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Polymarket screwing over traders re Venezuela

“This market will resolve to "Yes" if the Un...
Olive Very Tactful Chad
  01/06/26
get a life you fucking dork
cheese-eating bateful sound barrier house
  01/06/26
get off this bort you closeted fag
Olive Very Tactful Chad
  01/06/26
you really should do this. everyone here hates you and you ...
cheese-eating bateful sound barrier house
  01/06/26
you are literally a closeted fag
Olive Very Tactful Chad
  01/06/26
you literally are jewishly projecting yet again.
cheese-eating bateful sound barrier house
  01/07/26
i don't see how this can be anything other than "yes&qu...
Motley church
  01/06/26
LMAO we "controlled" their POTUS into a fucking bl...
Saffron dilemma
  01/06/26
It's fraud they need to pay out
Sapphire Mischievous Temple Jewess
  01/06/26
The market is about an "invasion." It's about taki...
Beady-eyed drab lodge quadroon
  01/06/26
The US controls the territory of Venezuela. The purpose of a...
Razzmatazz stead dysfunction
  01/06/26
Which "portion" (see the definition in the link) d...
Beady-eyed drab lodge quadroon
  01/06/26
Polymarket doesn't say the US has to control it with the int...
Sapphire Mischievous Temple Jewess
  01/06/26
The market is for an invasion. The definition requires estab...
Beady-eyed drab lodge quadroon
  01/06/26
https://civil-protection-humanitarian-aid.ec.europa.eu/sites...
Razzmatazz stead dysfunction
  01/06/26
The entire "portion" of Venezuela. The US controls...
Razzmatazz stead dysfunction
  01/06/26
seems like an easy "No". they dont and didnt inten...
garnet irradiated faggot firefighter
  01/06/26
(Peter Thiel)
Olive Very Tactful Chad
  01/06/26
yes its not like orange man said we run it now
Brass Underhanded Parlor
  01/06/26
I say I run Cambodia. They appear to disagree.
Frozen Chocolate Tanning Salon Community Account
  01/06/26
Who does Polymarket think is the relevant authority on this?...
Sapphire Mischievous Temple Jewess
  01/06/26
usually they say “a consensus of credible reporting&rd...
Olive Very Tactful Chad
  01/06/26
...
Beady-eyed drab lodge quadroon
  01/06/26
cr
Pearl vigorous center
  01/06/26
...
Histrionic nursing home travel guidebook
  01/07/26
IRL Topicality moment
ivory athletic conference property
  01/06/26
...
Wonderful pit pistol
  01/06/26
companies pay a small army of professional wordcels to exhau...
opaque 180 mad-dog skullcap hell
  01/06/26
It's not vague. The US intended to control Maduro's estate w...
Sapphire Mischievous Temple Jewess
  01/06/26
(guy who no longer has $1,600)
opaque 180 mad-dog skullcap hell
  01/06/26
...
garnet irradiated faggot firefighter
  01/06/26
...
Mind-boggling plaza round eye
  01/07/26
It's ambiguous on purpose so they can Jew people over after ...
slate space deer antler
  01/06/26
...
Razzmatazz stead dysfunction
  01/06/26
There's no ambiguity. Polymarket made a valid offer. The ter...
Sapphire Mischievous Temple Jewess
  01/06/26
Obvious yes But this is why you don't bet on stuff like t...
Razzmatazz stead dysfunction
  01/06/26
This is a crystal clear "No." What's the counterar...
Beady-eyed drab lodge quadroon
  01/06/26
cr, not a close call imo
garnet irradiated faggot firefighter
  01/06/26
Trump said the US would now run Venezuela. It’s so cle...
Olive Very Tactful Chad
  01/06/26
The market isn't what wild things Trump says. (He also said ...
Beady-eyed drab lodge quadroon
  01/06/26
Narrator: "In fact, it did just happen two days ago.&qu...
Razzmatazz stead dysfunction
  01/06/26
This is shitlib semantics. The actual verbiage says "co...
Sapphire Mischievous Temple Jewess
  01/06/26
this. it was a military offensive intended to establish cont...
Motley church
  01/06/26
Under US law we damn sure exercised control over several acr...
Sapphire Mischievous Temple Jewess
  01/06/26
So Polymarket can call Trump a liar but Hampton Inn can't ma...
Sapphire Mischievous Temple Jewess
  01/06/26
are degenerate gamblers actually whining that their gambling...
bistre hospital factory reset button
  01/06/26
the thing is there are people on both sides of the trade so ...
Olive Very Tactful Chad
  01/06/26
If there was a breaking news report that “the us is in...
Electric Fuchsia Degenerate
  01/06/26
His house was invaded (briefly)
Hilarious Karate Private Investor
  01/06/26
...
Hilarious Karate Private Investor
  01/06/26
I'm 100% on Polymarket's side here.
supple angry crackhouse
  01/06/26
I was, too, until uh oh convinced me otherwise
Hilarious Karate Private Investor
  01/07/26
Kalishi screwing over bettors on 49ers game https://x.com...
Olive Very Tactful Chad
  01/07/26
now this is just a straight up scam
garnet irradiated faggot firefighter
  01/07/26
Is Polymarket still fucking over its users?
Sapphire Mischievous Temple Jewess
  01/07/26
Just made 60,000 dollars
Wonderful pit pistol
  01/07/26
?
Hilarious Karate Private Investor
  01/07/26
i can't believe any lawyer would agree with "no" h...
Motley church
  01/07/26
...
Hilarious Karate Private Investor
  01/10/26


