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Question about European feudalism.

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have m...
passionate tattoo
  06/14/13
just walk outside bro
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  05/29/25
(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)
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  07/01/25
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM
Author: passionate tattoo

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310751#23393887)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM
Author: Bateful liquid oxygen bawdyhouse

just walk outside bro

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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM
Author: Bateful liquid oxygen bawdyhouse

(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310751#48969813)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM
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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:55 PM
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:14 PM
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Date: July 3rd, 2025 8:14 PM
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Date: July 6th, 2025 8:32 PM
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Date: July 8th, 2025 10:20 PM
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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:52 PM
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Date: July 14th, 2025 5:12 PM
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Date: July 16th, 2025 3:43 AM
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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:00 PM
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Date: July 24th, 2025 5:37 PM
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Date: July 29th, 2025 11:50 PM
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Date: July 30th, 2025 6:59 PM
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Date: August 4th, 2025 6:52 PM
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Date: August 10th, 2025 8:35 PM
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:33 PM
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:48 PM
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:57 PM
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Date: November 11th, 2025 11:28 PM
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Date: November 12th, 2025 7:15 PM
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Date: November 12th, 2025 9:29 PM
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Date: November 13th, 2025 1:21 AM
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Date: November 13th, 2025 4:52 PM
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Date: November 16th, 2025 8:27 PM
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Date: November 16th, 2025 9:03 PM
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Date: November 17th, 2025 6:11 PM
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Date: November 18th, 2025 7:01 PM
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Date: November 23rd, 2025 8:51 PM
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Date: November 24th, 2025 12:36 AM
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Date: November 24th, 2025 6:55 PM
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Date: November 24th, 2025 9:29 PM
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Date: November 26th, 2025 12:15 AM
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Date: November 26th, 2025 4:27 PM
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Date: November 26th, 2025 10:41 PM
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Date: November 27th, 2025 5:48 PM
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Date: November 28th, 2025 12:55 AM
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Date: December 2nd, 2025 6:52 PM
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Date: December 4th, 2025 5:54 PM
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Date: December 4th, 2025 9:25 PM
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Date: December 7th, 2025 7:20 PM
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Date: December 8th, 2025 12:55 AM
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Date: December 8th, 2025 8:23 PM
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Date: December 9th, 2025 3:57 PM
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Date: December 10th, 2025 9:55 PM
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Date: December 16th, 2025 9:07 PM
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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:04 AM
Author: Bateful liquid oxygen bawdyhouse



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Date: December 21st, 2025 8:59 PM
Author: Bateful liquid oxygen bawdyhouse



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 8:47 PM
Author: Bateful liquid oxygen bawdyhouse



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Date: December 24th, 2025 12:00 AM
Author: Bateful liquid oxygen bawdyhouse



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Date: December 28th, 2025 6:54 PM
Author: nyuug



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Date: December 28th, 2025 7:05 PM
Author: nyuug



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Date: December 29th, 2025 9:19 PM
Author: nyuug



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM
Author: drunken alpha knife

Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence?

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310751#48969854)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM
Author: contagious principal's office

Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310751#48969860)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM
Author: drunken alpha knife

(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310751#48969863)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM
Author: contagious principal's office

They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310751#48969954)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: drunken alpha knife

read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310751#48971066)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: beady-eyed ivory sound barrier hominid

Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310751#49065184)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM
Author: henna black woman plaza



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Date: July 13th, 2025 7:03 PM
Author: charismatic candlestick maker



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: Erotic heady boistinker

what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310751#48970037)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM
Author: excitant dopamine church building

cq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310751#48970041)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM
Author: sexy headpube

I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310751#48985033)



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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM
Author: beady-eyed ivory sound barrier hominid

teen black death survivors were the original Boomers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310751#49065206)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:10 AM
Author: olive doobsian main people



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310751#49518664)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: Bipolar pale boiling water

i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310751#48997602)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM
Author: Flushed stubborn half-breed

Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310751#49065026)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM
Author: aromatic property

really depended on the country, the region, and the lord

removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310751#49105022)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM
Author: Canary Trip Theater Stage

It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310751#49421865)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 10:06 PM
Author: citrine cerebral multi-billionaire set

it was a nanny state.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310751#49458174)



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Date: December 8th, 2025 8:26 PM
Author: Canary Trip Theater Stage

Most societies were nomadic. Home sapiens only became a settled species during the most recent 5% of our time on earth. There's absolutely nothing normal (or even good) about anything we do today, unless your goal is simply to put more people on the earth's surface

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310751#49495273)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:07 AM
Author: aromatic property

actual feudalism was probably fine and shitty in parts

foursquare feudalism otoh is a lot of fun and harmless if it's not infested with faggots

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310751#49518563)