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🚨KARLSTACK DEBATE WATCH PARTY THURSDAY 8/13 AT 10 AM PST🚨

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_BeXUy_RYM BE THERE
razzle cobalt den queen of the night
  08/12/26
This is a Big Deal
at-the-ready swollen resort hairy legs
  08/12/26
...
razzle cobalt den queen of the night
  08/12/26
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nubile maize state
  08/13/26
Why tf is it premiering at a certain time? Wasn't in recorde...
Titillating dark meetinghouse incel
  08/12/26
Because Karlstack got absolutely smashed and they were too s...
razzle cobalt den queen of the night
  08/12/26
He's clearly taller than his opponent
Titillating dark meetinghouse incel
  08/12/26
Yeah but they're sitting down and the other guy has sick sun...
razzle cobalt den queen of the night
  08/12/26
Sign of weakness. Like wearing sunglasses playing poker. We ...
Titillating dark meetinghouse incel
  08/12/26
This should be on pay per view
beady-eyed hot doctorate
  08/12/26
...
razzle cobalt den queen of the night
  08/12/26
Just want to say: fuck all you motherfuckers https://www....
Walnut 180 pozpig keepsake machete
  08/12/26
im hosting a zoom meeting for based chads. it's $5 per head ...
at-the-ready swollen resort hairy legs
  08/12/26
1 waiting
filthy carmine party of the first part
  08/13/26
This is going to Change Everything.
razzle cobalt den queen of the night
  08/13/26
FIVE MINUTES TILL SHOWTIME
filthy carmine party of the first part
  08/13/26
thousands - maybe even millions - of Liberal Artists are tun...
razzle cobalt den queen of the night
  08/13/26
3 people watching. Timer counted to 0 then did a 10-second c...
Comical mexican
  08/13/26
How did he end up on the wrong side of this one
hateful tripping legend tank
  08/13/26
Douchebag opening with an ad hominem against Karl
Comical mexican
  08/13/26
that was a great point and very convincing actually
razzle cobalt den queen of the night
  08/13/26
I’m gonna shut this off when I finish taking my dump b...
Comical mexican
  08/13/26
you should go back to canada imho
razzle cobalt den queen of the night
  08/13/26
Yeah most voters are high IQ
hateful tripping legend tank
  08/13/26
Should just ban retards from voting not make voting retard o...
Comical mexican
  08/13/26
Unfortunately he cooked here
filthy carmine party of the first part
  08/13/26
...
Pea-brained Dopamine Church
  08/13/26
A lot of stores in my hometown opened late to allow people t...
ungodly son of senegal organic girlfriend
  08/13/26
oh no this guy is out alphaing karl RED ALERT RED ALERT
razzle cobalt den queen of the night
  08/13/26
this is bad.
Pea-brained Dopamine Church
  08/13/26
conceding the driving is a right? This isn’t going wel...
Pea-brained Dopamine Church
  08/13/26
Who's the douchebag?
Effete cheese-eating base
  08/13/26
ok this other guy totally sucks hard to believe that karl...
razzle cobalt den queen of the night
  08/13/26
"There's a guy in the military right now with no legs.&...
razzle cobalt den queen of the night
  08/13/26
Can someone make an AI slop vid of "retards scuffling&q...
Effete cheese-eating base
  08/13/26
Strong finish bud!
Effete cheese-eating base
  08/13/26
derp
beta bawdyhouse
  08/13/26
jfc horrific ending to the opening portion for karlstack ...
razzle cobalt den queen of the night
  08/13/26
man this other guy is a total fucking idiot and he may actua...
razzle cobalt den queen of the night
  08/13/26
"My opponent is arguing a Nietzschean position-" ...
razzle cobalt den queen of the night
  08/13/26
karlstack was far from perfect but he definitely did a bette...
razzle cobalt den queen of the night
  08/13/26
...
beta bawdyhouse
  08/13/26
180
at-the-ready swollen resort hairy legs
  08/13/26
you can vote here: https://www.izivote.com/v/glenn-vs-c...
beta bawdyhouse
  08/13/26
Same
Effete cheese-eating base
  08/13/26
randomly watched 10 seconds and Karl couldn't figure out 'ne...
Yellow disgusting plaza indirect expression
  08/13/26
yeah neither could the other guy nor the debate moderator lm...
razzle cobalt den queen of the night
  08/13/26
...
Effete cheese-eating base
  08/13/26
...
Pea-brained Dopamine Church
  08/13/26
thoroughly embarrassing for all involved, holy shit this was...
Poppy market degenerate
  08/13/26
...
Comical mexican
  08/13/26
...
beta bawdyhouse
  08/13/26
...
razzle cobalt den queen of the night
  08/13/26
Will his brown wife be attending?
Pink hyperactive feces boltzmann
  08/13/26
I want to murder both of you, and I'm only 25 minutes in. Bu...
Walnut 180 pozpig keepsake machete
  08/13/26
Some people aren't meant to be experienced in audiovisual fo...
lascivious locale
  08/13/26
all his friends are telling him he can learn
at-the-ready swollen resort hairy legs
  08/13/26
He's putting himself out there and trying to improve. Also t...
Titillating dark meetinghouse incel
  08/13/26
you are so fucking retarded it's unreal
at-the-ready swollen resort hairy legs
  08/13/26
(shortmo)
Titillating dark meetinghouse incel
  08/13/26
eat shit vivek
at-the-ready swollen resort hairy legs
  08/13/26
now hold on there bucko
razzle cobalt den queen of the night
  08/13/26
...
at-the-ready swollen resort hairy legs
  08/13/26
Youre in the belly of the beast now, a postmodern hellscape ...
hateful tripping legend tank
  08/13/26
Karl needs to do all of his debates under that mug shot heig...
beady-eyed hot doctorate
  08/14/26
...
bisexual soul-stirring coffee pot potus
  08/14/26
You guys all need to vote for karlstack btw. So he can make ...
razzle cobalt den queen of the night
  08/14/26


