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rating poasters as bizarre classical music from the 20th/21st centuries
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Date: January 17th, 2026 10:20 AM Author: cucumbers mostly solo piano. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596192) |
Date: January 17th, 2026 10:23 AM Author: modernity requesting Chopin pls (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596197) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 10:27 AM Author: cucumbers Chopin is from the 19th century, so we'll have to resort to an early 20th-century reintepretation of Chopin's etudes by Godowsky. Not particularly bizarre, just difficult to perform. Apologies in advance for any disappointment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuEa1XLEVSw |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 10:24 AM Author: Kenneth Play (emotional girth) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596198) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 10:29 AM Author: cucumbers The second nocturne from Sciarrino's Due Notturni Crudeli -- to be performed with rage per the composer's instructions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_dn3ORLq6s (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596206) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 12:05 PM Author: Kenneth Play (emotional girth) wild, ty! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596339) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 12:37 PM Author: cucumbers There's usually no middle ground with this type of music: you either love it or violently hate it and think it's just noise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596419) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:03 PM Author: Quality Learing Center alumnus (✅🍑) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596874) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 12:26 PM Author: FizzKidd (Chinese Becky) that kind of music generally sucks, but content (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596394) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 12:30 PM Author: cucumbers Have to go with Ferneyhough then. He's obviously a cynical fraud and charlatan, but that's true of most composers with a similar style. Personally I can't stand any of his music. Enjoy! Just look at how pretentious the piece's title is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYMXbM0RCeU
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Date: January 17th, 2026 5:45 PM Author: FizzKidd (Chinese Becky) 180, the piece qua music isn't even that horrible, but the unreadble notation and beyond pretentious title push it over the top (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49597223) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 8:57 PM Author: cucumbers The problem here is that this incomprehensibly complex style is taken to the point where I could create the same semi-random but pointlessly complex music despite me having no talent as a composer. That's why you can't take Ferneyhough or similar composers seriously. But they do want you to take them seriously. After all, Ferneyhough made it all the way to Stanford with this gibberish "music." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49597685) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:58 PM Author: Matthias of Redwall Did Nothing Wrong #Cornflower but content tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49597001) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 12:41 PM Author: Paralegal Reza Pahlavi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596425) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 12:47 PM Author: cucumbers Sorabji's 19th etude. Oddly upbeat and unserious considering Sorabji's typically serious style: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFZYqLqBHOc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596437) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 1:17 PM Author: bjork Jcm here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596525) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 1:18 PM Author: cucumbers Julius Eastman's "Crazy Nigger": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aR0naIp9eM (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596530) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:10 PM Author: Quality Learing Center alumnus (✅🍑) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596884) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 1:20 PM Author: ruinous phenotype (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596538) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 2:55 PM Author: cucumbers Hikari Kiyama's "Three Shells" for two hands and one foot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyy3CRuMQnc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596865) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:22 PM Author: Quality Learing Center alumnus (✅🍑) this is completely preposterous (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596919) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:41 PM Author: ruinous phenotype (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596958) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:47 PM Author: cucumbers I'm Facebook friends with the pianist Ljl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596979) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:49 PM Author: Quality Learing Center alumnus (✅🍑) lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596985) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:58 PM Author: cucumbers And the composer too. Almost forgot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596999) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 4:48 PM Author: Quality Learing Center alumnus (✅🍑) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49597089) |
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Date: January 18th, 2026 9:19 AM Author: cucumbers This isn't even Kiyama's most preposterous piece. Check out his "Innocent Prisoner" for piano and voice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LIw8ykSmGU (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49598324) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 2:56 PM Author: UN peacekeeper (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596869) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 2:59 PM Author: cucumbers Michael Finnissy's Piano Concerto no. 4 for solo piano: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKfFaSWr4m0 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596870) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:38 PM Author: UN peacekeeper Nice, still discernible dramatic arc though dissonant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596948) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:50 PM Author: cucumbers Yes, I view this piece as being pushed to the absolute limit of dissonance and complexity without devolving into randomness. Actually it goes too far, but there's much worse out there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596986) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:05 PM Author: Quality Learing Center alumnus (✅🍑) I have attended one of the note changes in the Halberstadt performance of John Cage's As Slow As Possible. Rate me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_Slow_as_Possible |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:10 PM Author: cucumbers I rate you as insufferable minimalism by John Adams. Here's his "Phrygian Gates": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DixKnE9HqIU (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596883) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:12 PM Author: Quality Learing Center alumnus (✅🍑) 180 thank you you used the phrase "obviously a cynical fraud and charlatan" above and that is how I view Cage but others may disagree |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:16 PM Author: cucumbers No doubt John Cage spewed out a lot of pure trash, but some of his music is actually enjoyable. For instance, his pieces for prepared piano.
