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🚨KARLSTACK DEBATE WATCH PARTY THURSDAY 8/13 AT 10 AM PST🚨

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_BeXUy_RYM BE THERE
mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant
  08/12/26
This is a Big Deal
Free-loading newt parlour
  08/12/26
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mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant
  08/12/26
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Cerebral violet heaven
  08/13/26
Why tf is it premiering at a certain time? Wasn't in recorde...
Green bull headed goyim
  08/12/26
Because Karlstack got absolutely smashed and they were too s...
mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant
  08/12/26
He's clearly taller than his opponent
Green bull headed goyim
  08/12/26
Yeah but they're sitting down and the other guy has sick sun...
mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant
  08/12/26
Sign of weakness. Like wearing sunglasses playing poker. We ...
Green bull headed goyim
  08/12/26
This should be on pay per view
navy aromatic pervert
  08/12/26
...
mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant
  08/12/26
Just want to say: fuck all you motherfuckers https://www....
Trip french chef
  08/12/26
im hosting a zoom meeting for based chads. it's $5 per head ...
Free-loading newt parlour
  08/12/26
1 waiting
Vibrant University
  08/13/26
This is going to Change Everything.
mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant
  08/13/26
FIVE MINUTES TILL SHOWTIME
Vibrant University
  08/13/26
thousands - maybe even millions - of Liberal Artists are tun...
mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant
  08/13/26
3 people watching. Timer counted to 0 then did a 10-second c...
heady drunken casino
  08/13/26
How did he end up on the wrong side of this one
bespoke erotic milk state
  08/13/26
Douchebag opening with an ad hominem against Karl
heady drunken casino
  08/13/26
that was a great point and very convincing actually
mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant
  08/13/26
I’m gonna shut this off when I finish taking my dump b...
heady drunken casino
  08/13/26
you should go back to canada imho
mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant
  08/13/26
Yeah most voters are high IQ
bespoke erotic milk state
  08/13/26
Should just ban retards from voting not make voting retard o...
heady drunken casino
  08/13/26
Unfortunately he cooked here
Vibrant University
  08/13/26
...
maroon beady-eyed principal's office mediation
  08/13/26
A lot of stores in my hometown opened late to allow people t...
violent house stock car
  08/13/26
oh no this guy is out alphaing karl RED ALERT RED ALERT
mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant
  08/13/26
this is bad.
maroon beady-eyed principal's office mediation
  08/13/26
conceding the driving is a right? This isn’t going wel...
maroon beady-eyed principal's office mediation
  08/13/26
Who's the douchebag?
Exciting self-centered cruise ship
  08/13/26
ok this other guy totally sucks hard to believe that karl...
mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant
  08/13/26
"There's a guy in the military right now with no legs.&...
mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant
  08/13/26
Can someone make an AI slop vid of "retards scuffling&q...
Exciting self-centered cruise ship
  08/13/26
Strong finish bud!
Exciting self-centered cruise ship
  08/13/26
derp
Contagious yarmulke library
  08/13/26
jfc horrific ending to the opening portion for karlstack ...
mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant
  08/13/26
man this other guy is a total fucking idiot and he may actua...
mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant
  08/13/26
"My opponent is arguing a Nietzschean position-" ...
mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant
  08/13/26
karlstack was far from perfect but he definitely did a bette...
mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant
  08/13/26
...
Contagious yarmulke library
  08/13/26
180
Free-loading newt parlour
  08/13/26
you can vote here: https://www.izivote.com/v/glenn-vs-c...
Contagious yarmulke library
  08/13/26
Same
Exciting self-centered cruise ship
  08/13/26
randomly watched 10 seconds and Karl couldn't figure out 'ne...
Garnet razzmatazz school cafeteria
  08/13/26
yeah neither could the other guy nor the debate moderator lm...
mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant
  08/13/26
...
Exciting self-centered cruise ship
  08/13/26
...
maroon beady-eyed principal's office mediation
  08/13/26
thoroughly embarrassing for all involved, holy shit this was...
shaky adulterous nursing home people who are hurt
  08/13/26
...
heady drunken casino
  08/13/26
...
Contagious yarmulke library
  08/13/26
...
mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant
  08/13/26
Will his brown wife be attending?
dashing geriatric tanning salon
  08/13/26
I want to murder both of you, and I'm only 25 minutes in. Bu...
Trip french chef
  08/13/26
Some people aren't meant to be experienced in audiovisual fo...
Brilliant swashbuckling field
  08/13/26
all his friends are telling him he can learn
Free-loading newt parlour
  08/13/26
He's putting himself out there and trying to improve. Also t...
Green bull headed goyim
  08/13/26
you are so fucking retarded it's unreal
Free-loading newt parlour
  08/13/26
(shortmo)
Green bull headed goyim
  08/13/26
eat shit vivek
Free-loading newt parlour
  08/13/26
now hold on there bucko
mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant
  08/13/26
...
Free-loading newt parlour
  08/13/26
Youre in the belly of the beast now, a postmodern hellscape ...
bespoke erotic milk state
  08/13/26
Karl needs to do all of his debates under that mug shot heig...
navy aromatic pervert
  08/14/26
...
cracking sticky brunch
  08/14/26
You guys all need to vote for karlstack btw. So he can make ...
mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant
  08/14/26