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Date: August 12th, 2026 2:14 PM
Author: razzle cobalt den queen of the night

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_BeXUy_RYM

BE THERE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50063753)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 2:14 PM
Author: at-the-ready swollen resort hairy legs

This is a Big Deal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50063755)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 4:23 PM
Author: razzle cobalt den queen of the night



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50064056)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 10:53 AM
Author: nubile maize state



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065376)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 2:19 PM
Author: Titillating dark meetinghouse incel

Why tf is it premiering at a certain time? Wasn't in recorded months ago?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50063759)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 2:21 PM
Author: razzle cobalt den queen of the night

Because Karlstack got absolutely smashed and they were too scared to let it play live because it would have led to public outcry

I will still be Voting for him as the Winner though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50063763)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 2:23 PM
Author: Titillating dark meetinghouse incel

He's clearly taller than his opponent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50063768)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 2:31 PM
Author: razzle cobalt den queen of the night

Yeah but they're sitting down and the other guy has sick sunglasses on

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50063784)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 3:24 PM
Author: Titillating dark meetinghouse incel

Sign of weakness. Like wearing sunglasses playing poker. We all know how terrified his eyes are behind the lenses from Karlstacks unblinking autistic stare down

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50063881)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 2:31 PM
Author: beady-eyed hot doctorate

This should be on pay per view

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50063782)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 6:53 PM
Author: razzle cobalt den queen of the night



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50064392)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 4:28 PM
Author: Walnut 180 pozpig keepsake machete

Just want to say: fuck all you motherfuckers

https://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891113&mc=1&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50064071)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 7:50 PM
Author: at-the-ready swollen resort hairy legs

im hosting a zoom meeting for based chads. it's $5 per head entry fee. $10 if you want to be unmuted.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50064496)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 10:53 AM
Author: filthy carmine party of the first part

1 waiting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065375)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 10:59 AM
Author: razzle cobalt den queen of the night

This is going to Change Everything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065387)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 12:55 PM
Author: filthy carmine party of the first part

FIVE MINUTES TILL SHOWTIME

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065567)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:03 PM
Author: razzle cobalt den queen of the night

thousands - maybe even millions - of Liberal Artists are tuning in to this clash of intellects RIGHT NOW

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065583)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:03 PM
Author: Comical mexican

3 people watching. Timer counted to 0 then did a 10-second countdown and then started another 60-second countdown. wtf is this bush league shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065585)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:05 PM
Author: hateful tripping legend tank

How did he end up on the wrong side of this one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065594)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:06 PM
Author: Comical mexican

Douchebag opening with an ad hominem against Karl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065602)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:07 PM
Author: razzle cobalt den queen of the night

that was a great point and very convincing actually

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065605)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:08 PM
Author: Comical mexican

I’m gonna shut this off when I finish taking my dump but I hope Karl brings up how ppl in the military are by and large low IQ and this will lead to ruin if these dumbasses are the only ones that can vote

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065610)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:09 PM
Author: razzle cobalt den queen of the night

you should go back to canada imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065612)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:11 PM
Author: hateful tripping legend tank

Yeah most voters are high IQ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065622)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:12 PM
Author: Comical mexican

Should just ban retards from voting not make voting retard only

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065627)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:08 PM
Author: filthy carmine party of the first part

Unfortunately he cooked here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065608)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:11 PM
Author: Pea-brained Dopamine Church



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065618)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:12 PM
Author: ungodly son of senegal organic girlfriend

A lot of stores in my hometown opened late to allow people to watch the debate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065629)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:18 PM
Author: razzle cobalt den queen of the night

oh no this guy is out alphaing karl RED ALERT RED ALERT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065640)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:19 PM
Author: Pea-brained Dopamine Church

this is bad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065649)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:19 PM
Author: Pea-brained Dopamine Church

conceding the driving is a right? This isn’t going well so far

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065644)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:24 PM
Author: Effete cheese-eating base

Who's the douchebag?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065663)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:26 PM
Author: razzle cobalt den queen of the night

ok this other guy totally sucks

hard to believe that karlstack doesn't win this regardless of how well he performs from here on out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065669)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:27 PM
Author: razzle cobalt den queen of the night

"There's a guy in the military right now with no legs."