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Date: January 6th, 2026 3:52 PM
Author: Olive Very Tactful Chad

“This market will resolve to "Yes" if the United States commences a military offensive intended to establish control over any portion of Venezuela between November 3, 2025, and January 31, 2026, 11:59 PM ET. Otherwise, this market will resolve to "No".”

“This market refers to U.S. military operations intended to establish control. President Trump’s statement that they will “run” Venezuela while referencing ongoing talks with the Venezuelan government does not alone qualify the snatch-and-extract mission to capture Maduro as an invasion.”

https://polymarket.com/event/will-the-us-invade-venezuela-in-2025?tid=1767732697146

https://x.com/trader_53/status/2008545328824549664?s=46

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567156)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 4:35 PM
Author: cheese-eating bateful sound barrier house

get a life you fucking dork

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567289)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 4:42 PM
Author: Olive Very Tactful Chad

get off this bort you closeted fag

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567303)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 4:44 PM
Author: cheese-eating bateful sound barrier house

you really should do this. everyone here hates you and you are a dick chopping tranny retard pedophile. the world would be better off if you'd just go away once and for all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567306)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 5:03 PM
Author: Olive Very Tactful Chad

you are literally a closeted fag

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567363)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 9:45 AM
Author: cheese-eating bateful sound barrier house

you literally are jewishly projecting yet again.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49568632)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 3:56 PM
Author: Motley church

i don't see how this can be anything other than "yes". they defined it pretty broadly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567168)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 4:29 PM
Author: Saffron dilemma

LMAO we "controlled" their POTUS into a fucking black bag what kind of bullshit is this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567271)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 4:56 PM
Author: Sapphire Mischievous Temple Jewess

It's fraud they need to pay out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567336)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 5:35 PM
Author: Beady-eyed drab lodge quadroon

The market is about an "invasion." It's about taking and controlling territory. That hasn't happened. It still might by the end of the month.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567449)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 5:41 PM
Author: Razzmatazz stead dysfunction

The US controls the territory of Venezuela. The purpose of abducting its head of state was to establish control of Venezuela. The operation was successful

You are confusing the words "control" and "occupy"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567472)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 5:43 PM
Author: Beady-eyed drab lodge quadroon

Which "portion" (see the definition in the link) does the US control? The US doesn't control Venezuela via an invasion any more than the US uses its power to influence a lot of countries.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567477)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 5:45 PM
Author: Sapphire Mischievous Temple Jewess

Polymarket doesn't say the US has to control it with the intent to deprive Venezuela of that territory. Even a peppercorn of time is enough.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567484)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 5:47 PM
Author: Beady-eyed drab lodge quadroon

The market is for an invasion. The definition requires establishing control of a portion of territory.