Ferneyhough, the fraud and charlatan, is just SPS with no redeeming qualities. It's just unnecessary complexity and near-randomness that ordinary people laugh at (and should). |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:20 PM Author: Quality Learing Center alumnus (✅🍑) can you please link me to Cage's pieces for prepared piano you enjoyed? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596915) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:34 PM Author: cucumbers Haven't listened to them in over a decade at this point, so I don't remember specific pieces. The interesting ones had minimalist aspects IIRC. The problem with the recordings is the piano preparation and resultant sound varies wildly with each recording. So some recordings sound dull while others are more lively. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596940) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:36 PM Author: Quality Learing Center alumnus (✅🍑) link in here please if any come to mind later on, I've never been able to enjoy anything by Cage but I'm open to reassessing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596945) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:40 PM Author: cucumbers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAImmOqNzzs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596952) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:49 PM Author: Quality Learing Center alumnus (✅🍑) ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596984) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:52 PM Author: cucumbers Herbert Henck is a great pianist. I believe his recordings of Cage's works were my favorite. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596991) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:53 PM Author: cucumbers Damn just looked him up, and he died recently. RIP bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596993) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:38 PM Author: Bill McHenry + Spaceporn in dick measuring contest ((zurich is stained)) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596950) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 3:48 PM Author: cucumbers "Evryali" by Iannis Xenakis, specifically Takahashi's recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbUgAXt75s8 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49596980) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 4:52 PM Author: The Minnesota Protestor's Auto that Dripped Blood (No Future) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49597105) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 6:25 PM Author: Bill McHenry + Spaceporn in dick measuring contest ((zurich is stained)) is this a compliment? are we friends? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49597348) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 6:49 PM Author: cucumbers This is my favorite piece by Xenakis. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49597403) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 7:24 PM Author: Bill McHenry + Spaceporn in dick measuring contest ((zurich is stained)) I love you so much (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49597475) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 4:52 PM Author: The Minnesota Protestor's Auto that Dripped Blood (No Future) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49597104) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 5:02 PM Author: cucumbers Clarence Barlow's variations on the last movement from Beethoven's last piano sonata, for mechanical piano: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gyJkYWdWWo (gets interesting after about 8-10 minutes) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49597137) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 7:00 PM Author: lex (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49597425) |
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Date: January 18th, 2026 8:56 AM Author: cucumbers I hate to mention the same composer twice, but I can't think of anything more appropriate than Michael Finnissy's Piano Concerto no. 6 for solo piano: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_Y1bZYi60M (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49598298) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 8:10 PM Author: Kenneth Play (emotional girth) do you know this? Fazil Say - Black Earth
interesting technique
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYtybgToH2Q&t=28s |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 8:43 PM Author: cucumbers I know the pianist/composer, but I haven't heard this particular piece. Classical music snobs would probably thumb their noses at this piece, but the snobs can be ignored. All that matters is whether you like it.
The technique of modifying the sound of the piano by interacting with the strings themselves is not new. Henry Cowell first explored this around 100 or so years ago. John Cage took the idea further in his pieces for prepared piano, which I mentioned earlier. |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 9:45 PM Author: Kenneth Play (emotional girth) understood. and yes i understand this reaching inside is from cage - i like this a lot more than him though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49597813) |
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Date: January 18th, 2026 8:54 AM Author: cucumbers Reaching inside was Cowell's innovation. And Cowell was one of Cage's teachers, if I remember correctly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49598296) |
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Date: January 18th, 2026 10:26 AM Author: Kenneth Play (emotional girth) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5823208&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310752#49598425) |