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Why do we even need a ceasefire? Can't we just, like, leave?
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 12:44 PM Author: yapping corner sound barrier iran poses little threat to us. and if they attacked us after we left, or even if they launched some major attack on israel, that would generate enough support to go forward with a war legitimately. why do we need to negotiate a ceasefire against a country that has no significant way to attack us if we don't have shit parked within striking distance of their borders? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848789&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310796#49762510) |
Date: March 23rd, 2026 12:47 PM Author: Wine toaster they will strike US bases and arab tankers with impunity until we are completely gone from the region. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848789&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310796#49762517) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 12:56 PM Author: yapping corner sound barrier attacking saudi arabia would draw them into the conflict though. right now they can just sit on the sidelines. and then we'd have a legitimate reason to reengage.
same thing with us bases. if we end our hostilities, and iran attacks us, we'd have a legitimate reason to reengage and there would be significant support for it. |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 12:56 PM Author: Lascivious spot none of this has anything to do with the united states at all (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848789&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310796#49762550) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 12:57 PM Author: cobalt hairraiser dingle berry menage as others have pointed out, if we leave iran will bomb the shit out of our bases and israel and draw us back in. they control when this ends - we do not, period.
this entire situation was such a clusterfuck |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 12:48 PM Author: Shaky property hissy fit because Iran would just keep firing at the gulf states and keep Hormuz closed until they feel the score is settled (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848789&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310796#49762518) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 12:50 PM Author: startled really tough guy brunch "let bygones be bygones" lmao seriously? you killed the ayatollah and bombed them relentlessly, they are well within their rights to settle scores as they see fit up to and including the destruction of israel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848789&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310796#49762523) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 12:57 PM Author: yapping corner sound barrier why is it "you" and not "us" man? i have supported attacks on iran just as much as you have. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848789&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310796#49762554) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 12:58 PM Author: Amber digit ratio set Because he's Jewish and so he doesn't see himself as an 'American' (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848789&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310796#49762557) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 12:59 PM Author: startled really tough guy brunch guy who put "we" in scare quotes in his response (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848789&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310796#49762564) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 12:51 PM Author: Amber digit ratio set Because if "we" (the "United States") just leave without a formal and "binding" ceasefire agreement, Israel will just keep attacking Iran and committing terrorism etc against them. And then Iran will keep attacking Israel (and the gulf states) in return, "obligating" "us" to come to their "defense." There can never be any genuine peace or cessation of hostilities
The whole situation is completely ridiculous because it's literally just Israel behaving in a completely psychopathic manner and they are only behaving that way because they know that the "United States" will always come to their "defense"
The situation is even MORE ridiculous now because Iran has demonstrated in practice that they can close the strait at any time, very easily, at will, and bring the entire global economy to its knees. They hold all of the leverage. If the other guy holds all the leverage, you have to try to restrain him via a treaty/binding agreement
This whole fiasco is truly absurd. Like you really could not "ask for" a better demonstration of the elected members of the US federal government being completely pathetic, shameless sellouts for a few shekels from Jewish lobbyists |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 12:53 PM Author: cobalt hairraiser dingle berry menage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848789&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310796#49762539) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 12:58 PM Author: metal out-of-control point mood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848789&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310796#49762560) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 12:59 PM Author: yapping corner sound barrier yeah i guess i'm coming from this from the POV that we should just leave middle eastern affairs to the middle east. which at this point is unrealistic because of how we've inserted ourselves into it for decades.
it just fucking sucks. |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 1:07 PM Author: cobalt hairraiser dingle berry menage your OP assumes that we turn the clock back to like 1939 and adopt an actually isolationist stance. we're unfortunately in a position where we have all these retarded alliances (and so have to attack if the gulf states get attacked), and our government is (now openly) occupied by israel.
it's a complete shitshow. the war hopefully illustrates to normies that our continued involvement in the ME is retarded as all fuck. |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 1:13 PM Author: yapping corner sound barrier it's not so much that, it's that if we did just end hostilities unilaterally, and iran attacked us or our allies in some significant way, then there'd be enough support for the war that we might be able to engage in a meaningful way and have a legitimate reason to do so.
what i discounted too much is that israel will just keep doing jew shit and provoke an attack because they have a fannie mae implicit guarantee we'll protect them. but if that happened there would likely be sufficient support for the war that we'd be able to engage in earnest.
the worst thing to do is what we've been doing for decades: half-hearted engagements. we should either enforce our authority in the region or leave it completely. |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 1:54 PM Author: cobalt hairraiser dingle berry menage "it's not so much that, it's that if we did just end hostilities unilaterally, and iran attacked us or our allies in some significant way, then there'd be enough support for the war that we might be able to engage in a meaningful way and have a legitimate reason to do so."
but mr art of the deal hasn't thought of that i don't think. the israel connection (the entire reason for the way) makes any of this impossible. they will absolutely not take a ceasefire and will kill it no matter what it takes. |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 1:57 PM Author: Lake internet-worthy casino Exactly. Even if Iran & Trump come to a ceasefire agreement, Israel will break it and keep the bombings going (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848789&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310796#49762764) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 2:03 PM Author: yapping corner sound barrier yeah i mean of course none of this *will* happen with trump and israel at the table. but it's not like a ceasefire does anything but justify a response if it's broken. likewise, if we simply left, and iran amplified hostilities, that would justify a response too.
i think the biggest reason trump is insisting on a ceasefire is so it's something he can use to claim we were successful. which is probably a big reason iran doesn't even want to speak with him. |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 12:59 PM Author: Provocative Hospital (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848789&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310796#49762569) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 1:03 PM Author: pearly orchestra pit roast beef Hmm...it's almost like someone should have warned us about entangling alliances. Wouldn't that have been swell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848789&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310796#49762586) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 1:05 PM Author: Lake internet-worthy casino cool it with the antisemitism, my dude (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848789&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310796#49762592) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 2:07 PM Author: brindle talking wrinkle house “Binding agreement”. is going to be bound by what, exactly? Full faith in the promises of the USG? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848789&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310796#49762786) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 2:09 PM Author: Unhinged library pozpig Trump's word, as evidenced by his devout Christian faith, his deep moral sense of honor and trustworthiness, and his long track record of honoring his agreements (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848789&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310796#49762796) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 2:12 PM Author: brindle talking wrinkle house The only way this thing is possible is something like Chinese nukes in Iran, controlled by Iran. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848789&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310796#49762808) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 3:08 PM Author: cobalt hairraiser dingle berry menage this is huge. given what we did to iran twice in a row (bad faith negotiations, only to just bomb them out of nowhere during), why the fuck is any foreign country ever going to believe the US again? at least over the next 3 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848789&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310796#49763027) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 3:29 PM Author: Amber digit ratio set Good question. That would be why I put "binding" in quotes in my poast (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848789&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310796#49763074) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 12:58 PM Author: Stirring Transparent Meetinghouse Azn anyways gotta go (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848789&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310796#49762558) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2026 3:25 PM Author: Wine toaster sorry about the ayatollah! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848789&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310796#49763056) |
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Date: March 25th, 2026 11:34 AM Author: Irate piazza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5848789&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310796#49767875) |