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Date: August 12th, 2026 2:14 PM
Author: mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_BeXUy_RYM

BE THERE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50063753)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 2:14 PM
Author: Free-loading newt parlour

This is a Big Deal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50063755)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 4:23 PM
Author: mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50064056)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 10:53 AM
Author: Cerebral violet heaven



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065376)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 2:19 PM
Author: Green bull headed goyim

Why tf is it premiering at a certain time? Wasn't in recorded months ago?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50063759)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 2:21 PM
Author: mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant

Because Karlstack got absolutely smashed and they were too scared to let it play live because it would have led to public outcry

I will still be Voting for him as the Winner though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50063763)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 2:23 PM
Author: Green bull headed goyim

He's clearly taller than his opponent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50063768)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 2:31 PM
Author: mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant

Yeah but they're sitting down and the other guy has sick sunglasses on

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50063784)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 3:24 PM
Author: Green bull headed goyim

Sign of weakness. Like wearing sunglasses playing poker. We all know how terrified his eyes are behind the lenses from Karlstacks unblinking autistic stare down

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50063881)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 2:31 PM
Author: navy aromatic pervert

This should be on pay per view

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50063782)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 6:53 PM
Author: mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50064392)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 4:28 PM
Author: Trip french chef

Just want to say: fuck all you motherfuckers

https://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891113&mc=1&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50064071)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 7:50 PM
Author: Free-loading newt parlour

im hosting a zoom meeting for based chads. it's $5 per head entry fee. $10 if you want to be unmuted.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50064496)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 10:53 AM
Author: Vibrant University

1 waiting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065375)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 10:59 AM
Author: mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant

This is going to Change Everything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065387)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 12:55 PM
Author: Vibrant University

FIVE MINUTES TILL SHOWTIME

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065567)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:03 PM
Author: mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant

thousands - maybe even millions - of Liberal Artists are tuning in to this clash of intellects RIGHT NOW

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065583)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:03 PM
Author: heady drunken casino

3 people watching. Timer counted to 0 then did a 10-second countdown and then started another 60-second countdown. wtf is this bush league shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065585)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:05 PM
Author: bespoke erotic milk state

How did he end up on the wrong side of this one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065594)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:06 PM
Author: heady drunken casino

Douchebag opening with an ad hominem against Karl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065602)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:07 PM
Author: mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant

that was a great point and very convincing actually

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065605)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:08 PM
Author: heady drunken casino

I’m gonna shut this off when I finish taking my dump but I hope Karl brings up how ppl in the military are by and large low IQ and this will lead to ruin if these dumbasses are the only ones that can vote

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065610)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:09 PM
Author: mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant

you should go back to canada imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065612)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:11 PM
Author: bespoke erotic milk state

Yeah most voters are high IQ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065622)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:12 PM
Author: heady drunken casino

Should just ban retards from voting not make voting retard only

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065627)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:08 PM
Author: Vibrant University

Unfortunately he cooked here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065608)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:11 PM
Author: maroon beady-eyed principal's office mediation



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065618)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:12 PM
Author: violent house stock car

A lot of stores in my hometown opened late to allow people to watch the debate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065629)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:18 PM
Author: mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant

oh no this guy is out alphaing karl RED ALERT RED ALERT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065640)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:19 PM
Author: maroon beady-eyed principal's office mediation

this is bad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065649)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:19 PM
Author: maroon beady-eyed principal's office mediation

conceding the driving is a right? This isn’t going well so far

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065644)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:24 PM
Author: Exciting self-centered cruise ship

Who's the douchebag?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065663)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:26 PM
Author: mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant

ok this other guy totally sucks

hard to believe that karlstack doesn't win this regardless of how well he performs from here on out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065669)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:27 PM
Author: mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant

"There's a guy in the military right now with no legs."