Could you point on a map to which portion of Venezuelan territory the US invaded with the intent to control? You're right that it could be a small portion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567491)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 5:49 PM
Author: Razzmatazz stead dysfunction

https://civil-protection-humanitarian-aid.ec.europa.eu/sites/default/files/styles/oe_theme_medium_no_crop/public/2019-02/venezuela_en.png?itok=aeBbLnHe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567497)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 5:48 PM
Author: Razzmatazz stead dysfunction

The entire "portion" of Venezuela. The US controls the country of Venezuela, as a statement of fact, as demonstrated by the fact that it can simply remove its nominal political "head of state" at will, whenever it wants, as it just did

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567492)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 4:33 PM
Author: garnet irradiated faggot firefighter

seems like an easy "No". they dont and didnt intend to control any area of Venezuela, they captured its president and are pressuring the current government to do their will.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567286)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 4:43 PM
Author: Olive Very Tactful Chad

(Peter Thiel)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567304)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 4:44 PM
Author: Brass Underhanded Parlor

yes its not like orange man said we run it now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567305)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 4:50 PM
Author: Frozen Chocolate Tanning Salon Community Account

I say I run Cambodia. They appear to disagree.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567316)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 4:57 PM
Author: Sapphire Mischievous Temple Jewess

Who does Polymarket think is the relevant authority on this? Maduro?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567341)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 5:01 PM
Author: Olive Very Tactful Chad

usually they say “a consensus of credible reporting” but they removed that language since it would make it harder to screw over their traders

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567356)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 5:43 PM
Author: Beady-eyed drab lodge quadroon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567479)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 7:35 PM
Author: Pearl vigorous center

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567713)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 8:45 AM
Author: Histrionic nursing home travel guidebook



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49568504)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 4:45 PM
Author: ivory athletic conference property

IRL Topicality moment

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567307)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 4:54 PM
Author: Wonderful pit pistol



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567330)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 4:56 PM
Author: opaque 180 mad-dog skullcap hell

companies pay a small army of professional wordcels to exhaustively draft out the terms of selling you toilet paper, and they still leave ambiguities. why would anyone ever expect that degens gambling on geopolitical upheavals described in a blurb with no transparency or accountability would be a good idea?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567334)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 4:59 PM
Author: Sapphire Mischievous Temple Jewess

It's not vague. The US intended to control Maduro's estate when it arrested him, and the estate is located in Venezuela. Even if the control was only fleeting, it damn sure wasn't unintentional

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567348)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 5:02 PM
Author: opaque 180 mad-dog skullcap hell

(guy who no longer has $1,600)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567360)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 5:13 PM
Author: garnet irradiated faggot firefighter



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567396)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 6:19 AM
Author: Mind-boggling plaza round eye



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49568389)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 5:57 PM
Author: slate space deer antler

It's ambiguous on purpose so they can Jew people over after the fact. It's a feature.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567517)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 6:00 PM
Author: Razzmatazz stead dysfunction



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567526)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 6:11 PM
Author: Sapphire Mischievous Temple Jewess

There's no ambiguity. Polymarket made a valid offer. The terms are clear.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567542)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 5:01 PM
Author: Razzmatazz stead dysfunction

Obvious yes

But this is why you don't bet on stuff like this tbh. I wouldn't even put a substantial sum of money on an election on these platforms. You always run the risk of some Jewish bullshit like this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567354)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 5:33 PM
Author: Beady-eyed drab lodge quadroon

This is a crystal clear "No." What's the counterargument that isn't just based on feelings?

The market is "Will the U.S. invade Venezuela by...?" And they define "invasion" as "a military offensive intended to establish control over any portion of Venezuela."