Wow. B O O M.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065672)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:28 PM
Author: Effete cheese-eating base

Can someone make an AI slop vid of "retards scuffling"? Use Grok

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065676)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:31 PM
Author: Effete cheese-eating base

Strong finish bud!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065686)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:37 PM
Author: beta bawdyhouse

derp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065707)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:32 PM
Author: razzle cobalt den queen of the night

jfc horrific ending to the opening portion for karlstack

this other guy is such a retard though

really a battle of Intellectual Liberal Artist Titans here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065691)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 1:49 PM
Author: razzle cobalt den queen of the night

man this other guy is a total fucking idiot and he may actually win this

really calls to mind nick fuentes's rants about the goyim being so stupid they deserve to lose

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065748)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 2:06 PM
Author: razzle cobalt den queen of the night

"My opponent is arguing a Nietzschean position-"

oh no

also this isn't even true lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065786)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 2:18 PM
Author: razzle cobalt den queen of the night

karlstack was far from perfect but he definitely did a better job then the other guy, who was fucking awful

i will unironically be voting for karlstack as the Winner of that "debate"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065810)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 2:21 PM
Author: beta bawdyhouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065817)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 2:21 PM
Author: at-the-ready swollen resort hairy legs

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065819)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 2:23 PM
Author: beta bawdyhouse

you can vote here:

https://www.izivote.com/v/glenn-vs-chris

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50065823)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 5:35 PM
Author: Effete cheese-eating base

Same

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50066184)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 5:55 PM
Author: Yellow disgusting plaza indirect expression

randomly watched 10 seconds and Karl couldn't figure out 'necessary but not sufficient'

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50066215)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 5:56 PM
Author: razzle cobalt den queen of the night

yeah neither could the other guy nor the debate moderator lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50066216)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 6:04 PM
Author: Effete cheese-eating base



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50066222)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 7:44 PM
Author: Pea-brained Dopamine Church



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50066437)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 6:07 PM
Author: Poppy market degenerate

thoroughly embarrassing for all involved, holy shit this was awful

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50066225)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 6:07 PM
Author: Comical mexican



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50066226)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 6:08 PM
Author: beta bawdyhouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50066227)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 6:15 PM
Author: razzle cobalt den queen of the night



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50066236)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 6:10 PM
Author: Pink hyperactive feces boltzmann

Will his brown wife be attending?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50066228)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 6:22 PM
Author: Walnut 180 pozpig keepsake machete

I want to murder both of you, and I'm only 25 minutes in. But it's impressive the back and forth exchange didn't devolve worse than it did

I'm surprised you didn't return back to your opening statement precepts yet. Those precepts should be your talking points that you can return to if you get asked about shit that you don't exactly know how to handle or aren't sure how to answer because you don't immediately know how it interacts with your position. Keep that in mind for the future, so you're not flailing around unsure of what to say (when in doubt, pick the nearest/most apt talking point and use it to help address the question)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50066252)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 6:24 PM
Author: lascivious locale

Some people aren't meant to be experienced in audiovisual format. You just don't have "it" for the talking game friendo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50066254)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 6:24 PM
Author: at-the-ready swollen resort hairy legs

all his friends are telling him he can learn

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50066255)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 8:23 PM
Author: Titillating dark meetinghouse incel

He's putting himself out there and trying to improve. Also there's tons of people like Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro that are weird, have no presence, odd voices, etc that have done well. Karl is Tall.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50066536)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 8:23 PM
Author: at-the-ready swollen resort hairy legs

you are so fucking retarded it's unreal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50066537)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 8:25 PM
Author: Titillating dark meetinghouse incel

(shortmo)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50066544)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 8:26 PM
Author: at-the-ready swollen resort hairy legs

eat shit vivek

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50066545)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 8:27 PM
Author: razzle cobalt den queen of the night

now hold on there bucko

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50066547)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 8:54 PM
Author: at-the-ready swollen resort hairy legs



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50066640)



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Date: August 13th, 2026 8:48 PM
Author: hateful tripping legend tank

Youre in the belly of the beast now, a postmodern hellscape man!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50066610)



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Date: August 14th, 2026 1:45 PM
Author: beady-eyed hot doctorate

Karl needs to do all of his debates under that mug shot height chart

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Date: August 14th, 2026 3:52 PM
Author: bisexual soul-stirring coffee pot potus



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Date: August 14th, 2026 3:44 PM
Author: razzle cobalt den queen of the night

You guys all need to vote for karlstack btw. So he can make it to the next round and we can all laugh at his performance again

Do The Right Thing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5892420&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310764#50068248)