081)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 6:19 PM
Author: chest-beating magenta hospital

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310690#49719084)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 6:17 PM
Author: chest-beating magenta hospital

Just looked her up and she's aged very gracefully, whoa - what is it with Boomer women either aging amazingly or terribly with nothing in between, very few merely average looking ones IME

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Date: March 5th, 2026 6:18 PM
Author: violet bull headed dysfunction resort

modern goyslop phenotypes perpetuating tp

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Date: March 5th, 2026 6:18 PM
Author: chest-beating magenta hospital

The phenotypes of modernity are 180... tp

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Date: March 13th, 2026 4:31 PM
Author: things from the 90s/00s so ethereal and dreamlike:



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