Wow. B O O M.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065672)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:28 PM
Author: Exciting self-centered cruise ship

Can someone make an AI slop vid of "retards scuffling"? Use Grok

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065676)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:31 PM
Author: Exciting self-centered cruise ship

Strong finish bud!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065686)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:37 PM
Author: Contagious yarmulke library

derp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065707)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:32 PM
Author: mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant

jfc horrific ending to the opening portion for karlstack

this other guy is such a retard though

really a battle of Intellectual Liberal Artist Titans here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065691)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:49 PM
Author: mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant

man this other guy is a total fucking idiot and he may actually win this

really calls to mind nick fuentes's rants about the goyim being so stupid they deserve to lose

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065748)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 2:06 PM
Author: mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant

"My opponent is arguing a Nietzschean position-"

oh no

also this isn't even true lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065786)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 2:18 PM
Author: mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant

karlstack was far from perfect but he definitely did a better job then the other guy, who was fucking awful

i will unironically be voting for karlstack as the Winner of that "debate"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065810)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 2:21 PM
Author: Contagious yarmulke library



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065817)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 2:21 PM
Author: Free-loading newt parlour

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065819)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 2:23 PM
Author: Contagious yarmulke library

you can vote here:

https://www.izivote.com/v/glenn-vs-chris

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50065823)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 5:35 PM
Author: Exciting self-centered cruise ship

Same

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50066184)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 5:55 PM
Author: Garnet razzmatazz school cafeteria

randomly watched 10 seconds and Karl couldn't figure out 'necessary but not sufficient'

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50066215)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 5:56 PM
Author: mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant

yeah neither could the other guy nor the debate moderator lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50066216)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 6:04 PM
Author: Exciting self-centered cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50066222)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 7:44 PM
Author: maroon beady-eyed principal's office mediation



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50066437)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 6:07 PM
Author: shaky adulterous nursing home people who are hurt

thoroughly embarrassing for all involved, holy shit this was awful

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50066225)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 6:07 PM
Author: heady drunken casino



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50066226)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 6:08 PM
Author: Contagious yarmulke library



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50066227)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 6:15 PM
Author: mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50066236)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 6:10 PM
Author: dashing geriatric tanning salon

Will his brown wife be attending?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50066228)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 6:22 PM
Author: Trip french chef

I want to murder both of you, and I'm only 25 minutes in. But it's impressive the back and forth exchange didn't devolve worse than it did

I'm surprised you didn't return back to your opening statement precepts yet. Those precepts should be your talking points that you can return to if you get asked about shit that you don't exactly know how to handle or aren't sure how to answer because you don't immediately know how it interacts with your position. Keep that in mind for the future, so you're not flailing around unsure of what to say (when in doubt, pick the nearest/most apt talking point and use it to help address the question)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50066252)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 6:24 PM
Author: Brilliant swashbuckling field

Some people aren't meant to be experienced in audiovisual format. You just don't have "it" for the talking game friendo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50066254)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 6:24 PM
Author: Free-loading newt parlour

all his friends are telling him he can learn

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50066255)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 8:23 PM
Author: Green bull headed goyim

He's putting himself out there and trying to improve. Also there's tons of people like Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro that are weird, have no presence, odd voices, etc that have done well. Karl is Tall.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50066536)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 8:23 PM
Author: Free-loading newt parlour

you are so fucking retarded it's unreal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50066537)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 8:25 PM
Author: Green bull headed goyim

(shortmo)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50066544)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 8:26 PM
Author: Free-loading newt parlour

eat shit vivek

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50066545)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 8:27 PM
Author: mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant

now hold on there bucko

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50066547)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 8:54 PM
Author: Free-loading newt parlour



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50066640)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 8:48 PM
Author: bespoke erotic milk state

Youre in the belly of the beast now, a postmodern hellscape man!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50066610)



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Date: August 14th, 2026 1:45 PM
Author: navy aromatic pervert

Karl needs to do all of his debates under that mug shot height chart

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50067916)



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Date: August 14th, 2026 3:52 PM
Author: cracking sticky brunch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50068266)



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Date: August 14th, 2026 3:44 PM
Author: mildly autistic very tactful space immigrant

You guys all need to vote for karlstack btw. So he can make it to the next round and we can all laugh at his performance again

Do The Right Thing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764",#50068248)