Dropping some special ops in for a limited time to extract the president is far from an invasion--i.e., an "offensive intended to establish control over" over territory. If there were boots on the ground to take and hold territory, it would be another thing. But there are not and have not been.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567445)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 5:35 PM
Author: garnet irradiated faggot firefighter

cr, not a close call imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567451)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 5:37 PM
Author: Olive Very Tactful Chad

Trump said the US would now run Venezuela. It’s so clear that they even had to address it in their statement screwing people over. There must’ve been a huge whale or polymarket insider on the other side of that trade

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567465)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 5:45 PM
Author: Beady-eyed drab lodge quadroon

The market isn't what wild things Trump says. (He also said we're going to "lock Her up." Where are we on that?)

The market is for an invasion controlling Venezuelan territory. That hasn't happened.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567485)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 5:48 PM
Author: Razzmatazz stead dysfunction

Narrator: "In fact, it did just happen two days ago."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567493)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 5:49 PM
Author: Sapphire Mischievous Temple Jewess

This is shitlib semantics. The actual verbiage says "commences a military offensive intended to establish control over any portion of Venezuela." Trump doesn't have to actually run anything, he only has to commence a military offensive with that intent. Having actual control is sufficient but not NECESSARY to prove intent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567498)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 5:54 PM
Author: Motley church

this. it was a military offensive intended to establish control over caracas generally and at the very least maduro's residence for however long it was necessary in order to capture him.

the issue here is "control" and the time period it takes to constitute it. polymarket thought they were describing something more permanent and substantial, but they didn't spell that out and i think it's hard to argue that landing a bunch of helicopters into maduro's front yard, killing his security guards, and forcibly removing him wasn't taking "control" of his house which is a "portion" of venezuela. "intent" is there the minute you give the order.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567509)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 5:57 PM
Author: Sapphire Mischievous Temple Jewess

Under US law we damn sure exercised control over several acres of land in Venezuela for a period of some several minutes, and not by accident

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567514)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 5:47 PM
Author: Sapphire Mischievous Temple Jewess

So Polymarket can call Trump a liar but Hampton Inn can't make DHS pay full price for hotel rooms?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567489)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 6:10 PM
Author: bistre hospital factory reset button

are degenerate gamblers actually whining that their gambling platform is being legalistic and dishonest? LOL.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567539)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 7:20 PM
Author: Olive Very Tactful Chad

the thing is there are people on both sides of the trade so it doesn’t really make sense for polymarket to screw over their users. they’re just a bookie. unless a polymarket insider or whale with connections was on the other side of the trade and pulled some strings. either way what they’re doing is dishonest. at a minimum they should not have titled the market “invade” if sending the military into foreign sovereign territory and arresting its president doesn’t count.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567682)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 7:31 PM
Author: Electric Fuchsia Degenerate

If there was a breaking news report that “the us is invading Venezuela” no one would be like “but that already happened”.

The common sense version says this wasn’t an invasion and nothing in their terms is enough to override that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567704)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 8:15 PM
Author: Hilarious Karate Private Investor

His house was invaded (briefly)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567813)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 8:11 PM
Author: Hilarious Karate Private Investor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567795)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 8:17 PM
Author: supple angry crackhouse

I'm 100% on Polymarket's side here.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49567818)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 5:48 AM
Author: Hilarious Karate Private Investor

I was, too, until uh oh convinced me otherwise

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49568381)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 7:59 AM
Author: Olive Very Tactful Chad

Kalishi screwing over bettors on 49ers game

https://x.com/dustingouker/status/2008748429024133125?s=46

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49568440)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 8:16 AM
Author: garnet irradiated faggot firefighter

now this is just a straight up scam

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49568452)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 8:18 AM
Author: Sapphire Mischievous Temple Jewess

Is Polymarket still fucking over its users?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49568453)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 10:16 AM
Author: Wonderful pit pistol

Just made 60,000 dollars

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49568707)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 10:29 AM
Author: Hilarious Karate Private Investor

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5818025&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49568727)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 10:30 AM
Author: Motley church

i can't believe any lawyer would agree with "no" here. the terms are so broad even a child could make a reasonable argument for "yes".

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Date: January 10th, 2026 10:01 PM
Author: Hilarious Karate Private Investor



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